Which fuel provider do you use? (Diesel)

Mackas_view

Hi was wondering what if any pumps do people tend to stick to when putting fuel in their cars? With the loyalty cards becoming more popular, is there any one people think are worth using. Ive heard stories of one major fuel provider having dirty diesel and that's why it's always few cents cheaper that the rest ?

Thoughts and comments appreciated :-)

CiniO

In my area I always use the local TOP station for a diesel. I get about 0.5 l/100km better results from them than from anyone else in the region.

Other car is petrol, and it doesn't make a difference. IMO petrol is the same everywhere.

Mackas_view

CiniO wrote: »

In my area I always use the local TOP station for a diesel. I get about 0.5 l/100km better results from them than from anyone else in the region.

Other car is petrol, and it doesn't make a difference. IMO petrol is the same everywhere.

I find topaz to be fairly good. Apple green give me a lot less miles for the same price. Could be just my car. I'm not sure about Top.

Noccy_Mondy

I just use the one(s) that are near me, or any ones that I'm passing if on a longer journey. As long as they are one of the well known brands, I don't really pass too much heed. Don't go near tesco though, something doesn't sit right with me with them.....

K.Flyer

Northumberland Rd. Service Station, Dublin 4.
Diesel is 139.9 and the milage is much the same as usual (mainly city driving).

TireeTerror

Noccy_Mondy wrote: »

I just use the one(s) that are near me, or any ones that I'm passing if on a longer journey. As long as they are one of the well known brands, I don't really pass too much heed. Don't go near tesco though, something doesn't sit right with me with them.....

What doesn't sit right. Care to elaborate?

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

TireeTerror wrote: »

What doesn't sit right. Care to elaborate?

Well... i dont but tesco toilet paper because it tears up when wiping

So stick to the main brands.

But i tend to stick to maxol or topaz here or if i ever get a chance and happen to be in the UK then its all BP Ultimate !

old_aussie

I always use Shell at Albion Park Rail

djimi

I tend to use Maxol but thats more out of circumstance than it is loyalty (ie I live near one and pass another on my way to work).

Im not really all that picky, however will tend to avoid unbranded ones if at all possible. Have had a couple of bad experiences with small local stations that werent main brands; I dont know if it was dirty petrol or watered down or what it was but the car felt absolutely awful until I filled up in a station that I knew again.

murphyebass

I use a Topaz most weeks becuase its near where I work and it has a butcher beside it that I frequent. :-)

Ded_Zebra

It is easier to name the ones I don't use. I don't use topaz or especially applegreen and Tesco where I can avoid them and I don't use non-brand places either. Everything else is grand.

irishbuzz

K.Flyer wrote: »

Northumberland Rd. Service Station, Dublin 4.
Diesel is 139.9 and the milage is much the same as usual (mainly city driving).

Where on Northumberland Rd. is that?

Bpmull

Topaz 90% of the time esso 10% of the time. I literally use no other brands outside them two. The car would want to be about to stop on the road before I'd buy anything else in. As for using tesco fuel I'd rather run out.

Skuxx

Does all diesel in Ireland not come from the same refinery in cork and therefore is all the same??

djimi

Bpmull wrote: »

Topaz 90% of the time esso 10% of the time. I literally use no other brands outside them two. The car would want to be about to stop on the road before I'd buy anything else in. As for using tesco fuel I'd rather run out.

Why out of curiosity? What's wrong with maxol?

Mackas_view

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

It is easier to name the ones I don't use. I don't use topaz or especially applegreen and Tesco where I can avoid them and I don't use non-brand places either. Everything else is grand.

Why don't you use those big three and why especially Apple green?

Bpmull

djimi wrote: »

Why out of curiosity? What's wrong with maxol?

I've always just got into using them two. I do know someone that has tested samples in the lab and said topaz esso were the best quality diesel and I think maxol may have been up there too make what you want of that and it's not the sole reason I use them. But I've always been getting the best mpg out of them two. There is no maxol garage near me either. Probably just habit at this stage but I would still avoid tesco, applegreen and top would be the main ones which I just wouldn't touch. Again that's just my choice some people may find them great.

