employers who hire through jobbridge

biccies

Looking for opinions on a start up business taking someone on through job bridge, does it look bad? Its an IT business with one full time employee , can you give me your opinions please, thanks!!

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Yeah. You're worse than Hitler and you sicken my hole.

Buzz Killington the third

Job Bridge is exploitation at its finest!

darkpagandeath

Don't you need 10 people working in the business to employ 1 jobbridge person.

biccies

Great, thanks, I guess I may forget about it then so!!

elefant

biccies wrote: »

Looking for opinions on a start up business taking someone on through job bridge, does it look bad? Its an IT business with one full time employee , can you give me your opinions please, thanks!!

If it's a genuinely useful experience for the intern, maybe with job prospects afterwards, I can't think there could be any perceived problem with it.

If it's an internship to stack shelves and dig holes that's another story.

biccies

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Don't you need 10 people to employ 1 jobbridge person.

No, you can only employ one if you have up to ten staff but you just need one full time member of staff

Deco99

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Don't you need 10 people working in the business to employ 1 jobbridge person.

Huh? Never heard

Awkward Badger

I'd be wondering how you'd be able to mentor and train someone in your one man start up.

biccies

elefant wrote: »

If it's a genuinely useful experience for the intern, maybe with job prospects afterwards, I can't think there could be any perceived any problem with it.

If it's an internship to stack shelves and dig holes that's another story.

Its 100% genuine, just as I said its a startup and trying to get moving on it and there would be a position available if the employee is good at the job

darkpagandeath

Awkward Badger wrote: »

I'd be wondering how you'd be able to mentor and train someone in your one man start up.

No one checks, As far as I know you report back to FAS and if your moaning you don't fill out the form. If you say anything positive you are used as a statistic to say your jobbridge was successful.

The Backwards Man

Do whatever you can do to make your business succesful. Don't listen to the proletariat, it's not their capital you're spending.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

In all seriousness, it depends. If you're going to hire a recent graduate and it's a skilled role, job-bridge has it's uses, especially in a startup like yours.

If you're looking for somebody to clean your office and you hire them on a job-bridge placement, it's taking the pish and rightly frowned upon.

I couldn't look a fella in the eye of a friday if he'd done a weeks work for me and I hadn't paid him.

darkpagandeath

biccies wrote: »

Its 100% genuine, just as I said its a startup and trying to get moving on it and there would be a position available if the employee is good at the job

Is that not what you use Interviews for ? To check if the person is suitable and qualified ? Seems JB now is a 9 month interview, and at the end you get to interview someone else.

biccies

Awkward Badger wrote: »

I'd be wondering how you'd be able to mentor and train someone in your one man start up.

Don't you worry about that, I'd be looking for someone that is intuitive, enthusiastic about learning, able to work on own initiative etc. Its not for everyone .....

ScumLord

biccies wrote: »

Its 100% genuine, just as I said its a startup and trying to get moving on it and there would be a position available if the employee is good at the job

Well that's how jobbridge is supposed to work and there's nothing wrong with what you want to do. While there is a proportion of companies taking advantage if companies were doing what you're doing then it's a win, win for both parties.

B.A._Baracus

biccies wrote: »

Don't you worry about that, I'd be looking for someone that is intuitive, enthusiastic about learning, able to work on own initiative etc. will work for free .... Its not for everyone .....

I agree, it's not for everyone :pac:

SEPT 23 1989

The Pharisees of After Hours have spoken

biccies

ScumLord wrote: »

Well that's how jobbridge is supposed to work and there's nothing wrong with what you want to do. While there is a proportion of companies taking advantage if companies were doing what you're doing then it's a win, win for both parties.

Exactly what I'd be thinking, I'd just be worried about getting a bad name before really getting started. If anyone has any advice, perhaps has employed or been an employee though jobbridge if you could please private message me, thanks!!

miss no stars

It actually sounds pretty fair tbh, wasn't jobbridge supposed to be some sort of symbiosis where interns get experience and employers who are in a bit of a hole and can't afford an employee but need one can get the work and grow the business a bit, hopefully bringing in enough revenue to allow them to hire the person at the end of the 9 months?

