Letterkenny A&E flooded 2014

ALiasEX

Don't know how bad it is. (I know someone who works there.)

frag420

I don't know how bad it is either. Hold tight here OP and il go ask someone!!

Banjo String

I hope the sturgeons aren't trapped underwater.

darkpagandeath

Did It not flood before ?

Sir Arthur Daley

flooded with a&es or water?

frag420

Banjo String wrote: »

I hope the sturgeons aren't trapped underwater.

All non essential Sturgery has been cancelled!

bboybaboy19

K

Tail Docker

Letterkenny still has an A&E?? Better keep that quiet, if they cop it, they'll close it, never mind flood it.

wazky

I heard the place is so overcrowded that patients are now in the corridors on lilos

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller

Did wee Daniel play a concert there last night?

Mint Sauce

It's not really funny any more, it's a brand new unit that only opened about two years ago. Millions was spent again repairing the damage after flooding last year, parts of the 'old' building could never be reopened as a result. Plus the A&E was closed to walk ins over part of the weekend following a registrar shortage which was only lifted this morning.

Its another 30/45 minutes to Derrys Altnagalvin, and at least 90 to Sligo. Just hope there's no one in major need of their services tonight.

Fcuking ridiculous.

:mad:

kneemos

2013 was much better.Here's hoping for the 2015 outing.

The Backwards Man

Nowhere near as bad as last year, the defences they keep crowing about must have done some good. Still a fcuking disgrace that it was ever built where it was in the first place. A depression in the side of a hill and no one thought it would fill with water?
One word

Architects.:rolleyes:

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Why build a hospital on a flood plane in one of the least densely populated counties on the island?

There's literally no joined up thinking.

fullstop

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Why build a hospital on a flood plane in one of the least densely populated counties on the island?

There's literally no joined up thinking.

It's not on a flood plain, it's on a hill.

Kertrada

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Did wee Daniel play a concert there last night?

wee daniel could afford to buy 100 hospitals, he's a cute operator

teotihuacan

They built it in a hole.

But wait, it gets better.

Said hole is in the middle of a complex drainage system.

And said hole filled with water last year, expectedly. But it's ok, they cleaned it up.


......and its full of f*cking water again. What a crowd of absolute f*cking numptys. I live in Letterkenny and its quite embarrassing the level of incompetency in this hick-hole. For the last 13 months there has been a 20-ton digger sitting outside the new A&E department, at a cost of €500 a week (pure corruption) incase further flooding occurred. Can someone please tell me what they thought a digger was gonna do? Other than provide a nice weekly earner to the guy who owns the machine who is no doubt related to one of these bottom-feeders in the County Council?

Mint Sauce

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Why build a hospital on a flood plane in one of the least densely populated counties on the island?

There's literally no joined up thinking.

The Hospital is NOT on a flood plane. Its on the side of a stupidly steep hill beleive it or not. The problem is the NEW A&E was built in ground dug out on the side of the hill, underneath an old drain/stream, that Backwards Man referred to.

And why should Donegal not have a hospital. It may be the least densely populated counties, but its also one of the biggest with a crap infrastructure, with journey times of already of at least an hour from some parts to the hospital. With its A&E closed again, some people now have an up to 2 to 3 hour journey to the next nearest hospital, either in Derry, or Sligo.

Overheal

Mint Sauce wrote: »

It's not really funny any more, it's a brand new unit that only opened about two years ago.

And clearly without doing a preliminary survey about the local environment for potential risks like flooding......

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Why build a hospital on a flood plane in one of the least densely populated counties on the island?

There's literally no joined up thinking.

Are you suggesting there shouldn't be a hospital in County Donegal?

Letterkenny has a population of c. 20,000, and is at the centre of one of the most underserviced and remote regions in the country. Only right and proper that there's a hospital. Don't be daft.

Kertrada

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

Are you suggesting there shouldn't be a hospital in County Donegal?

Letterkenny has a population of c. 20,000, and is at the centre of one of the most underserviced and remote regions in the country. Only right and proper that there's a hospital. Don't be daft.

