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My.testicals

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Alright, I concede defeat. Two peoples personal anecdotes and one other persons gut feeling obviously trumps medical science. I got it all wrong.

Ok a question for you, what if a more in depth study is done and it finds that their is a correlation between drug use in pregnancy and problems in the child which one will you believe

dar100

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Alright, I concede defeat. Two peoples personal anecdotes and one other persons gut feeling obviously trumps medical science. I got it all wrong.

Your research is not reliable or valid. It certainly is not medical science.

Also there are far to many variables to account for in this study to make a conclusive call.

If I writes a book claiming the sun is the causality of all human suffering does that mean it's true?, hardly

whirlpool

I'm sorry, are we meant to be taking the OP seriously considering this post he just made about balls?

My.testicals wrote: »

Suck em

Baby

Anyway OP you could at least start with learning about question marks before getting into heavy stuff like laws protecting unborn babies.

My.testicals

whirlpool wrote: »

I'm sorry, are we meant to be taking the OP seriously considering this post he just made about balls?



Anyway OP you could at least start with learning about question marks before getting into heavy stuff like laws protecting unborn babies.

Seen as though we are being pedantic!! I didn't just make that comment it was made nearly 3 hours ago.

What has question marks got to do with anything. If you do not like the way I structure my posts then the simple thing to do is not give it the time of day.

Why did you bother posting if my grammar is not up to your acceptable standards ?

whirlpool

My.testicals wrote: »

Seen as though we are being pedantic!! I didn't just make that comment it was made nearly 3 hours ago.

What has question marks got to do with anything. If you do not like the way I structure my posts then the simple thing to do is not give it the time of day.

Why did you bother posting if my grammar is not up to your acceptable standards ?

There ye go! Next step: child protection laws!

generalmental

whirlpool wrote: »

There ye go! Next step: child protection laws!

Sum ppl

ceadaoin.

My.testicals wrote: »

You see she never really says alot. she has problems with her speech and well lets just say i have been "Studying" her for the last 8 years since i became her legal guardian, so as far as I am concerned I believe what is in front of my own eyes and not what a study says.

Poor girl is 10 years of age and my 4 year old daughter is MUCH taller than her. She is in and out of hospital all the time, She will never ever be able to have as a single drink because she will be addicted.

She was having headaches all the time and I couldt figure out why until one of the Doctors figured she was actually addicted to MIWADI.

But the yanks said different so I must be lying

Sorry, what? Addicted to miwadi? And this causing actual withdrawal symptoms? How does that work exactly? I find it hard to believe that a doctor would diagnose a 10 year old with an orange cordial addiction!


And how could they possibly know that she will be addicted after one drink?

BeerWolf

I'd be all up for it - if the person's taking drugs they're clearly unfit to be a mother as they're placing their unborn in harms way.

Corkgirl210

my.testicals.. I have sincere compassion for you & understand your frustrations.. I had a relative born with withdrawals.. however, she is a brilliant thriving very intelligent child. It seems it may be case specific..

I do agree with you, that there should be some type of intervention but in a caring/compassionate way... the mother I am speaking about went on to have more children... and again they were kept in for a week after birth to cope with withdrawals.. this time spent in hospital I believe should be spent educating the mother so that it does not happen again... as well as taking a proactive approach to addiction.. it would certainly be a good time to try some sort of intervention... lets face reality... many would simply go back to their old ways.. but there maybe SOME who may surrender..

Our health system is reactive and not proactive and unfortunately our archaic health system may change but no time soon... meanwhile we all have to cope with the lack of system.

Addicts are people too, who are sick (it is a physical disease coupled with a mental obsession).. they need help & understanding also.. they don't need punishment.. their daily life of existing and not living is punishment on a daily basis! If an addict had cancer instead of drug addiction, they would have all the sympathy in the world... how many other diseases out there are inherited in some shape or form from their parents? IMHO Lots!!

