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Voluntary contributions for school

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  • #32
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,548 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    diveout wrote: »
    Same voo doo, different day. All those teaching hours and overheads spent on all that time. And yet they want 250 from each student, even when on prime real estate. Yeah.
    What overheads exactly? Teaching time- nothing to do with schools looking for financial help. Prime real estate? Do you suggest schools all move to the side of some wind swept bog ??


  • #33
    diveout
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    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    What overheads exactly? Teaching time- nothing to do with schools looking for financial help. Prime real estate? Do you suggest schools all move to the side of some wind swept bog ??

    Per hour, how much does it cost to run a classroom? Including heat, insurance, electricity, and labor costs teacher, teachers aid and SNAs if applicable?

    How many hours are spent on the teachings of the holy ghost and the baby Jesus?

    If the financial help they are looking for subsidizes this voo doo then yes it definitely does. If they cut the waste involved in hours spent on it, they might save some money and then wouldn't have to beg.


  • #34
    PLL
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    I went to school in England and will be sending my daughter to school here in 2 years and I am in shock at what is being said here. I have absolutely no issue in supporting the school my daughter attends but to call something voluntary when it is not is wrong. It should either be stated what the so called 'voluntary contribution' actually is for otherwise it is just blackmail.


  • #35
    SamforMayo
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    PLL wrote: »
    I went to school in England and will be sending my daughter to school here in 2 years and I am in shock at what is being said here. I have absolutely no issue in supporting the school my daughter attends but to call something voluntary when it is not is wrong. It should either be stated what the so called 'voluntary contribution' actually is for otherwise it is just blackmail.

    To be fair this is not every school and to be honest I actually rather pay the contribution than this constant fundraising which is a dose.


  • #36
    diveout
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    SamforMayo wrote: »
    To be fair this is not every school and to be honest I actually rather pay the contribution than this constant fundraising which is a dose.

    We get the begging letters in the school bag as well as a demand for E95 and a request for E250.


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  • #37
    SamforMayo
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    diveout wrote: »
    Per hour, how much does it cost to run a classroom? Including heat, insurance, electricity, and labor costs teacher, teachers aid and SNAs if applicable?

    How many hours are spent on the teachings of the holy ghost and the baby Jesus?

    If the financial help they are looking for subsidizes this voo doo then yes it definitely does. If they cut the waste involved in hours spent on it, they might save some money and then wouldn't have to beg.

    The school day will not be shortened regardless of whether religion is taught or not therefore heat, insurance etc is the same. I m fairly sure Educate Together schools look for money too. Parents were asked on their opinions about religious education in schools as far as I know the majority were in favour of it continuing. However since you seem very exercised on the issue perhaps you should email our new minister for education or ring Joe Duffy.


  • #38
    SamforMayo
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    diveout wrote: »
    We get the begging letters in the school bag as well as a demand for E95 and a request for E250.
    That's a lot of money you are been asked for. Out of interest have you got a break down on where the 95/250 is going. Do your children have to pay for a lot of books on top of this?


  • #39
    diveout
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    SamforMayo wrote: »
    That's a lot of money you are been asked for. Out of interest have you got a break down on where the 95/250 is going. Do your children have to pay for a lot of books on top of this?

    A couple of books to buy, two school uniform sets, with piping and stitched in crests.

    95 is for photocopying and arts and crafts and text notifications.

    The E250 I have no idea.

    Plus various fundraising during the year for things.


  • #40
    SamforMayo
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    diveout wrote: »
    A couple of books to buy, two school uniform sets, with piping and stitched in crests.

    95 is for photocopying and arts and crafts and text notifications.

    The E250 I have no idea.

    Plus various fundraising during the year for things.
    Regarding the 95 euro if you are only buying a couple of books it sounds like they do a lot photocopying. I never heard of a school charging for text notification as I thought it was done via computer. As for the 250 euro unless there is new building work going on or a big outlay for interactive white boards etc it sounds steep. Parents should be given a break down of where it goes, this happens in a lot of schools. One thing though if a lot of parents refuse to contribute at all the other parents are left to pay more and that drives me mad.


  • #41
    diveout
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    SamforMayo wrote: »
    Regarding the 95 euro if you are only buying a couple of books it sounds like they do a lot photocopying. I never heard of a school charging for text notification as I thought it was done via computer. As for the 250 euro unless there is new building work going on or a big outlay for interactive white boards etc it sounds steep. Parents should be given a break down of where it goes, this happens in a lot of schools. One thing though if a lot of parents refuse to contribute at all the other parents are left to pay more and that drives me mad.

    The amount of photocopying is unreal. I have stacks of it I don't know what to do with. I don't understand why they just don't use books.


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  • #42
    Insect Overlord
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    diveout wrote: »
    The amount of photocopying is unreal. I have stacks of it I don't know what to do with. I don't understand why they just don't use books.

    A fair few of the books (for classes of all levels) are rubbish.


  • #43
    SamforMayo
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    An File wrote: »
    A fair few of the books (for classes of all levels) are rubbish.
    Yes but not all so a lot of research is required, also once they go above 1 st class they don't need to write into workbooks so those books are usually available on a loan scheme. A visualizer is a great tool too and really cuts down on photocopying.


  • #44
    killbillvol2
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    diveout wrote: »
    A couple of books to buy, two school uniform sets, with piping and stitched in crests.

    95 is for photocopying and arts and crafts and text notifications.

    The E250 I have no idea.

    Plus various fundraising during the year for things.



    Despite my reservations about your agenda on the religious front that sounds like something bordering on extortion.

    My school runs a weekly lottery, €2 a ticket, voluntary obviously. It's well supported and the proceeds are very transparently spent on resources.

    To the various ill informed contributers, school accounts are audited annually and not by the parents'association. (Well maybe the PA sees them but they're independently audited)


  • #45
    killbillvol2
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    An File wrote: »
    A fair few of the books (for classes of all levels) are rubbish.

    Tremendous contribution. Maybe you'd like to elaborate?


  • #46
    DerryRed
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    is mise spartacus wrote: »
    My school requests €100ish and if you don't pay in time you get no locker, journal etc until you pay.

    This is just plain wrong. With these stipulations parents have little choice but to pay. I wouldn't want my daughter to be one of the few without a locker and become a target for bullies.


  • #47
    Nick_1494
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Nick_1494


    That seems very steep. My school is 150 for the first child and 100 after that. Lockers and journals are an extra 10 at the start of the year. Contribution can be paid in installments over the year and covers all printing, arts, pe, etc.


  • #48
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,548 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    diveout wrote: »
    Per hour, how much does it cost to run a classroom? Including heat, insurance, electricity, and labor costs teacher, teachers aid and SNAs if applicable?

    How many hours are spent on the teachings of the holy ghost and the baby Jesus?

    If the financial help they are looking for subsidizes this voo doo then yes it definitely does. If they cut the waste involved in hours spent on it, they might save some money and then wouldn't have to beg.

    Religion was traditionally taught during lunchtime, from 12-12.30, so the school day was not impacted and without it ,the school day would not be any shorter, but breaks would be longer, so your idea of school funds being spent on religion is not valid.. If you have an issue with religion in schools, please contact the DES ,as even multi-denom schools have to teach about different religions.

    Please don't post on this thread again re religion as it is off topic. Feel free to start another thread on the issue elsewhere.


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