Formula 1 2014: Round 14 - Singapore Grand Prix

Not going for the conspiracy angle but Rosberg's managed to drive around an issue that Hamilton couldn't. It's not all down to pure luck.

wobbles

Deleted User wrote: »

Not going for the conspiracy angle but Rosberg's managed to drive around an issue that Hamilton couldn't. It's not all down to pure luck.

True but Rosbergs issue was intermittent which ment it did work (if only partially) some of the time. Hamiltons issues have been race enders.

wobbles

wobbles wrote: »

True but Rosbergs issue was intermittent which ment it did work (if only partially) some of the time. Hamiltons issues have been race enders.

Which one? Did Rosberg not have a similar issue in Canada to Hamilton but his driving style (and some might say caution) let him coax the car home to a podium?

Gillespy

Canada? Not really. Both cars lost MGU-K pretty much simultaneously. Hamilton retired because he lost his brakes due to a combination of running in Rosberg's wake and different brake bias settings. Rosberg was told to put his brake bias forward and he limped home.

These cars and this formula was supposed to expose Hamilton and it hasn't. It was fairytale stuff. Canada is too.

Rosberg's a gun qualifier, always has been. It's the only area he has anything like parity with Hamilton. Qualifying doesn't need tyre and fuel management and certainly doesn't involve overtaking and that is where Hamilton has excelled.

Gillespy

Gillespy wrote: »

Canada? Not really. Both cars lost MGU-K pretty much simultaneously. Hamilton retired because he lost his brakes due to a combination of running in Rosberg's wake and different brake bias settings. Rosberg was told to put his brake bias forward and he limped home.

These cars and this formula was supposed to expose Hamilton and it hasn't. It was fairytale stuff. Canada is too.

Rosberg's a gun qualifier, always has been. It's the only area he has anything like parity with Hamilton. Qualifying doesn't need tyre and fuel management and certainly doesn't involve overtaking and that is where Hamilton has excelled.

Yet Rosberg is a couple points behind in the championship, near parity no? :P

Myrddin

Deleted User wrote: »

Not going for the conspiracy angle but Rosberg's managed to drive around an issue that Hamilton couldn't. It's not all down to pure luck.

I suppose benefiting from a radio instruction to move his bias after Lewis' failed helped him there. But yeah, sometimes luck doesn't play any part. Lewis' fluffed it twice in quali I think, the Red Bull Ring & somewhere else. But on the whole, Hamilton has won nearly double the races Rosberg has and is barely in the lead, reliability against Hamilton has hugely benefited Rosberg, not to mention the Spa incident where Lewis lost a ton of points & Nico got away almost unscathed.

Myrddin

Myrddin wrote: »

I suppose benefiting from a radio instruction to move his bias after Lewis' failed helped him there. But yeah, sometimes luck doesn't play any part. Lewis' fluffed it twice in quali I think, the Red Bull Ring & somewhere else. But on the whole, Hamilton has won nearly double the races Rosberg has and is barely in the lead, reliability against Hamilton has hugely benefited Rosberg, not to mention the Spa incident where Lewis lost a ton of points & Nico got away almost unscathed.

Was there not a message to Hamilton as well? Hamilton's style apparently contributed to the issue I thought. The lost points in Belgium weren't down to reliability. :P

Myrddin

Deleted User wrote: »

Was there not a message to Hamilton as well? Hamilton's style apparently contributed to the issue I thought. The lost points in Belgium weren't down to reliability. :P

From memory, the radio instruction came after Lewis's disc exploded. The points lost at Spa were as a result of reliability...reliable driving from a car behind :P

Oblomov

Mercedes AMG have tweeted back, just stating steering column asked the question.. Column wiring loom? Contacts on steering column? Electric pwr steering? Too ambiguous.

What do I think?

The attention to detail, the constant quality control at different stages with all components. For wiring looms, the initial planning colour coding and tpye and ease of loom connectors. Racing cars for the amount of vibration have electronics just below military standard. Robust, shock resistant and durable. Continuity and resistance checks on all wiring looms before supplying to the assembly guys. Then, checks before any complements fitted. The lasy thing anyone wants is a wiring loom fault to take out an ECU or contribute to an ongoing fault. The mapping of units, Engine, transmission, steering, brakes, more so now that an all electronic drive by wire system is in place.