Do it.

eviltwin

biccies wrote: »

Don't you worry about that, I'd be looking for someone that is intuitive, enthusiastic about learning, able to work on own initiative etc. Its not for everyone .....

The point of Jobsbridge is that the intern has someone who will mentor them, they are not meant to be hired and then left get on with it on their own.

miss no stars

eviltwin wrote: »

The point of Jobsbridge is that the intern has someone who will mentor them, they are not meant to be hired and then left get on with it on their own.

Ah now see an intern's level of supervision depends on their actual role and industry. Take my job (although I'm employed, not an intern). I'll be advertising for another person to have a very similar role to me. It's a graduate level position. You MUST be able to work on your own. Mentoring is there in that there's guidance whenever requested and plenty of help, but some people seem to think that mentoring means holding your hand all day long. It's not. It's someone looking in over your shoulder and making sure you're on the right track. Mentoring in many positions means making sure the person is getting experience at working independently and making decisions themselves while still having someone who's got their back.

biccies

eviltwin wrote: »

The point of Jobsbridge is that the intern has someone who will mentor them, they are not meant to be hired and then left get on with it on their own.

I'd never for one second think they'd b left on their own, the whole point is to train them up and have the best employees possible to male the business successful, I just wouldn't expect to take someone on that would need me looking over their shoulder all day

Awkward Badger

biccies wrote: »

Don't you worry about that, I'd be looking for someone that is intuitive, enthusiastic about learning, able to work on own initiative etc. Its not for everyone .....

You can look for the perfect employee all you like but what you're gonna get is an intern that you will have to train and mentor. Have you got the time and ability to do that given you've only got one full time employee ? If you can then I don't think it will look bad, it'll just be an intern getting experience in a start-up company that can't afford to hire a full time employee.

It will only look bad imo if you're clearly looking for someone to take up a full time position and the workload involved rather than an inexperienced intern. If it seems you get more than the intern.

eviltwin

biccies wrote: »

I'd never for one second think they'd b left on their own, the whole point is to train them up and have the best employees possible to male the business successful, I just wouldn't expect to take someone on that would need me looking over their shoulder all day

That's fair enough. If your intention is to genuinely help someone upskill then go for it. It's the employers who use it as free labour and couldn't give a feck about the person they hire who irk me.

biccies

Awkward Badger wrote: »

You can look for the perfect employee all you like but what you're gonna get is an intern that you will have to train and mentor. Have you got the time and ability to do that given you've only got one full time employee ? If you can then it won't look bad.

It will only look bad if you're clearly looking for someone to take up a full time position and the workload involved rather than an inexperienced intern.

I'm not looking for the perfect employee, I understand the terms etc and know how to treat people, so no problems there, just don't know any employer or employee who has gone through jobbridge and want to get as much info as possible

endacl

Awkward Badger wrote: »

I'd be wondering how you'd be able to mentor and train someone in your one man start up.

If it turns out to be a successful start up, I'd say it could be a great experience. Also, as a start up its unlikely the owner would be making a fortune for the first year or so, and there'd be little chance of having a resentful intern looking at the boss coining it in off their 'free labour'.

Job bridge could have been a great scheme. Unfortunately it was left to irish people to design and administer. Check out how those evil capitalist 'muricans do it...

http://www.yearup.org/

ammiem

Thats all on you and how you plan to treat the intern. Jobsbridge gets so much bad press and it seems 90% of the time its a complete sham. I did a human resource internship in a supermarket chain and ended up stacking shelves for 9 months But when Jobsbridge works it works! If your willing to take on someone with little or no experience and spend time and money training them and keep the option open to hire them in 6/9 months then I think go for it!

Awkward Badger

biccies wrote: »

I'm not looking for the perfect employee, I understand the terms etc and know how to treat people, so no problems there, just don't know any employer or employee who has gone through jobbridge and want to get as much info as possible

Might be better off posting here then if you're looking for a business perspective on it rather than what people in general will think of it. I think jobsbridge has a bad name but with IT the experience is always going to be valuable so I don't think it will be looked down on.

biccies

Great guys, thanks so much

Xios

biccies wrote: »

Looking for opinions on a start up business taking someone on through job bridge, does it look bad? Its an IT business with one full time employee , can you give me your opinions please, thanks!!

