Driving Habbits Poll

tcawley29

Hi guys,

Just curious. Say car A is in front and driving at 80km/h on a 100km/h road.
Car B comes up at 100km/h from behind.
Car B flashes headlights (once) to car A to let him pass where there is a hard shoulder and conditions permit this.

Would you as Car A pull in and let car B pass.

I personally would as if another driver wants to go faster that is none of my business to prevent him from doing so.

jimgoose

Yes.

djimi

It depends on what you mean by letting him past. Im not likely to put four wheel into the hard shoulder, but I will move over and wont make the overtake difficult for him if its safe to do so.

Then again, if its a 100km/h stretch of road then Im unlikely to be the one getting overtaken for being 20% under the speed limit...

tcawley29

djimi wrote: »

It depends on what you mean by letting him past. Im not likely to put four wheel into the hard shoulder, but I will move over and wont make the overtake difficult for him if its safe to do so.

Then again, if its a 100km/h stretch of road then Im unlikely to be the one getting overtaken for being 20% under the speed limit...

Thats fair enough, I dont expect anyone to put themselves in danger.

However if the hard shoulder is big enough and there is oncoming traffic towards you why wouldn't you?

The Backwards Man

Where conditions permit overtaking he wouldn't have to flash me. Where they don't he'll have to wait, unless the lights he's flashing are blue.

tcawley29

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Where conditions permit overtaking he wouldn't have to flash me. Where they don't he'll have to wait, unless the lights he's flashing are blue.

And here comes the typical backarse attitude

djimi

tcawley29 wrote: »

Thats fair enough, I dont expect anyone to put themselves in danger.

However if the hard shoulder is big enough and there is oncoming traffic towards you why wouldn't you?

Because a) I have no idea what kind of ****e is going to be littered around the hard shoulder so Im not risking a puncture, and b) why on earth should I drive off the road to facilitate someone coming up behind me?

I dont mind making an overtake easier. Im not going to disappear off the road altogether. The hard shoulder is not a driving/climbing/slow moving lane.

djimi

tcawley29 wrote: »

And here comes the typical backarse attitude

Did you start this thread so you could abuse those who didnt give the answer you wanted to hear?

pippip

I'd never drive too far into a hard shoulder, far too much debris.

The Backwards Man

tcawley29 wrote: »

And here comes the typical backarse attitude

Nothing backarse about, I've seen first hand the carnage driving in the hard shoulder can do.

monflat

tcawley29 wrote: »

And here comes the typical backarse attitude

?!??
Your asking people for their opinions and then disrespting the answer given because you don't agree with it?

Cabaal

I'm guessing if somebody drove up behind a unmarked Gardai car and flashed lights etc looking to pass they'd get pulled over for doing it and rightly so.

Its aggressive driving if somebody starts doing this. If somebody wants to overtake they can do so when it is safe to do so.

Of course me driving 80 in a 100 doesn't happen, unless the conditions are unsuitable to do so (road works, hedge cutting loads of cyclists, etc)

If I have a trailer I'll always pull abit into a hard shoulders to let stuff pass when I can safely do so.

mynamewasgone!

Of course let car B pass.

jimgoose

Cabaal wrote: »

I'm guessing if somebody drove up behind a unmarked Gardai car and flashed lights etc looking to pass they'd get pulled over for doing it and rightly so.

Its aggressive driving if somebody starts doing this. If somebody wants to overtake they can do so when it is safe to do so...

You should try the Black Autobahn!

Mycroft H

If someone wants to overtake me they're welcome to by accelerating past me.

daz1988

the country people really are the worst on the road I live in the country and its 80km road they drive at 40 and on the middle of the road I was rushing to the hospital one evening I flashed hit the horn a few times and this person sat in the middle of the road in the end i went for it i passed out without breaking the speed limit but i just could not take it anymore im sorry but other road users may actually be in a hurry the laws are wrong anyone who drives like this should be videoed and fined for annoying others and causing accidents

tcawley29

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Nothing backarse about, I've seen first hand the carnage driving in the hard shoulder can do.

Supposing they were in a rush to hospital, etc. You don't know what their story is.

