Recommend me a great 9/11 online documentary. What is the very best 9/11 documentary?

IvaBigWun

Everything from controlled demolitions, to No Plane theories, to WTC 7, to the Pentagon, to actors being on the news reports that day. Im open to all suggestions.

Ive seen almost all the main ones so Im looking for ones that maybe have slipped under the radar. No "Loose Change" suggestions please. Its an insult to the whole thing.

What is the very best 9/11 documentary in your opinion?

DamagedTrax

this is my favourite. sticks to the political side of the conspiracy mostly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIhdReD6MAo

Laois_Man

While I don't necessarily believe all the 9/11 conspiracy theories, I'm fascinated by those theories. I watched Loose Change a few years ago for the craic - But a hugely interesting person is mechanical engineer Dr. Judy Wood.

Loads of stuff I have never ever heard before. Especially the stuff about the burnt out cars with no engines, the Earth that was brought into GroundZero, the odd rusting of buildings and metal, the John Hutchinson experiments, the nearby category 3 hurricane Erin on 9/11, the similar traits on the day of The Oklahoma City bombing

She has a really interesting comparison on the richter scale recordings from 9/11 and that of demolitions of buildings elsewhere. The vanishing/dustifying poles, analysis of the speed/behavior of dust, flipping over of cars, people who were carried down the street by the dust cloud

Part 1

Part 2

Brown Bomber

Taking the direction of the 911 kook movement and pulling it back to reality naming who actually did what, not in vague terms like Illuminati but real people with real names and documents. A Neocon Cabal with its roots in ISRAEL created a false flag attack, a cover up of the anthrax attacks and 911 van bombs, followed by war propaganda, known forgeries, pre-written lies about WMDs, etc which led to a war in Iraq that has now killed over a million people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP5JfKPoIl4

CountyHurler

IvaBigWun wrote: »

No "Loose Change" suggestions please. Its an insult to the whole thing.

I wouldnt go that far.. There was a lot of merit in some of the arguments that they made, without the huge backing or expertise that 9/11 Architects and Engineers For Truth have... The documentary was very slick, though I kind of wished they had indulged a bit less in conjecture, focused on the facts and cut some of the sections right out... particularly the stuff about the Delta 1989 flight landing and the voice calls being morphed (which were cut out of later editions).

My favourite documentary is the one that I posted on my other thread..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fUT7XgLiTY

Very clear, fact based, very reasoned, very credible.. And can in no way be subjected to the "Jim Corr, tin foil hat wearing" accusations that are usually fired around when anybody mentions 9/11 truth.

Hoop66

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Taking the direction of the 911 kook movement and pulling it back to reality naming who actually did what, not in vague terms like Illuminati but real people with real names and documents. A Neocon Cabal with its roots in ISRAEL created a false flag attack, a cover up of the anthrax attacks and 911 van bombs, followed by war propaganda, known forgeries, pre-written lies about WMDs, etc which led to a war in Iraq that has now killed over a million people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP5JfKPoIl4

Well, there's some interesting information in there, but there's also a lot of nonsense and conjecture.


Omar Torrijos was killed by the US Government, Manuel Noriega says so.

SummerSummit

Loose change

tafkach

I generally search every few months to see if there are any new documentaries about 911. Unfortunately there are now 100s of documentaries with the same content... You know the ones... clips of Dan Rather's comment of "you have to get in at the under infrastructure (to bring a building down)", Lucky Larry saying "we made the decision to pull it", Donals Rumsfeld saying "We can not account for 3 trillion dollars" etc etc etc ... but very few offer anything new.

However, I really like this documentary... It kind of follows very similar lines as my own investigations/conclusions about 9/11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3q8zYRypoY

Hulk Hands

This is basically the standard one nowadays isnt it? The only one I ever hear being seriously discussed anyway. Goes over every inch of the story, the debunkers theories and why theyre wrong etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M

Hector Bellend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3xgjxJwedA

There's plenty of information in this.

There are a couple of other that focus on the financial side. I'll post links later.

Hector Bellend

Not a movie but this is brilliant.

Dr Crayfish

B

Dohnjoe

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Not a movie but this is brilliant.

FYI 2.3 trillion dollars never went missing, Rumsfeld was complaining that the DOD systems were out-of-date and needed upgrading.

"The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible."

TLDR: The cash was not missing, just improperly tracked, like an aging company that's running DOS accounts software on one system and Windows 95 accounts software on another.