Why are you using jobsbridge? Why not just get a business partner that gets a share of your company? Fierce stingy of you to expect an intern to do half the work and get your company started for a bit of experience.

Bongalongherb

Why is the OP starting a business when he/she cannot even pay an employee a basic wage. It's the usual excuse to just hire an intern for free labour. Amazing, just start a business when you can't even afford to pay a basic wage.

miss no stars

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Why is the OP starting a business when he/she cannot even pay an employee a basic wage. It's the usual excuse to just hire an intern for free labour. Amazing, just start a business when you can't even afford to pay a basic wage.

With the hope of being able to pay a wage down the line?

biccies

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Why is the OP starting a business when he/she cannot even pay an employee a basic wage. It's the usual excuse to just hire an intern for free labour. Amazing, just start a business when you can't even afford to pay a basic wage.

LMAO at your ignorance, seriously!!!!

ScumLord

endacl wrote: »

If it turns out to be a successful start up, I'd say it could be a great experience.

It certainly would. Being one part of a small team that brought a company from nothing to success means a lot on a CV.

lertsnim

Scambridge

Bongalongherb

biccies wrote: »

LMAO at your ignorance, seriously!!!!

Look, you can't afford to start a business is my question, and this is correct because you already said you need an intern as you cannot pay a wage.

If you cannot afford to start a business then don't, and come back when you can afford to start one, and pay a basic wage.

Would you be LMAO at the intern as well ? with your reply.

DARK-KNIGHT

biccies wrote: »

Looking for opinions on a start up business taking someone on through job bridge, does it look bad? Its an IT business with one full time employee , can you give me your opinions please, thanks!!

Why not take an intern on and pay their wages? If there really is a position as you say invest in your company.....

As a 31 year old returning to full time college this September I am very sceptical of jobs bridge tbh.

professore

I would have taken your right arm off for a chance like that when I left college in the early 90's. Not for a stacking shelves internship mind you, but one like this where you will learn all aspects of the business and get at the very least experience and a good reference at the end of it.

People pay thousands to go to college, and here is something more valuable that they actually get paid for, and can't see it.

Clearly many companies are taking the p1ss, but I don't think the OP is one of those.

I think Jobbridge should have a few key changes:
1. You can't have experience in the area you are job bridging in.
2. You have to have relevant qualifications OR be taught a specific useful skill or set of skills that requires significant time (at least several weeks) to learn. Therefore stacking shelves or cleaning floors is not a skill.

biccies

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Look, you can't afford to start a business is my question, and this is correct because you already said you need an intern as you cannot pay a wage.

If you cannot afford to start a business then don't, and come back when you can afford to start one, and pay a basic wage.

Would you be LMAO at the intern as well ? with your reply.

Geez great advice, I'll give it up, sign on the dole and save the pennies until I can afford to pay someone a decent wage!!
Go and cop on, seriously!!!

Bongalongherb

biccies wrote: »

Geez great advice, I'll give it up, sign on the dole and save the pennies until I can afford to pay someone a decent wage!!
Go and cop on, seriously!!!

Well, pay the intern €200 per week or even a hundred as that is a reasonable request for you to do as an employer. At least the intern will have this extra bit of cash on top of their dole to manage with travel expenses and rent and the rest. At least give the intern something.

PS: you will be getting money from the government for taking on this intern, so why not pay the intern with this cash they give you ?, sounds reasonable.

CruelCoin

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Why is the OP starting a business when he/she cannot even pay an employee a basic wage. It's the usual excuse to just hire an intern for free labour. Amazing, just start a business when you can't even afford to pay a basic wage.

Socialist nonsense. The point of starting a business is not to employ people. The point is to create wealth for the owners, nothing more.

My guess is that the OP wants to use the money saved to re-invest into the business and hence drive growth a little. There is nothing wrong in looking at all the possible ways to do this.

