Is Boards representative of society in Ireland?

feargale

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

I suppose you believe that he rose from the dead after three days too?

Oh for Christ's sake grow up.

Ralf and Florian

feargale wrote: »

Oh for Christ's sake grow up.

Perfectly legit question?Oh hang on it was a miracle,silly of me to ask.

catallus

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

And what unexplained mysteries are you referring to oh Seer?

I'm glad you asked.

Miracles happen every day. The miracle of existence being the biggie of them all.

feargale

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

I'm an atheist and I consider myself perfectly normal.Atheism is growing and I believe will outnumber those clinging to traditional religious beliefs within the next twenty years or so.

Subject to correction by Shiraz, I'm sure that by "normal" he meant the general body of people. However, don't let that deter you from taking offence, as you seemingly wish to do.

Ralf and Florian

catallus wrote: »

I'm glad you asked.

Miracles happen every day. The miracle of existence being the biggie of them all.[/

Every day?I thought that particular biggie came about six thousand years ago when the man in the sky said let there be light.

catallus

How could the "man" be in the "sky" when there was no sky before the light?

Ralf and Florian

catallus wrote: »

How could the "man" be in the "sky" when there was no sky before the

Hey that's what the bible says not me.Are you contradicting the good book?Its straight down to the lad with the pitchfork for you.

catallus

Your wilful misreading of ancient texts is appalling.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201&version=KJV

You really should educate yourself about these things, or have somebody explain it to you if necessary.

Ralf and Florian

catallus wrote: »

Your wilful misreading of ancient texts is appalling.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201&version=KJV

You really should educate yourself about these things, or have somebody explain it to you if necessary.

Well that old school religion doesn't quite cut it for me as it appears to for you.So I suppose you believe in Noah's Ark too?

_Redzer_

Czarcasm wrote: »

You're seeing what you want to see Ralf. It's not reality though, but confirmation bias that informs your world view.

On what evidence are you basing this?

Religion is dying out in the western world, slowly but surely. The numbers are falling. That's seen in all polls and surveys. There's been a direct correlation between higher education and lack of faith. Other European countries are already becoming predominantly atheist, and the numbers are only rising. It's undeniable.

I'm 20 years old, very few of my friends are religious, and the ones that say they kind of are, don't even go to mass. We are the majority amongst the young people now, the devout young people are a minority now. It's a result of religion not being so pushed on us, so we're far less likely to independently follow it.

There's a huge amount of cultural Catholics too, they push up the figures, but even then atheism is still growing while catholicism is gradually waning.

You can say it's bias on his part, but that's just hypocritical on yours when the evidence is supporting his statements.

darkdubh

I do think general Irish society is heading towards greater secularisation.Ok so you've immigrant groups like muslims who go against this trend but thats a given.Most young Irish people couldn't care less about religion.

catallus

Religion isn't for the young. It is for adults.

darkdubh

catallus wrote: »

Religion isn't for the young. It is for adults.

No idea what point your trying to make but shure whatever floats your boat.

_Redzer_

catallus wrote: »

Religion isn't for the young. It is for adults.

It pretty much isn't, why else would they be so interested in bringing the children in so young and controlling the school system?

It's all about belief.

A child will believe whatever they're told, and they're hugely impressionable.

If you tell a 5 year old about Santy, and all he does and can do, and they'll believe you without question -because they're 5.

You try that with a 25 year old and there's no chance of that happening.

It's the same deal with children and religion. Unless you get at them early enough, the chances are they're not going to buy into what you're selling.

But I would agree in one sense. I think you should be able to have a neutral childhood, and when you're old enough and can do enough independent thinking for yourself, then decide if you want to be Muslim, Catholic, or nothing at all.

catallus

That's oversimplifying the whole thing.

Grounding children in religious belief is as important as teaching them reading and writing.

redbuck

Got banned for a week for insulting Ray D'Arcy, I still stand by my comments however....

catallus

What did you say about him?

redbuck

redbuck wrote: »

Got banned for a week for insulting Ray D'Arcy, I still stand by my comments however....