Hector Bellend

Dohnjoe

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Flicked through this - 2 hours of (much the same) lies, debunked claims/sub-theories, disinformation, deliberate distortions, selective "evidence" and deceptive/cherry-picked. Plenty of RT clips in there, aka the conspiracy channel

But half a mill views and DVD sales - lucrative business

Cheerful Spring

If you want to know the truth read this book as you will not find this information on a Conspiracy site or Skeptic site.

Atta had a German friend, who was wealthy, a pilot and he spends time with him at parties. Atta girlfriend revealed Atta was a drug taker he took cocaine, eat pork, smoked cigarettes and partied with white friends. He was not religious in the sense of a Muslim extremist this is a myth. Atta friend Wolfgang Bohringer had ties to International crime syndicates and the private CIA the secret face of the intelligence agency. The FBI searched for this man and found him in 2006 ( read the segment of the book provided to find out where) When captured he declared you can't arrest me I am CIA and later that day he was released.Wolfgang disappeared in 2006 and has not surfaced since. Wolfgang Bohringer is a link to who was behind the attacks that day and why!

https://books.google.ie/books?id=odUS35ZWRH4C&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=Wolfgang+Bohringer&source=bl&ots=eeMN0oCxUJ&sig=NfDSEdH_b0AU3A97TMHx6Aq4k3I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMgeSfnMfZAhXLjqQKHWmPAq0Q6AEIiQEwFQ#v=onepage&q=Wolfgang%20Bohringer&f=false

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

If you want to know the truth read this book as you will not find this information on a Conspiracy site or Skeptic site.

Atta had a German friend, who was wealthy, a pilot and he spends time with him at parties. Atta girlfriend revealed Atta was a drug taker he took cocaine, eat pork, smoked cigarettes and partied with white friends. He was not religious in the sense of a Muslim extremist this is a myth. Atta friend Wolfgang Bohringer had ties to International crime syndicates and the private CIA the secret face of the intelligence agency. The FBI searched for this man and found him in 2006 ( read the segment of the book provided to find out where) When captured he declared you can't arrest me I am CIA and later that day he was released.Wolfgang disappeared in 2006 and has not surfaced since. Wolfgang Bohringer is a link to who was behind the attacks that day and why!

https://books.google.ie/books?id=odUS35ZWRH4C&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=Wolfgang+Bohringer&source=bl&ots=eeMN0oCxUJ&sig=NfDSEdH_b0AU3A97TMHx6Aq4k3I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiMgeSfnMfZAhXLjqQKHWmPAq0Q6AEIiQEwFQ#v=onepage&q=Wolfgang%20Bohringer&f=false

These claims have been around for ages.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

These claims have been around for ages.

The book is more detailed about the investigation and builds a compelling case who was behind 9/11. The fact the FBI backed off from the arrest means the people who are controlling the official narrative are very powerful and will threaten people to keep quiet.

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The book is more detailed about the investigation and builds a compelling case who was behind 9/11. The fact the FBI backed off from the arrest means the people who are controlling the official narrative are very powerful and will threaten people to keep quiet.

Well if it's in a book it must be true...
I better go off and buy it cause the author must be completely trustworthy and has no ulterior motive...

Did you do anything to confirm the veracity of any of those claims?

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Well if it's in a book it must be true...
I better go off and buy it cause the author must be completely trustworthy and has no ulterior motive...

Did you do anything to confirm the veracity of any of those claims?

He provides sources for all his allegations and people on the record at intelligence agencies. Atta girlfriend of 8 months has appeared on video confirming he took cocaine and smoked and eat pork. Strange behaviour for a devout Muslim!

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

He provides sources for all his allegations and people on the record at intelligence agencies. Atta girlfriend of 8 months has appeared on video confirming he took cocaine and smoked and eat pork. Strange behaviour for a devout Muslim!

Cool, can you provide these sources?
Did you check into them?

And what did you do to check this lady's claims?
How do you propose that these claims somehow point towards a conspiracy?

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Cool, can you provide these sources?
Did you check into them?

And what did you do to check this lady's claims?
How do you propose that these claims somehow point towards a conspiracy?

Why don't you read the book segments I provided as there know why you could have read it in entirety in a few minutes?

A wealthy German who owned a 47-foot Yacht was hanging around a Muslim who was allegedly trained by Al Qaeda, nothing suspicious about that all. Even the FBI searched for him as a person of interest in 2006.. Where did he meet Wolfgang Bohringer? When he was arrested he had the connections to be released the very same day. He just vanished into thin air after that nothing suspicious again about that.?

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Why don't you read the book segments I provided as there know why you could have read it in entirety in a few minutes?

