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Is there any main brand of car you simply won't buy?

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    #212
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    djimi wrote: »
    Judging by this thread youd swear this is something that is unique to motoring...

    It's not unique to motoring, but the constant repetitions here show that this is not a forum filled with well-informed car lovers, it's mainly people who heard stories down the pub.

    My best ever was talking to a distant relative - we had just bought an S-max in 2008. He was shocked, and couldn't understand why anyone would buy a Ford, because his Cortina broke down once in 1971.


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    #213
    djimi
    Registered Users Posts: 13,238 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    It's not unique to motoring, but the constant repetitions here show that this is not a forum filled with well-informed car lovers, it's mainly people who heard stories down the pub.

    My best ever was talking to a distant relative - we had just bought an S-max in 2008. He was shocked, and couldn't understand why anyone would buy a Ford, because his Cortina broke down once in 1971.

    Well informed car lovers will buy anything that they can personally verify is a decent car (as in individual car, not make or model). The majority of car buyers are not that meticulous, and in reality dont give a toss either way. They have had first hand experiences of seeing issues with a brand like Fiat, they wont spend their hard earned money on a Fiat. Such is life. People will dismiss such reputations as pub talk, and maybe it will lead to people overlooking good cars, but the reality is that I had a Punto that gave me trouble, several other people I know had similar issues, therefore I will look to one of the many other car manufacturers before I ever consider buying Fiat again. Perhaps its not right, but it is human nature.


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    #214
    Ralphdejones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Ralphdejones


    djimi wrote: »
    Well informed car lovers will buy anything that they can personally verify is a decent car (as in individual car, not make or model).

    To tell you the truth if there was well known serious issues with that particular model and engine, I woud not be buying it no matter how good it's current condition. Make or nationality would not bother me though.


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    #215
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    It's not unique to motoring, but the constant repetitions here show that this is not a forum filled with well-informed car lovers, it's mainly people who heard stories down the pub.

    My best ever was talking to a distant relative - we had just bought an S-max in 2008. He was shocked, and couldn't understand why anyone would buy a Ford, because his Cortina broke down once in 1971.

    Your distant relative is right Ford haven't improved much since '71. 😊


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    #216
    Tea 1000
    Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Tea 1000


    ZeroThreat wrote: »
    Indeed, I'm still seething at FIAT for the Ritmo.......

    :D
    The Ritmo was a decent car! It was assembled by monkeys, but the car itself was decent! Better looking than most muck at the time, nice to drive and decent engines! Particularly the twin-cam motors.
    Voodoomelon wrote: »
    That's cool. But to me if a brand hasn't a single car that id even remotely consider, over several years of production, with a poor image and bottom of the ladder status, that's grounds for dismissing the brand entirely.
    I'd agree, Ssangyong are currently there for me, but I wouldn't rule them out forever, some day they might have something I'd buy, but not currently.
    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    If they came out with something I like (and by like I mean the way it drives - make no mistake, the Toyota GT86 for example still looks cr@p like most Toyotas, but at least the driving makes up for it), I don't see why not.
    The GT86 looks nothing like other Toyotas.
    jca wrote: »
    Dumbest post of the thread so far. It took longer than usual for a Troll to arrive, a bit like trains I suppose:cool::cool:
    You're the troll here!
    djimi wrote: »
    Well informed car lovers will buy anything that they can personally verify is a decent car (as in individual car, not make or model). The majority of car buyers are not that meticulous, and in reality dont give a toss either way. They have had first hand experiences of seeing issues with a brand like Fiat, they wont spend their hard earned money on a Fiat. Such is life. People will dismiss such reputations as pub talk, and maybe it will lead to people overlooking good cars, but the reality is that I had a Punto that gave me trouble, several other people I know had similar issues, therefore I will look to one of the many other car manufacturers before I ever consider buying Fiat again. Perhaps its not right, but it is human nature.
    The problem isn't that people will dismiss a brand because of a reliability issue, it's that they'll pick and choose based on kudos first, reliability second.
    They go and buy a Fiat because the price is right, something small goes wrong maybe two or three times, and they say it's the greatest heap of dung ever. Their friend had the same problem. All Fiats are dung according to themselves. They break the bank and buy a Golf. Now they drive what all their friends want and love. The Golf breaks, it's something expensive, but it's still the greatest car since sliced bread and everyone should drive one, and you're an idiot if you don't.
    That's the problem. And I know people like that.
    VW and Fiat around the same time came out with a new 1.4 engine, turbo, both had a few versions with the top in each between 160 and 170bhp. VW had to remove theirs because of reliability issues, no such issues for the Fiat power plant, but guess which is slated for reliability and which is lauded for being brilliant?