The selfish attitude of not letting someone pass could be causing harm.

tcawley29

daz1988 wrote: »

the country people really are the worst on the road I live in the country and its 80km road they drive at 40 and on the middle of the road I was rushing to the hospital one evening I flashed hit the horn a few times and this person sat in the middle of the road in the end i went for it i passed out without breaking the speed limit but i just could not take it anymore im sorry but other road users may actually be in a hurry the laws are wrong anyone who drives like this should be videoed and fined for annoying others and causing accidents

This,
This is exactly why I think people should be more considerate. Car B could be bringing someone to hospital or trying to get to hospital if a family member was there and had taken a turn for the worse

tcawley29

djimi wrote: »

Because a) I have no idea what kind of ****e is going to be littered around the hard shoulder so Im not risking a puncture, and b) why on earth should I drive off the road to facilitate someone coming up behind me?

I dont mind making an overtake easier. Im not going to disappear off the road altogether. The hard shoulder is not a driving/climbing/slow moving lane.

Very good point and makes perfect sense. Never thought of that side of it before

Cabaal

tcawley29 wrote: »

The selfish attitude of not letting someone pass could be causing harm.

Statistically though its likely they are not in an emergency situation,

Its much more likely the person just wants to drive faster to get to work/pub/shop etc 0.5seconds faster.

The Backwards Man

tcawley29 wrote: »

Supposing they were in a rush to hospital, etc. You don't know what their story is.

The selfish attitude of not letting someone pass could be causing harm.

Suppose there's a kid on a bike turning at the driveway of their house and they get decapitated by a passing vehicle driving on the hard shoulder to let someone else overtake?

endacl

tcawley29 wrote: »

And here comes the typical backarse attitude

Somebody didn't let you past, and you so important and all?

Slicemeister

On a sidenote I'm of the opinion an overtake should be completed as quickly as possible. That means breaking the speed limit on the wrong side of the road. Anyone ever done or reprimanded for this?

Nothing worse than an overtake that takes so long it endangers other road users too imo.

tcawley29

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Suppose there's a kid on a bike turning at the driveway of their house and they get decapitated by a passing vehicle driving on the hard shoulder to let someone else overtake?

If there was a child there then conditions would not permit the driver to pull in, thus your argument is invalid

daz1988

There is a woman who live about 3 miles away from me her son collapsed during a hurling game rushed to hospital she left her house and about a mile from my house she came behind a person who refused to pull in she sat there for 10 minutes eventually she rammed the car as she passed and did not stop the guards treated her as a criminal and tried to arrest her while she sat at her sons bedside about a week later her husband called to that persons door and explained the story and this persons words were ( I dont give a **** she is a mad woman she needs her head checked she could have killed me ) If anything serious happened like that happened that I had to get to hospital there and then no one would stop me no cars no road blocks i would not stop country is a joke country drivers should be ashamed driving there fancy cars staying on the middle of the road as there afraid to get a scratch on them

endacl

tcawley29 wrote: »

If there was a child there then conditions would not permit the driver to pull in, thus your argument is invalid

Not really. Kids are unpredictable.

Your poll is a bit ..... 'loaded'....?

Why didn't you just have a rant and leave it at that?

endacl

daz1988 wrote: »

There is a woman who live about 3 miles away from me her son collapsed during a hurling game rushed to hospital she left her house and about a mile from my house she came behind a person who refused to pull in she sat there for 10 minutes eventually she rammed the car as she passed and did not stop the guards treated her as a criminal and tried to arrest her while she sat at her sons bedside about a week later her husband called to that persons door and explained the story and this persons words were ( I dont give a **** she is a mad woman she needs her head checked she could have killed me ) If anything serious happened like that happened that I had to get to hospital there and then no one would stop me no cars no road blocks i would not stop country is a joke country drivers should be ashamed driving there fancy cars staying on the middle of the road as there afraid to get a scratch on them

Punctuation and paragraphs please. You don't need to type the same way as you drive.

The Backwards Man

tcawley29 wrote: »

If there was a child there then conditions would not permit the driver to pull in, thus your argument is invalid

Are you one of those super drivers that can see the future?
Us mere mortals can't react to situations on the road until we see them.

That's why I think it's safer to err on the side of caution, the person rushing to the hospital will get past me, the kid with his head fifty yards down the road in a gully hasn't a hope.

tcawley29

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Are you one of those super drivers that can see the future?
Us mere mortals can't react to situations on the road until we see them.