It's not remote at all from NI, I bet they wish they were part of it now.

overshoot

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Nowhere near as bad as last year, the defences they keep crowing about must have done some good. Still a fcuking disgrace that it was ever built where it was in the first place. A depression in the side of a hill and no one thought it would fill with water?
One word

Architects.:rolleyes:

sorry you need 2 words, im afraid Civil Engineers would be responsible for the drainage system :rolleyes:

Kertrada

overshoot wrote: »

sorry you need 2 words, im afraid Civil Engineers would be responsible for the drainage system :rolleyes:

they are rarely ever listened to in Ireland, as long as the colour of the door handles, walls and curtains match the executive offices to keep the architect and HSE fat cats happy

Aubrey loves Joe

Let them eat Hake

overshoot

Kertrada wrote: »

It's not remote at all from NI, I bet they wish they were part of it now.

Kertrada wrote: »

they are rarely ever listened to in Ireland, as long as the colour of the door handles, walls and curtains match the executive offices to keep the architect and HSE fat cats happy

wow two brilliantly ill informed posts.

sure a flood in a hospital, it really would have been worth decades in a warzone

if you knew anything about government funding, you know architecture is a long way down the list of concerns... the only point of worry is the € at the end, perhaps a more holistic design for long term planning rather than getting a shell built for the cheapest fee from of design teams/contractors, as the current government contracts seek may avoid such scenarios.
start with the politicians... oh but wait, they have to listen to attitudes like this! back to cheap so

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Kertrada wrote: »

It's not remote at all from NI, I bet they wish they were part of it now.

True. They should have agitated to get into Northern Ireland seeing as they are so far from Dublin, the dopes. :rolleyes:

Tail Docker

The same happend last year - new flood defences were put in place. Who built/designed the flood defences?? Last time cost €40million... mad idea to bill the people who fecked up the remediation works??

darkpagandeath

Tail Docker wrote: »

The same happend last year - new flood defences were put in place. Who built/designed the flood defences?? Last time cost €40million... mad idea to bill the people who fecked up the remediation works??

How do Flood defences stop drainage water collecting under the old drainage area ? That's what i want to know.

Kertrada

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

True. They should have agitated to get into Northern Ireland seeing as they are so far from Dublin, the dopes. :rolleyes:

Yep, they would be a lot better off and have a decent building control system to boot.

Kertrada

Tail Docker wrote: »

The same happend last year - new flood defences were put in place. Who built/designed the flood defences?? Last time cost €40million... mad idea to bill the people who fecked up the remediation works??

I wonder who signed off on the planning permission etc.

Now that would be interesting.

Tail Docker

Kertrada wrote: »

I wonder who signed off on the planning permission etc.

Now that would be interesting.

Who got paid the 40 mill? I know if we did that, and it didn't work, I'd be on the hook for the damage - we do a lot of flood defence work.

Kertrada

Tail Docker wrote: »

Who got paid the 40 mill?

I bet they are very unconnected to anyone

circadian

Kertrada wrote: »

Yep, they would be a lot better off and have a decent building control system to boot.

It's still west of the Bann, damned if they do damned if they don't.

kneemos

teotihuacan wrote: »

They built it in a hole.

But wait, it gets better.

Said hole is in the middle of a complex drainage system.

And said hole filled with water last year, expectedly. But it's ok, they cleaned it up.


......and its full of f*cking water again. What a crowd of absolute f*cking numptys. I live in Letterkenny and its quite embarrassing the level of incompetency in this hick-hole. For the last 13 months there has been a 20-ton digger sitting outside the new A&E department, at a cost of €500 a week (pure corruption) incase further flooding occurred. Can someone please tell me what they thought a digger was gonna do? Other than provide a nice weekly earner to the guy who owns the machine who is no doubt related to one of these bottom-feeders in the County Council?

Don't know what a 20 tonne digger costs bit 500 a week sounds inordinately cheap.

darkpagandeath

kneemos wrote: »

Don't know what a 20 tonne digger costs bit 500 a week sounds inordinately cheap.

Think that sounds more like a day rate. google says a normal jcb is about €350 per day so if its one of the large ones €500 sounds about right.

Kertrada

kneemos wrote: »

Don't know what a 20 tonne digger costs bit 500 a week sounds inordinately cheap.

for parking it ? either way buttons to the 45 million paid out for the 'flood' work

wexie

teotihuacan wrote: »

Can someone please tell me what they thought a digger was gonna do? Other than provide a nice weekly earner to the guy who owns the machine who is no doubt related to one of these bottom-feeders in the County Council?

well....nothing if it's sitting still. If it has a decent operator to go with it you could use it to do all kinds of things, one of them would be to dig drainage gullies. Or redirect existing drainage gullies. Build dikes....