Zubeneschamali

Skuxx wrote: »

Does all diesel in Ireland not come from the same refinery in cork and therefore is all the same??

No, some of it is washed green diesel, very bad for your engine.

But I don't think Tesco would use washed diesel, and I've only heard one suggestion I can recall that an applegreen outlet did.

I use Applegreen all the time, I think the extra miles/tank is in people's heads. If there were cost-effective additives that made that much difference per tank, they'd all add them.

Gosub

Skuxx wrote: »

Does all diesel in Ireland not come from the same refinery in cork and therefore is all the same??

People seem to think that brands have their own refinery. The only difference between stations is the way the fuel is handled after delivery, and if the tanks are kept clean, especially water in the tanks.

Watering down the petrol?? :D

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Depends on the car tbh.
When I'm running my daily hack, especially my straight diesel Fiesta or Carina, then whatever is the cheapest diesel place gets thrown in.
For other cars especially anything modern or JDM, I'd avoid the likes of applegreen, tesco, unbranded stations, EMO and anything of that ilk. Never know what you're getting. Used to have the topaz loyalty card until they changed to weekly billing and removed the set price.

K.Flyer

irishbuzz wrote: »

Where on Northumberland Rd. is that?

From Baggot St bridge towards Ballsbridge, down Pembroke Rd, at the end of Pembroke Rd turn left onto Northumberland Rd and it is immediately on your left beside the Israeli Embassy and Pembroke Lane.

Ded_Zebra

Mackas_view wrote: »

Why don't you use those big three and why especially Apple green?

Tesco I just don't like the idea of. I would't buy food there if I could go somewhere else (Irish in particular)

My old car used to run really crap on Topaz petrol so out of habit I still avoid it.

My current car has got poor MPG on the only 2 tanks I've bought at Applegreen and a lot of people seem to think that its bad.

pa990

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Depends on the car tbh.
When I'm running my daily hack, especially my straight diesel Fiesta or Carina, then whatever is the cheapest diesel place gets thrown in.
For other cars especially anything modern or JDM, I'd avoid the likes of applegreen, tesco, unbranded stations, EMO and anything of that ilk. Never know what you're getting. Used to have the topaz loyalty card until they changed to weekly billing and removed the set price.

If you look at their spec sheets for GreatGas, they say EMO at the top of the page.

Before they had 3 different spec sheets for each fuel, depending on where it was coming from.
ConPhilips (whitegate cork)
Dublin port
And whatever place/ port is up north.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

pa990 wrote: »

If you look at their spec sheets for GreatGas, they say EMO at the top of the page.

Before they had 3 different spec sheets for each fuel, depending on where it was coming from.
ConPhilips (whitegate cork)
Dublin port
And whatever place/ port is up north.

GreatGas - that;s another I'd avoid in anything other than the likes of a sh!tty carina!

368100

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

It is easier to name the ones I don't use. I don't use topaz or especially applegreen and Tesco where I can avoid them and I don't use non-brand places either. Everything else is grand.

That's funny, I always seem to get more out of a rank at applegreen than the rest, especially texaco.

TJJP

Mostly Esso for me, seem to get slightly better mileage and response from it. I avoid Applegreen, and Topaz as I find it sluggish. I also avoid some of the more unusual locations mentioned on here as at one in particular I have seen the diesel being delivered from an MN registered unbranded tanker at 2.00 am (have a photo, must try and locate it). I don't reckon it worth saving the one or two cent for the risk involved. Taxis seem to love it though.

Noccy_Mondy

TireeTerror wrote: »

What doesn't sit right. Care to elaborate?

It's just that the fact that they are able to sell their fuel at a usually cheaper cost than most other retailers raises eyebrows with me, and the ability to reduce it further if you spend X amount in the shop. Judging by their other own brand products, and their crap quality, I'd rather to avoid potentially putting something similar into my vehicles.

dgt

CiniO wrote: »

Other car is petrol, and it doesn't make a difference. IMO petrol is the same everywhere.