No I'm just one of those lucky people that was born with two eyes to look at where im driving and whats up ahead of me

Witcher

Slicemeister wrote: »

On a sidenote I'm of the opinion an overtake should be completed as quickly as possible. That means breaking the speed limit on the wrong side of the road. Anyone ever done or reprimanded for this?

Nothing worse than an overtake that takes so long it endangers other road users too imo.

Saw a lad overtake a car ahead of me the other day coming up to a hill, he could have safely overtaken the car even with the hill there but he was so slow about it that he was nearly on the crest of the hill by the time he moved back in.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

I'd move over as far left in my lane as possible to allow car B some better visibility.
But not go into the hard shoulder.

I've done it in the past, I drove some cars that would be a lot slower than those around them. I've been both car A and car B in that scenario at one time or another.

challengemaster

tcawley29 wrote: »

Supposing they were in a rush to hospital, etc. You don't know what their story is.

The selfish attitude of not letting someone pass could be causing harm.

daz1988 wrote: »

There is a woman who live about 3 miles away from me her son collapsed during a hurling game rushed to hospital she left her house and about a mile from my house she came behind a person who refused to pull in she sat there for 10 minutes eventually she rammed the car as she passed and did not stop the guards treated her as a criminal and tried to arrest her while she sat at her sons bedside about a week later her husband called to that persons door and explained the story and this persons words were ( I dont give a **** she is a mad woman she needs her head checked she could have killed me ) If anything serious happened like that happened that I had to get to hospital there and then no one would stop me no cars no road blocks i would not stop country is a joke country drivers should be ashamed driving there fancy cars staying on the middle of the road as there afraid to get a scratch on them

That woman IS a criminal.

The selfish attitude of "I'm the only person on the road that matters" is much more likely to cause harm, IMO.

It's reasonable to expect people to want to rush in certain circumstances, but it doesn't give you the right to ram other cars off the road or drive aggressively towards other drivers. You may be in a rush, but you've got no right to endanger other road users.

Moneymaker

tcawley29 wrote: »

And here comes the typical backarse attitude

So you were the one flashing the lights so?

tcawley29

challengemaster wrote: »

That woman IS a criminal.

The selfish attitude of "I'm the only person on the road that matters" is much more likely to cause harm, IMO.

It's reasonable to expect people to want to rush in certain circumstances, but it doesn't give you the right to ram other cars off the road or drive aggressively towards other drivers. You may be in a rush, but you've got no right to endanger other road users.

Correct however the cnut in front of her should not have been in the middle of the road.

Boom_Bap

If another driver expects you to pull into the hard shoulder to let them past, they are assh*les.
If another driver flashes you to emphasise that they want you to move into the hard shoulder to let them past, they are assh*les.

The other driver if they want to overtake should wait until it is safe to do so with no expectation on the car they are overtaking.

In reality though, I would edge towards the hard shoulder to indicate to the overtaker that I'm aware they are there and that I'm allowing space for their manoeuvre.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

challengemaster wrote: »

That woman IS a criminal.

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+1
Hope she was done for reckless driving and given a good long ban to think about why she was an idiot.

daz1988

challengemaster wrote: »

That woman IS a criminal.

The selfish attitude of "I'm the only person on the road that matters" is much more likely to cause harm, IMO.

It's reasonable to expect people to want to rush in certain circumstances, but it doesn't give you the right to ram other cars off the road or drive aggressively towards other drivers. You may be in a rush, but you've got no right to endanger other road users.

that's your opinion but the woman proved to be on the right hand side of the road and the car that was driving slow moved out to the middle she in the end was found guilty as cameras proved she caused it

Dermot Illogical

There's a scenario missing from your poll. If the driver in car A is as aware as they should be they will have moved in as far as is safe prior to car B's driver arriving and getting all flashy with the lights. That way car B can do the overtake as quickly and safely as possible, in the knowledge that their presence has been accounted for.
Car A can proceed without having some randomer with more confidence than skill sitting on their bumper getting all indignant.

Of course when they get to the bendy bits Car B will probably be holding everyone else up as the skillz only include straight line speed.

Rubberchikken

No.

Statistically unlikely everyone who drives up behind someone and flashes at them is going to the hosp/in an emergency situ.

More than likely they're jumped up jackas*es who bully people.