I'd have thought it would be quite a useful tool under the circumstances......that's if someone had used it

kneemos

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Think that sounds more like a day rate. google says a normal jcb is about €350 per day so if its one of the large ones €500 sounds about right.

Not for a week though.

darkpagandeath

wexie wrote: »

well....nothing if it's sitting still. If it has a decent operator to go with it you could use it to do all kinds of things, one of them would be to dig drainage gullies. Or redirect existing drainage gullies. Build dikes....

I'd have thought it would be quite a useful tool under the circumstances......that's if someone had used it

Does health and safety not stop you working in Torrential rain / flooding.

darkpagandeath

kneemos wrote: »

Not for a week though.

Yeah sorry I meant per day.

OneEightSeven

Kertrada wrote: »

I wonder who signed off on the planning permission etc.

Probably some big eejit did it.

wexie

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Does health and safety not stop you working in Torrential rain / flooding.

Dunno, last time I saw a big digger it had a nice big cabin on it, complete with AC, heating, radio....

But if it's been sitting there for a while of course the idea would be to get it all done before the heavy rain, I could see that moving large amounts of earth in the middle of a torrential flood could prove to be somewhat challenging and call for a special skillset?

* no accounting for the 'sense' of the H&S crowd though...

Kertrada

OneEightSeven wrote: »

Probably some big eejit did it.

as long as they're well connected they should be safe enough

Tail Docker

Hole or no hole, if it's on a hill, then water flows down - bang in drains. And why hire a track machine? Why not a fcuking big fcuk-off pump??? Pumps tend to pump water away......

darkpagandeath

Tail Docker wrote: »

Hole or no hole, if it's on a hill, then water flows down - bang in drains. And why hire a track machine? Why not a fcuking big fcuk-off pump??? Pumps tend to pump water away......

That’s the problem it's build under the drainage. No idea how something like that got near even considered for planning permission.

icescreamqueen

My heart goes out to the staff and patients. My Dad got a phone call at 6.30 this evening to say that the were putting the major incident response out to all staff. This was his day off and he couldn't get back to the hospital as we're completely cut off here with the floods. Last year, his entire office was flooded and everything in it was destroyed. The staff have to be commended for the conditions they had to endure over the last year and the major clean up they had to do last year. Something major will have to happen now. They can't keep putting lives on the line or have the staff work in such awful conditions. They should rebuild the hospital in a secure location!

wexie

Tail Docker wrote: »

. And why hire a track machine? Why not a fcuking big fcuk-off pump??? Pumps tend to pump water away......

cause you can't do this with a pump?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/FEMA_-_40265_-_Men_with_construction_equipment_working_on_a_dike_in_North_Dakota.jpg

At least my approach would be to stop the problem from happening rather than try to remedy it once it's already happened.

kneemos

wexie wrote: »

cause you can't do this with a pump?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/FEMA_-_40265_-_Men_with_construction_equipment_working_on_a_dike_in_North_Dakota.jpg

At least my approach would be to stop the problem from happening rather than try to remedy it once it's already happened.

Probably flash flooding is the problem,by the time they get an operator and decide what to do with the digger the damage has more than likely been done.

wexie

icescreamqueen wrote: »

They should rebuild the hospital in a secure location!

No need for that, bring in some Dutch civil engineers, they'll have the place dry and watertight in a jiffy. They can extend the coastline a bit as well while they're there anyways, give you some extra space.

Maybe knock down some of those pesky cliffs and make some nice sandy beaches. Claddagh and Shamrock shaped islands....

Kertrada

icescreamqueen wrote: »

They should rebuild the hospital in a secure location!

Yep pay the same well connected lads twice to sort out their mess. keeerching

wexie

kneemos wrote: »

Probably flash flooding is the problem,by the time they get an operator and decide what to do with the digger the damage has more than likely been done.

Probably, what I meant though is that if this happened like this last year....and the digger's been there for a while....

Then again I guess we can't exactly expect the county council to show some forward planning and thinking....or learn a lesson from last years floods...