Because the segment is not accessible via the link you've provided.
And now that you've dodged the question about what you've done to verify the claims (ie. you've done nothing of the sort) I'm not seeing a convincing reason for wasting my time on it.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

A wealthy German who owned a 47-foot Yacht was hanging around a Muslim who was allegedly trained by Al Qaeda, nothing suspicious about that all. Even the FBI searched for him as a person of interest in 2006.. Where did he meet Wolfgang Bohringer? When he was arrested he had the connections to be released the very same day. He just vanished into thin air after that nothing suspicious again about that.?

So assuming that all of that is accurate: how does it fit into your conspiracy theory? How does 9/11 being an inside job explain those "facts"?
Why was a wealthy German involved? Why was he buddies with one of the hijackers. Why did they pick a guy who's apparently suspiciously bad at being a Muslim, and not someone more devout or just less obvious?
Why, if there was a conspiracy, would the FBI be looking for this German guy? Why arrest him? Why let him go? Why let any of that information out?
Why would the guy vanish if it's such a dead give away?

What explanation does your book give for these questions? If it doesn't or can't answer them convincingly, then it's not a very good book...

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Because the segment is not accessible via the link you've provided.
And now that you've dodged the question about what you've done to verify the claims (ie. you've done nothing of the sort) I'm not seeing a convincing reason for wasting my time on it.


So assuming that all of that is accurate: how does it fit into your conspiracy theory? How does 9/11 being an inside job explain those "facts"?
Why was a wealthy German involved? Why was he buddies with one of the hijackers. Why did they pick a guy who's apparently suspiciously bad at being a Muslim, and not someone more devout or just less obvious?
Why, if there was a conspiracy, would the FBI be looking for this German guy? Why arrest him? Why let him go? Why let any of that information out?
Why would the guy vanish if it's such a dead give away?

What explanation does your book give for these questions? If it doesn't or can't answer them convincingly, then it's not a very good book...

What have you done to verify 9/11 official narrative? I don't know why you can't access the link?

The problem with the official narrative Atta is a devout Muslim who conspired with others to kill 3,000 people. The person who knew him best said he drank, smoked, eat pork and snorted cocaine regularly. Does this fit with the official version of events? Why would his girlfriend claim he snorted cocaine if he had not? Even the FBI believed her story as she told them he was friends with a wealthy German and they looked into it and confirmed it. Investigative journalists also confirmed this later after talking to her. When arrested Wolfgang claimed to be CIA according to arresting officers who found him and later that day according to multiple sources he was released and just vanished into thin air not seen since 2006..

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

What have you done to verify 9/11 official narrative? I don't know why you can't access the link?

The problem with the official narrative Atta is a devout Muslim who conspired with others to kill 3,000 people. The person who knew him best said he drank, smoked, eat pork and snorted cocaine regularly. Does this fit with the official version of events? Why would his girlfriend claim he snorted cocaine if he had not? Even the FBI believed her story as she told them he was friends with a wealthy German and they looked into it and confirmed it. Investigative journalists also confirmed this later after talking to her. When arrested Wolfgang claimed to be CIA according to arresting officers who found him and later that day according to multiple sources he was released and just vanished into thin air not seen since 2006..

Notice how you've answered zero of my questions?
You have not done anything to verify anything claimed in the book, then accept those claims as proof of the conspiracy even though there's nothing about them actually makes sense in a conspiracy.

Imma pass on this book.

Cheerful Spring

King Mob wrote: »

Notice how you've answered zero of my questions?
You have not done anything to verify anything claimed in the book, then accept those claims as proof of the conspiracy even though there's nothing about them actually makes sense in a conspiracy.

Imma pass on this book.

It's after bedtime and I have got the time to answer every question. I not here to convince you personally its waste of time. Find the link and read the information yourself or don't. Plenty of evidence exists that shows the official narrative 9/11 is wrong.

Cheerful Spring

By the way, most of your questions are silly anyhow hypothetical nonsense. I try to answer some of it though for you. It established fact Wolfgang Bohringer was a friend of Atta. He was under the radar and unknown person least in connection with 9/11 till 2006. More facts have come out since then, but his still a mysterious figure today. I don't think the people involved in the plot thought this connection to Atta would be exposed. Once he was found he disappeared not seen or heard from since his arrest in 2006.

Does Atta have to be Devout Muslim to hijack a plane? 9/11 official narrative people push that on people. FBI people may not have known about his connections to the CIA he was "person of interest" after arresting him they lost control of the events and Wolfgang had friends who got him released.