Slow down and wait to overtake safely and just cop on. Simple.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

daz1988 wrote: »

that's your opinion but the woman proved to be on the right hand side of the road and the car that was driving slow moved out to the middle she in the end was found guilty as cameras proved she caused it

all easily said of course,
Your earlier posts would tell a different story.

djimi

daz1988 wrote: »

that's your opinion but the woman proved to be on the right hand side of the road and the car that was driving slow moved out to the middle she in the end was found guilty as cameras proved she caused it

I dont really understand what youre saying here (your lack of grammer makes your posts unreadable), however if the slow moving car moved out while being overtaken then the other driver did not ram them. However, if the car doing the overtaking deliberately turned into the other car (as sounds like the case given the use of the term "ram") then she is a very dangerous driver and one who has no business being on the road regardless of what justification she might feel that she has.

tcawley29

Dermot Illogical wrote: »

There's a scenario missing from your poll. If the driver in car A is as aware as they should be they will have moved in as far as is safe prior to car B's driver arriving and getting all flashy with the lights. That way car B can do the overtake as quickly and safely as possible, in the knowledge that their presence has been accounted for.
Car A can proceed without having some randomer with more confidence than skill sitting on their bumper getting all indignant.

Of course when they get to the bendy bits Car B will probably be holding everyone else up as the skillz only include straight line speed.

Good point which I did not think of. However in this scenario I ment that car b was moving faster than car a in both straight and corners

daz1988

She went to the station eventually and was questioned she then went out to her car. In the front of the car she has a dash cam which showed that Car A was at fault as Car B pulled out and started to overtake Car A pulled out hit Car B and drove Car B into far side ditch woman went back to her sons bedside who is now Talking again

Cleveland Hot Pocket

djimi wrote: »

I dont really understand what youre saying here (your lack of grammer makes your posts unreadable), however if the slow moving car moved out while being overtaken then the other driver did not ram them. However, if the car doing the overtaking deliberately turned into the other car (as sounds like the case given the use of the term "ram") then she is a very dangerous driver and one who has no business being on the road regardless of what justification she might feel that she has.

Bemoans lack of grammar

-Posts longwinded post
-Misspelled Grammar as "grammer"

You win.

challengemaster

tcawley29 wrote: »

Correct however the cnut in front of her should not have been in the middle of the road.

I'm dubious about the "facts" considering the drivel the user is spouting (see below). However, lets consider what we know about this story - 80km/h country road.

If that's like a lot of the 80km/h country roads I know (and have driven on), they're not suitable for more than 60km/h and can only actually fit 1 car. You'd get 2 squeeze by each other at low speed. And there's no white lines painted anywhere.

I'm finding it hard to believe that anyone was straddling the centre line on a national secondary or regional road blocking someone from passing.

daz1988 wrote: »

that's your opinion but the woman proved to be on the right hand side of the road and the car that was driving slow moved out to the middle she in the end was found guilty as cameras proved she caused it

What the feck are you going on about? Cameras?

djimi

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Bemoans lack of grammar

-Posts longwinded post
-Misspelled Grammar as "grammer"

You win.

:pac:

I may not be able to spell, but I know how to use a comma and a full stop...

djimi

daz1988 wrote: »

She went to the station eventually and was questioned she then went out to her car. In the front of the car she has a dash cam which showed that Car A was at fault as Car B pulled out and started to overtake Car A pulled out hit Car B and drove Car B into far side ditch woman went back to her sons bedside who is now Talking again

So she didnt ram the car she was overtaking then?

Caliden

I'll pull as far left as possible and may even put 2 wheels in the hard should but I'm sure as **** not driving on the hard shoulder. Every bit of debris is in there and the road surface in the majority of cases is ****e.

If the road has a wide hard shoulder, chances are the driving lanes are massive as well, how much room do they need??

Cleveland Hot Pocket

djimi wrote: »

So she didnt ram the car she was overtaking then?

The guy changed his story midway through
He thought initially that we would side with his partner/mother (despite the ramming) due to the "mitigating" circumstances.
Having seen that we didn't, and she was rightfully criticized, suddenly the story changed.

daz1988

djimi wrote: »

So she didnt ram the car she was overtaking then?

Car A pulled out

Hit Car B

Car B Hit the ditch on the right hand side of the road

Car B put her foot to floor and pushed Car A out of the way as in ( RAM )

I am sorry writing on my Iphone does not help this matter

Dermot Illogical

Of course both Car A and Car B would have to stop, presumably in the hard shoulder, for option 2 in the poll.