NZ_2014

biccies wrote: »

Looking for opinions on a start up business taking someone on through job bridge, does it look bad? Its an IT business with one full time employee , can you give me your opinions please, thanks!!

Translation:

I`m looking for somebody to work for me, and I will pay them nothing; I can`t afford to pay them/I`d rather keep the money for myself. Can you give me your opinions please?

Bog Standard User

biccies wrote: »

Looking for opinions on a start up business taking someone on through job bridge, does it look bad? Its an IT business with one full time employee , can you give me your opinions please, thanks!!

pay someone a wage to do an honest day's work

ScumLord

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Well, pay the intern €200 per week or even a hundred as that is a reasonable request for you to do as an employer. At least the intern will have this extra bit of cash on top of their dole to manage with travel expenses and rent and the rest. At least give the intern something.

PS: you will be getting money from the government for taking on this intern, so why not pay the intern with this cash they give you ?, sounds reasonable.

The intern has no experience, you don't know if they can do the job, they're already getting money from the state (and will get more from the employer). The employer is taking a risk on an unknown. They could be bringing in someone who hasn't a clue and ends up slowing the business down.

If the intern proves themselves then they can be offered a full time job. I don't see anything wrong with that arrangement. It only becomes abuse if the intern does everything right and get let go to take on another intern.

Bongalongherb

@ biccies

Regarding my previous post... Can you not even afford to pay the intern an extra €100 on top of their dole ?. And if not, can you not even pay them €50 onto their dole. Surely this is possible.

biccies

ScumLord wrote: »

The intern has no experience, you don't know if they can do the job, they're already getting money from the state (and will get more from the employer). The employer is taking a risk on an unknown. They could be bringing in someone who hasn't a clue and ends up slowing the business down.

If the intern proves themselves then they can be offered a full time job. I don't see anything wrong with that arrangement. It only becomes abuse if the intern does everything right and get let go to take on another intern.

tbh I don't think some people understand what jobbridge is, got great info from this thread, all some people can see is the money, its souchore than that!! Thanks for all the replies

Bongalongherb

ScumLord wrote: »

The intern has no experience, you don't know if they can do the job, they're already getting money from the state (and will get more from the employer). The employer is taking a risk on an unknown. They could be bringing in someone who hasn't a clue and ends up slowing the business down.

If the intern proves themselves then they can be offered a full time job. I don't see anything wrong with that arrangement. It only becomes abuse if the intern does everything right and get let go to take on another intern.

I can obviously see clearly that the interested intern will gain IT experience, but the intern has bills and the rest as well, and I think it would be decent if the employer of this new business paid something as to help the intern out regarding travel and lunch expenses at least, but employers don't want to pay didly squat - zero to the intern. They want it all for nothing.

Bongalongherb

biccies wrote: »

tbh I don't think some people understand what jobbridge is, got great info from this thread, all some people can see is the money, its souchore than that!! Thanks for all the replies

Hang on a minute, other people have to live too, they pay bills just like you and eat just like you, but you want free labour to make as much money for yourself as possible on the backs of interns - free labour.

You have clearly shown that you have no understanding of jobbridge or the interns money situation trying to survive on the dole while making/building your business for free, give the intern something and try not to be like the rest of the greedy bunch of employers using this scheme.

Realt Dearg Sec

Bongalongherb wrote: »

@ biccies

Regarding my previous post... Can you not even afford to pay the intern an extra €100 on top of their dole ?. And if not, can you not even pay them €50 onto their dole. Surely this is possible.

They get fifty added to their dole. I thought that's exactly what jobbridge is? If the employer pays them extra they'd lose their entitlements.

ScumLord

Bongalongherb wrote: »

I can obviously see clearly that the interested intern will gain IT experience, but the intern has bills and the rest as well, and I think it would be decent if the employer of this new business paid something as to help the intern out regarding travel and lunch expenses at least, but employers don't want to pay didly squat - zero to the intern. They want it all for nothing.

That's not my understanding, as far as I know the employer does have to pay at least €50 to the intern and that's on top of their social payments.

The intern has a choice, sitting at home waiting for work or getting an extra €50 to build up work experience while they wait for a full time job.