This answer most of your questions?

royalflush2003

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Everything from controlled demolitions, to No Plane theories, to WTC 7, to the Pentagon, to actors being on the news reports that day. Im open to all suggestions.

Ive seen almost all the main ones so Im looking for ones that maybe have slipped under the radar. No "Loose Change" suggestions please. Its an insult to the whole thing.

What is the very best 9/11 documentary in your opinion?

Send a email to George bush / he has the best documentary

Cheerful Spring

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This answer most of your questions?

Not in the slightest.

anthonyjmaher

Just to bring it back on topic, does anybody know of any other new 9/11 documentaries in the last year? Haven't seen anything new on the subject, I think it may be exhausted at this stage.

Dohnjoe

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

Just to bring it back on topic, does anybody know of any other new 9/11 documentaries in the last year? Haven't seen anything new on the subject, I think it may be exhausted at this stage.

Joe Rogan from a few months ago

Cheerful Spring

Welcome to Terrorland 9/11 is good. Investigate journalist talks with Americans in Florida who saw Atta and other terrorists just before 9/11... A lot of what you hear contradictory to FBI findings of the Terrorists final days.

Cheerful Spring

A new one out from the Corbett report. Watch this came out just yesterday excellent research done by this guy lot of new stuff I had even known till today myself. How they get away with this is beyond me? A guy on Youtube can dismantle this easily, but no journalist in official media can?

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

A new one out from the Corbett report. Watch this came out just yesterday excellent research done by this guy lot of new stuff I had even known till today myself. How they get away with this is beyond me? A guy on Youtube can dismantle this easily, but no journalist in official media can?

To save someone from watching this type of nonsense

To sum up after watching a few minutes. It's another clickbait video aimed at the Alex Jones style audience that tries to draw a "sinister" link between a terrorist attack, e.g. 7/7 and coincidental terrorist drills that were happening on the same day

10 minutes in and it uses the exact same cookie-cutter crap that every conspiracy video does of suggesting something sinister without explaining a single detail or giving a real-world example

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

To save someone from watching this type of nonsense

To sum up after watching a few minutes. It's another clickbait video aimed at the Alex Jones style audience that tries to draw a "sinister" link between a terrorist attack, e.g. 7/7 and coincidental terrorist drills that were happening on the same day

10 minutes in and it uses the exact same cookie-cutter crap that every conspiracy video does of suggesting something sinister without explaining a single detail or giving a real-world example

Why don't you watch it all and then have an opinion? You stopped it too early because the best stuff happens in the middle and the end.

Cheerful Spring

Interesting new thread on Metabunk. Some French guy noticed a different fire on 9/11 videos. Really weird looks like smoking rising from another building far away from the Twin Towers?

https://www.metabunk.org/goldman-sachs-plume-of-smoke-during-wtc2s-collapse.t9977/


Video here.

Cheerful Spring

Metabunk has also a new thread about the molten steel image AE911Truth has on its site. Mike found a new image and for some reason, Mike West thinks that's just burning paper?




Mike new image.


You find better-enlarged pictures on his site.

Yes, there is burned paper but looks like steel box column on fire. The slit hole and colour of the metal made me think that?

https://www.metabunk.org/a-molten-metal-photo-%E2%80%94-just-paper.t9982/

My best guess right now it's this column and it has got bent and mangled?

Dohnjoe

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Why don't you watch it all and then have an opinion? You stopped it too early because the best stuff happens in the middle and the end.

It's horse****. It starts with a narrative, then selectively uses information (and disinformation) to support that narrative, discards anything that doesn't

If you were so inclined you could make a similar video highlighting the suspiciously high number of *spins wheel* "ginger" people at terrorist attacks (the narrative) - simply by adding in all the footage with gingers (the evidence), and leaving out all the footage without (context)

The only reason these types of videos exist is because a market exists for them

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's horse****. It starts with a narrative, then selectively uses information (and disinformation) to support that narrative, discards anything that doesn't

If you were so inclined you could make a similar video highlighting the suspiciously high number of *spins wheel* "ginger" people at terrorist attacks (the narrative) - simply by adding in all the footage with gingers (the evidence), and leaving out all the footage without (context)

The only reason these types of videos exist is because a market exists for them

Well, I do agree his supporting a narrative that you disagree with. Still, you have ignored the evidence presented in this video.