If you believe that, you are in for a nasty shock. Certainly in NI quality doesn't differ. Not down here

quadrifoglio verde

I filled up a certain posters 520i with petrol from apple green as he was giving me a lift halfway across the country. On the way back, the bp ultimate was put in, noticeable difference instantly.

Now maybe it might have been in our heads, but even if it is, feck it.
All of my cars have seemed to run rougher on apple green or tesco.

SpannerMonkey

Noccy_Mondy wrote: »

I just use the one(s) that are near me, or any ones that I'm passing if on a longer journey. As long as they are one of the well known brands, I don't really pass too much heed. Don't go near tesco though, something doesn't sit right with me with them.....

are tesco not supplied by topaz ? ive often seen topaz fuel tankers filling the tanks at my local tescos .
i tend to use Texaco or Maxol . just out of habit . but generally i use all the mainstream brands , i only avoid local no name brands

punisher5112

SpannerMonkey wrote: »

are tesco not supplied by topaz ? ive often seen topaz fuel tankers filling the tanks at my local tescos .
i tend to use Texaco or Maxol . just out of habit . but generally i use all the mainstream brands , i only avoid local no name brands

That would be Reynolds logistics that supplies them and just use tanks for any job if running short

If you see these little stations that were poping up in lanes and tyre places these were dodgy as hell.

I would be like most and prefer using good brand names so we are to believe.

One in Enniskerry which was closed for the last couple of years was a good brand and he was filling with dodgy diesel and got caught when a customer only filled his new diesel there and the engine/injectors went.

Toyotafanboi

why does everyone always seem to hate on tesco fuel so bad? it seems to crop up in every "which fuel" thread. is it because their main business is groceries?

i have filled up pretty much exclusively at tesco for the last 7 years, had a variety of petrol and diesel (japanese import turbo petrol engines and european direct injection diesels, aswell as some n/a petrols and older diesels) cars and never had an issue.

K.Flyer

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

why does everyone always seem to hate on tesco fuel so bad? it seems to crop up in every "which fuel" thread. is it because their main business is groceries?

i have filled up pretty much exclusively at tesco for the last 7 years, had a variety of petrol and diesel (japanese import turbo petrol engines and european direct injection diesels, aswell as some n/a petrols and older diesels) cars and never had an issue.

Only one reason I won't use Tesco fuel...
It's way too expensive compared to others.

punisher5112

K.Flyer wrote: »

Only one reason I won't use Tesco fuel...
It's way too expensive compared to others.

True that I use to use Dundrum a lot as was close and did at one point be cheaper by at least 2 cent but now it's the same or more then everywhere else.

Toyotafanboi

K.Flyer wrote: »

Only one reason I won't use Tesco fuel...
It's way too expensive compared to others.

well that varies station to station so that's different i suppose. it's the people who seem to suggest it's of an inferior quality etc.

my local tesco is right between an apple and a great gas so as you can imagine prices are quite consistent.

Mackas_view

When you say your car runs rougher? What are the signs of it running rougher? I'm not sure I have experienced this or if I have I haven't noticed.

sunnysoutheast

Only use Tesco in Ireland, usually because I'm getting groceries too though! Never had any problem with it.

Would have no issue using branded e.g. Texaco or similar but would never use any station with "cheap" fuel.

K.Flyer

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

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but would never use any station with "cheap" fuel.

Why Not?

There are three "service stations" around Dublin City who are very consistent with cheap diesel prices and I always endeavour to use them. It makes no sense to me to be paying up to 10cent more per litre just because its got a brand name or some gimmicky loyalty card.
As for the "cheap diesel ruins your engine" I've just had my van in for its DOE with 200,000 km and the emissions came back spot on, tester said it was running really well.
At 139.9 to 140.9 a litre from an independent station. I'll take it off them every day.

Skuxx

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

No, some of it is washed green diesel, very bad for your engine.

But I don't think Tesco would use washed diesel, and I've only heard one suggestion I can recall that an applegreen outlet did.

I use Applegreen all the time, I think the extra miles/tank is in people's heads. If there were cost-effective additives that made that much difference per tank, they'd all add them.