The data checker systems and cards, all allow a constant check on performance electronics.

But, suddenly, between Quali and race a "foreign substance used in pre event servicing" causes a major malfunction.

it defies logic. From a performing car, suddenly to be afflicted with ... Blah blah... after three practice sessions a large number of laps, to be affected by " Pre Event" ..... Really?

As the car returns from a practice session, the computers are plugged in and performance data downloaded. Engine mapping details, all the systems are checked, then the adjustments, from all the checks a " re event service" item remains undetected.

Really?

The lovely thing about the internet, it allows all types of research.. all.. and anyone into accounting ot company structure, finance and business acumen can easily run checks on all sorts.

now, if I say, a company has £80 cash at hand, £102k in declared assess and with a liability of £284k... now, that would not be a safe and secure company... when the directors are seen to have started and then dissolved a large number of companies, all from the same address and with the same directors across a nine year period... one company moving, dispersing a large amount of cash before dissolving, Hmmm.

With over 60% of invoices running into over 90 day payments... Hmmm, the solvency and management must be questioned.... but ... What has this to do with the price of Mars bars? just a reflection on the people involved in Motor Racing.

then, there's the application to the local council for a search for footpaths on a certain property.

Strange the things the internet reveals.

not all of them good.

Oblomov

Subsequent tweet, refered me to facebook page and folloeing statement.


MERCEDES AMG PETRONAS
Yesterday
UPDATE: The #SingaporeGP gremlin that forced Nico Rosberg to retire in the race (explained)…

• Forensic analysis has revealed that the steering column electronic circuits were contaminated with a foreign substance.
• This occurred during our normal pre-event servicing procedures at the factory and the substance found is used as part of our standard servicing procedure.
• The relevant design has been in use since 2008 (6 seasons) without experiencing any fault.
• The contamination was not visible and did not manifest itself until Sunday as Nico went to the grid, although the steering column was used throughout the weekend and the car fired up as normal on Sunday morning.
• The result was an intermittent short circuit in these circuits.
• As a consequence Nico could not command the clutch nor change engine settings.
• The car was ultimately retired because it was unsafe to execute a pit stop without command of the clutch.
• Fresh parts will be used at the forthcoming races.
• The team has been working intensively on reliability and quality processes during 2013 and 2014 in order to improve our performance in this area and these efforts will continue at the same intensive level over the coming months

Myrddin

Oblomov wrote: »

Really?

The lovely thing about the internet, it allows all types of research.. all.. and anyone into accounting ot company structure, finance and business acumen can easily run checks on all sorts.

now, if I say, a company has £80 cash at hand, £102k in declared assess and with a liability of £284k... now, that would not be a safe and secure company... when the directors are seen to have started and then dissolved a large number of companies, all from the same address and with the same directors across a nine year period... one company moving, dispersing a large amount of cash before dissolving, Hmmm.

With over 60% of invoices running into over 90 day payments... Hmmm, the solvency and management must be questioned.... but ... What has this to do with the price of Mars bars? just a reflection on the people involved in Motor Racing.

then, there's the application to the local council for a search for footpaths on a certain property.

Strange the things the internet reveals.

not all of them good.

You're still not saying what you think happened. You're hinting that you don't believe the official explanation, but you're not saying what you think happened (that I can make out anyway). At best, by your logic, no F1 car should ever have a reliability problem

ScumLord

Oblomov wrote: »

..... Really?

Yes, failures happen. Even on the most robust systems. Even military equipment fails. Consumer technology actually has a bit of an advantage over bespoke client technology like F1 or military. In the consumer market they see failure every day, they build with failure in mind and are redesigning products every year so can deal with failure quickly.

In F1 and the military they try to avoid failure and because they're dealing with smaller runs failures are rare but they are inevitable and costly to deal with when they do happen. In the consumer market they might have a few hundred failed parts to study but in F1 they may only have one failure and have to figure it out based on little evidence.