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    #217
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Tea 1000 wrote: »
    The GT86 looks nothing like other Toyotas.

    Because it's a Subaru.


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    #218
    Joe 90
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Because it's a Subaru.
    :D


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    #219
    Tea 1000
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Because it's a Subaru.
    It's actually Toyota design, but sure it's more fun this way!


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    #220
    JohnBoy26
    Registered Users Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    Chevrolet(Daewoo), Mitsubishi, Renault, Mazda, opel.


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    #221
    Ralphdejones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Ralphdejones


    JohnBoy26 wrote: »
    Mitsubishi, Mazda

    Why these two, I'm wondering why they are any worse than Ford, or VW ?


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    #222
    JohnBoy26
    Registered Users Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    Ralphdejones wrote: »
    Why these two, I'm wondering why they are any worse than Ford, or VW ?

    Just don't like either brand for various reasons.


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    #223
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    Tea 1000 wrote: »
    The Ritmo was a decent car! It was assembled by monkeys, but the car itself was decent! Better looking than most muck at the time, nice to drive and decent engines! Particularly the twin-cam motors.

    I'd agree, Ssangyong are currently there for me, but I wouldn't rule them out forever, some day they might have something I'd buy, but not currently.

    The GT86 looks nothing like other Toyotas.

    You're the troll here!

    The problem isn't that people will dismiss a brand because of a reliability issue, it's that they'll pick and choose based on kudos first, reliability second.
    They go and buy a Fiat because the price is right, something small goes wrong maybe two or three times, and they say it's the greatest heap of dung ever. Their friend had the same problem. All Fiats are dung according to themselves. They break the bank and buy a Golf. Now they drive what all their friends want and love. The Golf breaks, it's something expensive, but it's still the greatest car since sliced bread and everyone should drive one, and you're an idiot if you don't.
    That's the problem. And I know people like that.
    VW and Fiat around the same time came out with a new 1.4 engine, turbo, both had a few versions with the top in each between 160 and 170bhp. VW had to remove theirs because of reliability issues, no such issues for the Fiat power plant, but guess which is slated for reliability and which is lauded for being brilliant?
    Not back in school yet Teacher??


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    #224
    bear1
    Registered Users Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    jca wrote: »
    Not back in school yet Teacher??

    He's right though.


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    #225
    Tea 1000
    Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Tea 1000


    jca wrote: »
    Not back in school yet Teacher??
    Sorry, your jokes are too crap for me to get. Explain so that I might "lol" as folk do in the forum world! Or are you going to ask me questions three?


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    #226
    H3llR4iser
    Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    Tea 1000 wrote: »
    The GT86 looks nothing like other Toyotas.

    Never said it looks like other Toyotas, it looks cr@p like other Toyotas do :D

    Let's say that, since they were at it with the dynamics, they could have attempted something a bit more personal and less reminiscent of a Hyundai...


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    #227
    JohnBoy26
    Registered Users Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    Tea 1000 wrote: »
    The problem isn't that people will dismiss a brand because of a reliability issue, it's that they'll pick and choose based on kudos first, reliability second.
    They go and buy a Fiat because the price is right, something small goes wrong maybe two or three times, and they say it's the greatest heap of dung ever. Their friend had the same problem. All Fiats are dung according to themselves. They break the bank and buy a Golf. Now they drive what all their friends want and love. The Golf breaks, it's something expensive, but it's still the greatest car since sliced bread and everyone should drive one, and you're an idiot if you don't.
    That's the problem. And I know people like that.
    VW and Fiat around the same time came out with a new 1.4 engine, turbo, both had a few versions with the top in each between 160 and 170bhp. VW had to remove theirs because of reliability issues, no such issues for the Fiat power plant, but guess which is slated for reliability and which is lauded for being brilliant?