Your not going to find washed diesel in any branded petrol station!
In my opinion Topaz, Tesco, Texaco, Esso, Shell, Great Gas, Apple Green, Top or Maxol are all the same, and I'm yet to read anything in this thread to suggest anything different!!

quadrifoglio verde

Mackas_view wrote: »

When you say your car runs rougher? What are the signs of it running rougher? I'm not sure I have experienced this or if I have I haven't noticed.

It might be only subjective but all of my cars have seemed to idle different and develop flat spots in acceleration when filled from empty with tesco and apple green.
This hasn't happened with the other big brands, which is why I'm willing to pay the 0.1 cent a L difference between my local apple green and maxol.

punisher5112

Skuxx wrote: »

Your not going to find washed diesel in any branded petrol station!
In my opinion Topaz, Tesco, Texaco, Esso, Shell, Great Gas, Apple Green, Top or Maxol are all the same, and I'm yet to read anything in this thread to suggest anything different!!

Yes you can as the 1 on the quays and enniskerry were branded but owners thought it would be good to use laundered diesel to make a nice little extra.

Bandara

punisher5112 wrote: »

Yes you can as the 1 on the quays and enniskerry were branded but owners thought it would be good to use laundered diesel to make a nice little extra.

You talking complete crap, why do people like you spout rubbish about things that they are absolutely no knowledge ?

The one on the quays that your referring to is I presume the Top and is now Esso. There has never been any question that the fuel here is anything other than 100% genuine, in fact he is one of the main retailers fighting against another very well know fuel launderer (who has incidently have one of his sites named in this thread already). That quays site was prosecuted (and rightly so) by the NSAI for incorrect dispensing of fuel volumes from the pumps, and was subsequently found guilty in court and fined. It was absolutely nothing to do with washed fuel. If it was washed and he had been caught he would not longer be trading as his Auto Fuel Traders License would not have been issued or renewed with such an issue against him. The same operator has run that site for many years. He is a competitor of mine but his fuel is perfect. His dispensing previously less so!

And your other clueless example of the Enniskerry road station being closed due to washed fuel is also complete nonsense. That site was closed as a result of the owners (headed up by a very wealthy Scottish man), having a huge contractual disagreement with the Fuel company and a stand off occuring. As result of which the owners refused to deal with the fuel company and the fuel company refused to allow the owners to deal with any other fuel company. So in a fit of pique the owners closed the site are and sitting it out and awaiting the 10 year break clause in the 15 year contract they signed with the fuel company for supply. Once that expires it will reopen and will have the companies fighting to win the contract of supply there. Its an excellent site.

Please do not make statements about thing you know nothing about.

You can now reply with some fantastical lies about some it being your brother in laws car who was destroyed etc etc and how you know for a FACT that its washed fuel.

There are (allegedly of course) 3 city center sites selling washed derv, and one of these is also selling striped petrol. There is a further 6 alleged sites within a 3 miles radius of the city. Everyone in the industry knows them and Revenue are all over them trying to catch them. Off these 9 sites 8 are supplied with this washed fuel by one well known individual (one of whose sites has been named on this thread- allegedly).

The introduction of the AFTL has eliminated all but the largest launderers, and the new dye will see the end of washed fuel by Feb 2015. Its a dying practice thankfully.

And for the record, I have no affiliation or connection in anyway with the two sites you falsely claimed to know anything about. In fact they are both competitor brands to my own sites.

punisher5112

Bandara wrote: »

You talking complete crap, why do people like you spout rubbish about things that they are absolutely no knowledge ?

The one on the quays that your referring to is I presume the Top and is now Esso. There has never been any question that the fuel here is anything other than 100% genuine, in fact he is one of the main retailers fighting against another very well know fuel launderer (who has incidently have one of his sites named in this thread already). That quays site was prosecuted (and rightly so) by the NSAI for incorrect dispensing of fuel volumes from the pumps, and was subsequently found guilty in court and fined. It was absolutely nothing to do with washed fuel. If it was washed and he had been caught he would not longer be trading as his Auto Fuel Traders License would not have been issued or renewed with such an issue against him. The same operator has run that site for many years. He is a competitor of mine but his fuel is perfect. His dispensing previously less so!

