Greyhound Waste Lock Out

BigBrownBear

Can't understand how this dispute is dragging on so long. Its getting increasingly nasty too
No group of workers is going to sign a form saying they'll accept a 35% pay cut or they can't work
However, assuming it goes to the LRC, there'll probably still be a significant wage cut and increased productivity recommended
How come Kieran Mulvey can intervene to try broker a deal for Fart Brooks but is totally silent when this is going on

kneemos

Not an honest to God clue.

jimgoose

We won't feel the Christmas now sure!

wretcheddomain

Put them back in their kennels, problem resolved.

The_Valeyard

Not nice for anyone involved.

Hope it gets sorted and everyone can return to work and earn a decent wage.

BigBrownBear

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Put them back in their kennels, problem resolved.

Ah Ha Ha Ha
You should be very proud of your comical skills:rolleyes:

Fr_Dougal

Why are the results hidden?

I support Citybin.

kneemos

Genuinely thought it wad about a dog track.

Sunnyisland

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Put them back in their kennels, problem resolved.

Only got this now,very good :-)

dundalkfc10

No greyhound racing, What am I going to do on my lunch break?

Usually a roll, and bookies and a few bets on T4 at Romford or Crayford in the early bags

RayM

In fairness, you'd need to be a proper sociopath not to support the workers on this one.

Sunnyisland

If someone could give a brief outline of the dispute it be nice.

Reindeer

Ban Greyhound racing.

ballsymchugh

why bring kieran mulvey's holiday arrangements into it?

Amirani

I'm not completely familiar with the details, but 35% does seem to be a fairly extreme sort of pay cut to be taking. Obviously if the company is being genuine with their financial troubles, it may be somewhat necessary. Anyone got any information on wage comparisons between Greyhound and their competitors?

Banjo String

realies wrote: »

If someone could give a brief outline of the dispute it be nice.

Heard your man on Newstalk the other morning, and tbh he didn't come across that well. (someone from greyhound)

Something along the lines of their business model not being viable anymore due to their over the odds wages and salaries.

Workers won't accept 35,%cuts even though this would still have them on much higher wages than other people in the same industry.

Something to do with unofficial strikes such as 12 bin lorries returned to base for toilet breaks and sick days on mass.

Competitors have been drafted in to sub contract what rubbish hasn't been collected, but they cannot go on like this long term.


I was flat out that particular morning with my phone ringing off the hook, so I might just have gotten some (possibly all of it) wrong though.

Still, as someone already said, not a nice predicament for either party.

Hootanany

Their Dad owned the Stardust Nuff said horrible family close ties to FF.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Why are the results hidden?

I hate that! So, I'm not telling.

Tail Docker

Hootanany wrote: »

Their Dad owned the Stardust Nuff said horrible family close ties to FF.

Whose dad?

BigBrownBear

Can some one make the poll public
Sorry I didn't mean it to be private

Hootanany

Tail Docker wrote: »

Whose dad?

Greyhounds owners

mikemac1

SIPTU advised the workers to apply for social welfare while the dispute drags on.

One applicant was told no and then they rejected everyone. They are not considered job seeking and rules are rules. DSP won't pay out to workers on strike.

Why can't SIPTU help with more strike pay though instead of telling their members to get money somewhat else

SIPTU have plenty of money!

Tail Docker

mikemac1 wrote: »

SIPTU advised the workers to apply for social welfare while the dispute drags on.

One applicant was told no and then they rejected everyone. They are not considered job seeking and rules are rules. DSP won't pay out to workers on strike.

Why can't SIPTU help with more strike pay though instead of telling their members to get money somewhat else

SIPTU have plenty of money!

It's SIPTUs money You are confusing them with someone who gives a damn about workers.

zool1974

It does seem like a huge drop in wages, and I don't have all the info, but it sounds really bad to take in other staff and just leave all the proper staff outside the gate. My local area are asking people to boycott greyhound and use someone else for the time being. They are not recommending any company, and they are not greyhound workers
They are just normal working class people who see this as bad news, as other companies can just start doing this too. I'm sure some of the workers have families and I doubt they are refusing to take any drop in wage, we all losing wages lately, but that's a huge amount. I wonder how the books look for greyhound, and how much the owners take every year.
I'm voting with my feet and leaving greyhound and going elsewhere. If they treat the staff with some decency and sort this mess out, then I will go back to them. People should make a stand. The government and unions are doing nothing. It's our turn.
To the greyhound staff on strike, I hope this gets sorted soon, and I hope you realise there are people behind you.