    Who is lauding that vag 170 bhp unit as "being brilliant"? And who is slating the fiat power plant?


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    #228
    djimi
    Registered Users Posts: 13,238 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    Never said it looks like other Toyotas, it looks cr@p like other Toyotas do :D

    Let's say that, since they were at it with the dynamics, they could have attempted something a bit more personal and less reminiscent of a Hyundai...

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that, but I dont think I have ever heard anyone describe the GT86 as crap looking before...


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    #229
    Moneymaker
    Registered Users Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Moneymaker


    jca wrote: »
    Your distant relative is right Ford haven't improved much since '71. 😊

    Yeah all those Escort Cosworths, Mondeo's, Focus, Focus ST, Fiesta ST, Ford GT were awful yokes all together.

    :rolleyes:


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    #230
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    goz83 wrote: »
    Lada. Anyone?:P

    I'll have a Niva any day.


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    #231
    dgt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,985 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    I'll have a Niva any day.

    In my twisted world I would love a Priora or a Samara :o


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    #232
    Hachiko
    Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Hachiko


    Let's say that, since they were at it with the dynamics, they could have attempted something a bit more personal and less reminiscent of a Hyundai........

    making it a tad faster would have been good too.


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    #233
    Ralphdejones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Ralphdejones


    Have people worked out yet that the particular model and engine is a much more useful indicator of a good/bad car than the make or nationality is ?


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    #234
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Ralphdejones wrote: »
    Have people worked out yet that the particular model and engine is a much more useful indicator of a good/bad car than the make or nationality is ?

    Yep, going back to the Focus, which one? 1.4 or 1.6 petrol, ST, 1.6 or 1.8 diesel, hatch, saloon (you're sick!) or station wagon? Vast differences between them, someone might buy a bad one and from there the pub talk takes off, ah dey're all sh*te, so dey are!


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    #235
    jca
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    Moneymaker wrote: »
    Yeah all those Escort Cosworths, Mondeo's, Focus, Focus ST, Fiesta ST, Ford GT were awful yokes all together.

    :rolleyes:

    Yea like they're ten a penny in good ole Ireland. Ford's mainstream stuff is pretty dire....


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    #236
    Ralphdejones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Ralphdejones


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    Yep, going back to the Focus, which one? 1.4 or 1.6 petrol, ST, 1.6 or 1.8 diesel, hatch, saloon (you're sick!) or station wagon? Vast differences between them, someone might buy a bad one and from there the pub talk takes off, ah dey're all sh*te, so dey are!

    The 1.6 petrol saloon for me. Some great bargains to be had.


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    #237
    Jesus.
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    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    Never said it looks like other Toyotas, it looks cr@p like other Toyotas do :DLet's say that, since they were at it with the dynamics, they could have attempted something a bit more personal and less reminiscent of a Hyundai...

    Its all in the eye of the beholder mate. I think its a cracking looking motor


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    #238
    Compton
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    Dacia, Volvo, KIA, Hyundai and anything French


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    #239
    Moneymaker
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    jca wrote: »
    Yea like they're ten a penny in good ole Ireland. Ford's mainstream stuff is pretty dire....

    No it isn't.


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    #240
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    jca wrote: »
    Ford's mainstream stuff is pretty dire....

    Ford's very latest stuff is a bit off the pace, and I say that as a Ford driver. The financial crisis and near collapse of the US industry set them back.

    The next Mondeo here is very late, and will be based on a US design that's been on sale for a couple of years - so it'll probably be worse than the current one. I doubt the next S-Max will be an improvement either. The latest Focus isn't a class leader like the first was, and the current Fiesta is just a facelift of the 2008 model.


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    #241
    bladespin
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    Driving them as company cars only confirms my resistance to all things VW, it would take a lot to make me want to part with cash for one.


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