And your other clueless example of the Enniskerry road station being closed due to washed fuel is also complete nonsense. That site was closed as a result of the owners (headed up by a very wealthy Scottish man), having a huge contractual disagreement with the Fuel company and a stand off occuring. As result of which the owners refused to deal with the fuel company and the fuel company refused to allow the owners to deal with any other fuel company. So in a fit of pique the owners closed the site are and sitting it out and awaiting the 10 year break clause in the 15 year contract they signed with the fuel company for supply. Once that expires it will reopen and will have the companies fighting to win the contract of supply there. Its an excellent site.

Please do not make statements about thing you know nothing about.

You can now reply with some fantastical lies about some it being your brother in laws car who was destroyed etc etc and how you know for a FACT that its washed fuel.

There are (allegedly of course) 3 city center sites selling washed derv, and one of these is also selling striped petrol. There is a further 6 alleged sites within a 3 miles radius of the city. Everyone in the industry knows them and Revenue are all over them trying to catch them. Off these 9 sites 8 are supplied with this washed fuel by one well known individual (one of whose sites has been named on this thread- allegedly).

The introduction of the AFTL has eliminated all but the largest launderers, and the new dye will see the end of washed fuel by Feb 2015. Its a dying practice thankfully.

And for the record, I have no affiliation or connection in anyway with the two sites you falsely claimed to know anything about. In fact they are both competitor brands to my own sites.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::rolleyes:

demanufactured

All Derv sold in Ireland is the same...its all in your heads...

sunnysoutheast

K.Flyer wrote: »

Why Not?

There are three "service stations" around Dublin City who are very consistent with cheap diesel prices and I always endeavour to use them. It makes no sense to me to be paying up to 10cent more per litre just because its got a brand name or some gimmicky loyalty card.
As for the "cheap diesel ruins your engine" I've just had my van in for its DOE with 200,000 km and the emissions came back spot on, tester said it was running really well.
At 139.9 to 140.9 a litre from an independent station. I'll take it off them every day.

I'm not telling you what you should do, only what I do. You can do whatever you want

Several people I know have had issues with Diesel (and some Petrol) cars and when you ask them they have usually filled up in "certain" non-branded places, a few cent cheaper than the others.

dgt

K.Flyer wrote: »

Why Not?

There are three "service stations" around Dublin City who are very consistent with cheap diesel prices and I always endeavour to use them. It makes no sense to me to be paying up to 10cent more per litre just because its got a brand name or some gimmicky loyalty card.
As for the "cheap diesel ruins your engine" I've just had my van in for its DOE with 200,000 km and the emissions came back spot on, tester said it was running really well.
At 139.9 to 140.9 a litre from an independent station. I'll take it off them every day.

That's all well and good until this happens after just 5000 miles





And on closer inspection the cheap crap you get is actually the stuff in the middle


When pumps go bang and the repair bill is a telephone number I have no sympathy for those cheapskating on fuel. I say f*ck the loss, it's their own miserable fault

But what would I know...

Noccy_Mondy

Ahh don't be so pedantic, that's a perfectly good filter, capable of another 5k :pac: :P

vickers209

Bandara wrote: »

And your other clueless example of the Enniskerry road station being closed due to washed fuel is also complete nonsense. That site was closed as a result of the owners (headed up by a very wealthy Scottish man), having a huge contractual disagreement with the Fuel company and a stand off occuring. As result of which the owners refused to deal with the fuel company and the fuel company refused to allow the owners to deal with any other fuel company. So in a fit of pique the owners closed the site are and sitting it out and awaiting the 10 year break clause in the 15 year contract they signed with the fuel company for supply. Once that expires it will reopen and will have the companies fighting to win the contract of supply there. Its an excellent site.

I can confirm this and the case was sorted last year and the site reopened in march/April of this year under a new manger who runs 3 other sites for the same company,

Autosport

I normally buy diesel from either Amber or Unecol but I'll buy it anywhere

I use Topaz, only Topaz, 99% of the time the same outlet. Diesel Lancer.