Well done on taking on the responsibility of this child.. I have another relative who is physically disabled and personally understand how much of a strain it can be.

prizefighter

My.testicals wrote: »

You see she never really says alot. she has problems with her speech and well lets just say i have been "Studying" her for the last 8 years since i became her legal guardian, so as far as I am concerned I believe what is in front of my own eyes and not what a study says.

Poor girl is 10 years of age and my 4 year old daughter is MUCH taller than her. She is in and out of hospital all the time, She will never ever be able to have as a single drink because she will be addicted.

She was having headaches all the time and I couldt figure out why until one of the Doctors figured she was actually addicted to MIWADI.

But the yanks said different so I must be lying

Addicted to Miwadi?! Ahhh come on. How exactly did the doctors pin point Miwadi as the source of the addiction related headaches?!

Maximus Alexander

My.testicals wrote: »

Ok a question for you, what if a more in depth study is done and it finds that their is a correlation between drug use in pregnancy and problems in the child which one will you believe

Are you... seriously suggesting that we should just ignore science for now in case we get better at it later?

Corkgirl210

prizefighter wrote: »

Addicted to Miwadi?! Ahhh come on. How exactly did the doctors pin point Miwadi as the source of the addiction related headaches?!

Sounds viable to me.. How many people get caffeine withdrawal related headaches?

Maybe the child is sensitive to chemicals.. would shine some light on the original question of disability... maybe she is sensitive to the preservatives, E numbers etc?

prizefighter

Rayanne2010 wrote: »

Sounds viable to me.. How many people get caffeine withdrawal related headaches?

Maybe the child is sensitive to chemicals.. would shine some light on the original question of disability... maybe she is sensitive to the preservatives, E numbers etc?

Caffeine is a bit different to Miwadi. Either way a sensitivity to preservatives does not imply an addiction?! I think if a child was 'addicted' to Miwadi, their obvious consumption of copious amounts of it would be a give away. So am I to assume that the implication of this child's addiction is that she inherited addictive tendencies from her drug addled mother?! If so I'm not sure inheriting addictive personality traits through genetics can be blamed on drug use.

kylith

My.testicals wrote: »

But you are spouting from a study whereas some people have 1st hand experience of it and you are saying that we are wrong

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'. If for every child that has been negatively effected by drug use during pregnancy there are 999 children that are no worse off than if their mother wasn't a junkie that would mean that your anecdote accounts for 0.1%, which is a pretty insignificant amount.*

prizefighter wrote: »

Caffeine is a bit different to Miwadi. Either way a sensitivity to preservatives does not imply an addiction?! I think if a child was 'addicted' to Miwadi, their obvious consumption of copious amounts of it would be a give away. So am I to assume that the implication of this child's addiction is that she inherited addictive tendencies from her drug addled mother?! If so I'm not sure inheriting addictive personality traits through genetics can be blamed on drug use.

It is possible to be psychologically addicted to something but I have to say that I'm dubious about a MiWadi 'addiction'. I'd more put it down as 'drinking too much MiWadi'.

* Numbers are pulled out of my arse simply to illustrate that one or two people's experience does not negate the outcome of scientific studies. I have seen someone say that that particular study is flawed, and if it is then it should be questioned because of that, not because one person's personal experience might differ from the findings. Also it seems that that study focussed on 'crack babies', and wouldn't necessarily reflect the children of heroin (etc.) users.

Corkgirl210

prizefighter wrote: »

Caffeine is a bit different to Miwadi. Either way a sensitivity to preservatives does not imply an addiction?! I think if a child was 'addicted' to Miwadi, their obvious consumption of copious amounts of it would be a give away. So am I to assume that the implication of this child's addiction is that she inherited addictive tendencies from her drug addled mother?! If so I'm not sure inheriting addictive personality traits through genetics can be blamed on drug use.

Many studies may disagree:
children of parents who abuse drugs may inherit a genetic predisposition (or greater likelihood) for addiction.
Scientists have discovered a gene that causes alcoholism or addiction etc.