Retrovertigo

I feel sorry for the workers but Greyhound really made a balls of the transition. it's no wonder people went elsewhere. Having to hunt for your own bin is a novelty that wears off quickly.

grundie

Greyhound got greedy and used nasty tactics to try and extract more from it's customers.

When they took over the councils rubbish collection service they should have tried to butter up its customers and improve business efficiency gradually.

Instead they stuck tags on bins telling people they were in arrears and waited too long to improve efficiency by forcing a 35% wage cut on its staff.

I'm with the workers on this one.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

35 % is a big cut. Surely greyhound or their accountants saw this issue coming and could have taken more gentle action before now.

Frankie Lee

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

35 % is a big cut. Surely greyhound or there accountants saw this issue coming and could have taken more gentle action before now.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/shane-ross/shane-ross-stench-as-rubbish-firm-wins-26820749.html

Decent article from a couple of years ago from Shane Ross into the corruption ineptitude of giving Greyhound the contract for SDCC waste collection.

Lone Stone

Not a fan of greyhound, but i would support the workers a 35% cut in your wages is insane.

Annasopra

Please publish the poll result

darkpagandeath

Will upper management be taking the 35% cut as well, I have seen a lot of companies using the ahem "Recession" to get rid of highly paid people or cut wages. Just to cream higher profits as the prices they charge are still above Celtic tiger days.

conorhal

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Will upper management be taking the 35% cut as well, I have seen a lot of companies using the ahem "Recession" to get rid of highly paid people or cut wages. Just to cream higher profits as the prices they charge are still above Celtic tiger days.

Na, as with every race to the bottom the senior management and directors will no doubt award themselves handsome pay raises and bonuses for achieving cost reduction targets and increasing profitability.

BigBrownBear

workers...........51.85%
Management............16.65%
Neither its all about compromise...........12.96%
Don't care............18.52%

Can anyone let me know how to make the poll public. Didn't mean to have it private

Tony EH

There's 16% supporting the management? :eek:

Fucking hell. :rolleyes:

The privatisation of waste collection has been a bloody disaster and a prime example of why important public utilities and services should NEVER be put into private hands.

Capt'n Midnight

Used to be with SDCC , then Greyhound, ridiculous number of times that bins weren't collected.

Moved to Citybin years ago and no problems since.

Are these the same workers who used to work for the council ?

Yes I sympathise with the pay cut but at the back of my mind is the memory of having full bins uncollected and having to leave black plastic bags in the back garden.

As for Greyhound management , always got a bad vibe off them.


BTW:
Did they ever find out who set fire to the Citybin trucks ?
http://www.thejournal.ie/city-bin-co-trucks-fire-718665-Dec2012/

Teyla Emmagan

If Greyhound's service wasn't so sh*te and their treatment of customers so appalling, they wouldn't have lost so may clients. Which would mean that no one would need a pay cut. They bought out DCC's entire book of business and they have lost god knows how much of it to competitors because they made such a hames out of managing it. They basically had the goose that lays the golden eggs and they let it fly away. Realistically they should just shut down. They are still going to hemorrhage customers the way they are going. It'll be 35% now (a insane ask) and redundancies after.

Teyla Emmagan

Tony EH wrote: »

The privatisation of waste collection has been a bloody disaster and a prime example of why important public utilities and services should NEVER be put into private hands.

Absolute disaster. DCC picked up the bins at the same time every week like clockwork. And they picked them up even when the flipping charges hadn't been paid. Without expecting you to pull them down the bend and around the corner where it would be more convenient for their staff.

Now the bin collection day has finally been co-ordinated, but there are still people leaving out their brown bin because next door has, forgetting that its actually green bin week. So bins all over the place, in more colours than the rainbow. And five different trucks going up and down the street instead of one. And not mention abandoned bins (ID scraped off but full of rubbish) being pushed onto main streets because people can't pay for their waste collection charges. And then none of the feckers will turn up to remove the rubbish claiming that it's not their bin.

I am not for the free market, or whatever this represents.

bucketybuck

Banjo String wrote: »

Workers won't accept 35,%cuts even though this would still have them on much higher wages than other people in the same industry.

Not sure why so many people glibly ignore this point, its as if facts aren't important in the world of recreational outrage.

The waste industry is notoriously cutthroat, any company that is paying more than 35% above the industry average in wages simply isn't going to survive. There isn't a company in the world that would let that state of affairs continue and you are naive if you think otherwise.