Wargames continued on till past 10am nearly 2 hours after the attacks. Corbett showed that NEADS (Northeast Air Defense Sector) was unable to verify what planes were real-world planes from planes involved in the wargame exercise! Fake blips were appearing on their screens leading to confusion and mistakes. The generals in charge on 9/11 told the 9/11 commission the wargames helped them respond faster to the 9/11 attacks? Corbett showed that was a lie and you can prove that by just by listening to Norad tapes that were released. Corbett also showed video testimonies by the generals to the 9/11 commission were they were confronted about their lying. They made false statements about what happened that day.

Cheerful Spring

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Joe Rogan from a few months ago

What Joe Rogan said there is untrue. We know where the collapse started that was never the issue.

NIST formulated a theory based on one girder coming off its seat at column 79 on the east side and the concrete and floors collapsing beneath. Then the top floors on the east side started collapsing and the rest of the floors in the middle started dropping.

If it was that easy all you need to do is controlled demolition one column and the entire building falls down because that basically what NIST is claiming occurred.

Cheerful Spring

Mike West is also lying they do not sync up the collapse of WTC7 and NIST model of WTC7 collapse.


Skeptics they are not sceptical they are debunkers.


But the ignore when the Penthouse falls the NIST model shows a time of 20 seconds for the floors to collapse inside the building and right corner west corner start moving down.

The actual collapse videos show this all occurred in 6 to 7 seconds a third of the time NIST claims.

It very easy to debunk their time just compare their model to the actual collapse!

You count the time the Penthouse collapsed and for floors to collapse and right wall to start moving down. NIST has a 20-second timer.

Well, in reality, it took only 6 to 7 seconds for the right wall to start moving.

Cheerful Spring

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Regarding the twin tower. The antenna falls first in the building you clearly see that in this video.


NIST claims it was floor trusses that fell first dragging in the perimeter walls. That not what the actual video is showing. The antenna sits on the central core called the hat truss that collapses down, then the floors pull in the walls, as it falling

This image explains it better for the layperson

The floors are level before the collapse. When the central core starts to collapse, the floors that are attached to the central core hat truss started to get pulled in that bowing in. They pull in the walls also.



That's what you seeing is the bowing in of perimeter walls and box columns at 1 minute 20 seconds

Cheerful Spring

I have also have isolated the loud noise that NIST claims nobody hears or was picked up on audio.

I made an MP3 of the loud bang. This was a noise picked up just a second before the Penthouse fell in

https://vocaroo.com/i/s04ad7QJTj8g

Cheerful Spring

Found a new video of demolition with just one loud bang heard. The building resembles WTC7 in appearance except it's not as long width wise. Why this video is important Skeptics have always claimed you have to see squibs and hear multiples of explosions going off across the building. When in fact it might only take 1 or 2 bangs to initiate collapse.

You compare to WTC7

Dohnjoe

A reminder to people, these are videos made by conspiracy theorists for the gullible

They contain a lot of distortion, disinformation, outright lies, manipulation of information and so on - anything to trick the viewer into subscribing to the conspiracy (that they never explain)

Dr. Bre

The problem with the conspiracies is they try to out do each other . The official story doesn’t match up tho. Probably US Israel Saudi involvement in 9/11

Dohnjoe

Dr. Bre wrote: »

The problem with the conspiracies is they try to out do each other . The official story doesn’t match up tho. Probably US Israel Saudi involvement in 9/11

You admit the videos are contradictory, but their message has convinced you of something you can't even articulate

Dohnjoe

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You admit the videos are contradictory, but their message has convinced you of something you can't even articulate

Basic outline of every conspiracy.
"We don't know something, therefore I know exactly what it is."

Hector Bellend

Dohnjoe wrote: »

FYI 2.3 trillion dollars never went missing, Rumsfeld was complaining that the DOD systems were out-of-date and needed upgrading.

"The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible."

TLDR: The cash was not missing, just improperly tracked, like an aging company that's running DOS accounts software on one system and Windows 95 accounts software on another.

As a matter of interest have they found any of this money in the intervening or has the deficit increased?

Dohnjoe

Hector Bellend wrote: »

As a matter of interest have they found any of this money in the intervening or has the deficit increased?

Well, as mentioned the money was never missing. It's accounted for. It's just that the accounting was done over numerous systems (some fairly antiquated) instead of one, which fails an audit and qualifies as not "properly accounted for"

Dunno if they have upgraded their systems in the meanwhile

It's a good example of how context changes a story entirely

Hector Bellend

Dohnjoe wrote: »

A reminder to people, these are videos made by conspiracy theorists for the gullible

They contain a lot of distortion, disinformation, outright lies, manipulation of information and so on - anything to trick the viewer into subscribing to the conspiracy (that they never explain)

But the 19 hijackers with box cutters story is perfectly believable.

My bad.