Oh crap thought I was in the "Did you ever get banned" thread sorry!!

krudler

_Redzer_ wrote: »

It pretty much isn't, why else would they be so interested in bringing the children in so young and controlling the school system?

It's all about belief.

A child will believe whatever they're told, and they're hugely impressionable.

If you tell a 5 year old about Santy, and all he does and can do, and they'll believe you without question -because they're 5.

You try that with a 25 year old and there's no chance of that happening.

It's the same deal with children and religion. Unless you get at them early enough, the chances are they're not going to buy into what you're selling.

But I would agree in one sense. I think you should be able to have a neutral childhood, and when you're old enough and can do enough independent thinking for yourself, then decide if you want to be Muslim, Catholic, or nothing at all.

That basically, but as the older people get and more educated they are the less chance is they'll be suckered in by fairytales and evidence free beliefs, the church has stuck to it's age old motto: get em while they're young :pac:

Tell a 5 year old the story of the virgin birth and jack and the beanstalk and they'd be hard pressed to tell you which one is supposedly true and which one is a fairytale. spoiler, they both are.

feargale

krudler wrote: »

That basically, but as the older people get and more educated they are the less chance is they'll be suckered in by fairytales and evidence free beliefs, the church has stuck to it's age old motto: get em while they're young :pac:

Tell a 5 year old the story of the virgin birth and jack and the beanstalk and they'd be hard pressed to tell you which one is supposedly true and which one is a fairytale. spoiler, they both are.

krudler wrote: »

There's a way to debate religious topics, this ain't it.

!!!!!!!!!

krudler

feargale wrote: »

!!!!!!!!!

What's your point?

shruikan2553

catallus wrote: »

That's oversimplifying the whole thing.

Grounding children in religious belief is as important as teaching them reading and writing.

Yeah no. Reading and writing is necessary to continue education.

darkdubh

catallus wrote: »

That's oversimplifying the whole thing.

Grounding children in religious belief is as important as teaching them reading and writing.

Being able to read and write should take precedence over religious education.Knowing the story of the loaves and the fishes is harldly going to help them secure future employment.

Wibbs

krudler wrote: »

That basically, but as the older people get and more educated they are the less chance is they'll be suckered in by fairytales and evidence free beliefs, the church has stuck to it's age old motto: get em while they're young :pac:

Tell a 5 year old the story of the virgin birth and jack and the beanstalk and they'd be hard pressed to tell you which one is supposedly true and which one is a fairytale. spoiler, they both are.

Oh sure K. That said for many the need for the "spiritual" is strong and remains so. Organised religion may well be on the decline in the west, but other disorganised "religion" is still holding sway, whether that be crystals, or yoga, or witches, or angels, or horoscopes, or dreamcatchers, or fast food "Buddhism", or whatever. I reckon that will hold sway for quite the while in the West. As for the rest of the world? Lots of religion, organised or not is still running very strong.

feargale

krudler wrote: »

What's your point?

That the thread is now focused on a single issue which is far from OP and the question posed. There's a bucketful of threads for people who want to devote their lives to the God is/god ain't issue. Does this thread have to turn into one of them?

boostenergy

Yes in terms of politics and culture it would be quare accurate.
People who look down their noses at Ulster Gaels and who think they have the monopoly on Irish culture and heritage, this is best noticeable during st.patricks day discussions.
Not my sort of people and not the sort of people I would ever mix with in reality, i wouldn't invite them in for a cup of tae and a cream bun anyway.

Skullface McGubbin

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

It over represents the following groups:

Shinners
Atheists
LBGT Supporters
Computer Nerds

Every poll is skewed massively against the normal population

I would add Cannabis users to that list too. They seem to be prevalent enough on boards and other sites but in Irish society in general, they would appear to be a vocal minority.

gugleguy

Skullface McGubbin wrote: »

I would add Cannabis users to that list too. They seem to be prevalent enough on boards and other sites but in Irish society in general, they would appear to be a vocal minority.

Cocaine definitely fuels some of the more arrogant keyboard warriors too.