By all accounts the Greyhound workers would still be getting more pay than any of their rival companies, but instead they opted to strike. Hope they are willing to live and die by their principles because that is the type of action that sees a company shut down and them all to lose their jobs.

Tony EH wrote: »

There's 16% supporting the management? :eek:

Fucking hell. :rolleyes:

Imagine that, management making management decisions.

Tony EH

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Absolute disaster. DCC picked up the bins at the same time every week like clockwork.

And that's why it needs to go back under that type of control.

I can't remember a single issue when the council collected the bins. Put the bin out on Thursday, it was collected on Friday, no problems.

Dublin is beginning to stink with uncollected bins. It'll be like Napoli here soon.

Tony EH

bucketybuck wrote: »

Imagine that, management making management decisions.

Bollocks talk.

I wonder if their "decisions" are affecting their own pockets.

:pac:

They and the customer would be better off if they were making decisions that helped the company run better and in a more honest fashion.

bucketybuck

Tony EH wrote: »

Bollocks talk.

I wonder if their "decisions" are affecting their own pockets.

:pac:

They and the customer would be better off if they were making decisions that helped the company run better and in a more honest fashion.

Don't be so naive.

If the current wage base is unsustainable then the best decision the management can make is to address that issue.

I haven't seen Greyhounds accounts but if they are paying their staff more then 35% above the industry average in a competitive industry then they would be negligent in not addressing that.

That is a decision that will help the company run better.

Tony EH

bucketybuck wrote: »

Don't be so naive.

It's not me being naive. Greyhound has been a joke of a company from the beginning. It's run dreadfully and this is just another example of that.

bucketybuck

Tony EH wrote: »

It's not me being naive. Greyhound has been a joke of a company from the beginning. It's run dreadfully and this is just another example of that.

Maybe it has been run dreadfully. Attempting to get a handle on what are clearly excessive wage costs seems like a good place to start running it correctly.

Tony EH

Who says it's "clearly excessive" ?

bucketybuck

Tony EH wrote: »

Who says it's "clearly excessive" ?

You cannot be serious?

Paying more than 35% higher wage costs than equivalent companies in the same city is excessive and a terrible business practice. If this needs to be explained to you then we will leave it there because its an incredibly obvious point.

Tony EH

Who's saying it's "clearly excessive" ?

If it's the management, I don't give fuck, frankly, as they've long proven their inability to run anything with any kind of honesty.

bucketybuck

Tony EH wrote: »

Who's saying it's "clearly excessive" ?

If it's the management, I don't give fuck, frankly, as they've long proven their inability to run anything with any kind of honesty.

Reality says its clearly excessive, stop trying to argue with reality.

Tony EH

Greyhound don't give a fuck about their staff, or their customers, or the business they've been handed.

They care only about the bottom line and stuffing the pockets of the top tier and as such they're not not to be trusted in anything they say or do.

There's your reality.

grundie

Greyhounds staff salaries may be excessive, but Greyhound agreed to that when they took over the bin service from the council.

A smarter business would have only taken over the council bin service if wage costs were much lower since they can't force a wage cut under TUPE rules. Greyhound made a very poor business decision and now the collection staff and their customers are paying for it.

bucketybuck

Tony EH wrote: »

Greyhound don't give a fuck about their staff, or their customers, or the business they've been handed.

They care only about the bottom line and stuffing the pockets of the top tier and as such they're not not to be trusted in anything they say or do.

There's your reality.

You seem to have an awful chip on your shoulder with regard to what a business actually is. A business is not evil because it tries to maximise its profits, because unless Greyhound is a charity (it ain't) maximising profits is kinda what a business is supposed to do.

Now there are of course ethical concerns in how they do that, ie: not abusing slave labour or paying less than minimum wage. But heres the thing, paying 35% more than the industry average is a long way from abusing the minimum wage.

After the 35% reduction Greyhound will still be paying their staff more than any of the competition. This is actually an amazing statistic that people seemingly want to ignore for some reason.

Just consider for one second that these were civil servants, and the government wanted to implement parity in pay structures for the same reasons, I have no doubt people like you would be all for it. They would be overpaid wasters no doubt, but for some reason you have a different opinion about the Greyhound workers.

Frankly you are letting your own prejudices affect your objectivity here.

Tony EH

Ha ha...

Are you really trying to tell people that Greyhound is a good business.

Don't talk shite. :pac: