Beef General Thread

Reggie. · 15-10-2014 04:12PM

AP2014 wrote: »

Not if your buying. I'll have to get in early next year so. May buy early Feb and get a few bales of hay off a neighbour.

Ah but I'm selling so that's ok

Nettleman · 15-10-2014 04:12PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Ah but I'm selling so that's ok

+1

AP2014 · 15-10-2014 05:05PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Ah but I'm selling so that's ok

Ah sure no crisis anyway!

Reggie. · 15-10-2014 05:18PM

AP2014 wrote: »

Ah sure no crisis anyway!

So I heard

AP2014 · 15-10-2014 05:20PM

Reggie. wrote: »

So I heard

Like the budget yesterday, the good times have returned.

on the river · 15-10-2014 05:23PM

AP2014 wrote: »

Like the budget yesterday, the good times have returned.

for you, without question

AP2014 · 15-10-2014 05:46PM

on the river wrote: »

for you, without question

Ha, the beef recession never hit me. Don't plan on getting stung now either

on the river · 15-10-2014 05:56PM

AP2014 wrote: »

Ha, the beef recession never hit me. Don't plan on getting stung now either

thought so. your too smart and conservative for the factories.;)

Limestone Cowboy · 15-10-2014 05:56PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

At this stage it is likly that kill will drop fast at some stage pre Christmas. Nearly 130k cattle extra kill compared to last year. Hard to believe it is continuing so long. Demand must be very strong as usually processors in a case like this would be limiting kill by backing up cattle.

Maybe the good summer has caused older cattle that migh hang around to finish but 30K above normal numbers is unusual. Cows and Bulls very scarse so it all steers and Heifers taht are making up numbers. Anybody with 2013 cattle should be holding them as long as possible

I have 9 16-17 month old store heifers around 450kg left over from last year Pudsey, had planned on moving them on fairly soon but would be able to hold them till after Xmas if I thought the trade would pick up for them?? Prices for similar stock I have seen selling weren't too hectic. Might keep the best 3 and breed them aswell.

TITANIUM. · 15-10-2014 05:57PM

AP2014 wrote: »

Ha, the beef recession never hit me. Don't plan on getting stung now either

No one ever does.

I suppose it'll depend on what happens with the factory price between here and then. There's only so much finishing men can take. It's bound to trickle down.

AP2014 · 15-10-2014 06:01PM

TITANIUM. wrote: »

No one ever does.

I suppose it'll depend on what happens with the factory price between here and then. There's only so much finishing men can take. It's bound to trickle down.

They have taken serious blows but seem happy to use their sfp to cushion this. Looking at weanling prices and store prices now looks like they are going to give it a bash for another year.

I can't understand it but it keeps fellas like me afloat so can't argue too much.

on the river · 15-10-2014 06:05PM

AP2014 wrote: »

They have taken serious blows but seem happy to use their sfp to cushion this. Looking at weanling prices and store prices now looks like they are going to give it a bash for another year.

I can't understand it but it keeps fellas like me afloat so can't argue too much.

Is that all sfp means to you ? a cushion.
Surely you invest some for it back into the farm.

AP2014 · 15-10-2014 06:08PM

on the river wrote: »

Is that all sfp means to you ? a cushion.
Surely you invest some for it back into the farm.

It ain't a cushion for me, it goes into the farm account until I see what happens in 2019. I don't run a big farm so no need for big investment. If any investment needed it comes from farm profits or doesn't get done.

on the river · 15-10-2014 06:11PM

AP2014 wrote: »

It ain't a cushion for me, it goes into the farm account until I see what happens in 2019. I don't run a big farm so no need for big investment. If any investment needed it comes from farm profits or doesn't get done.

Fair enough. However basic maintenance on handling facilities and sheds not
be a factor.

Farmer Pudsey · 15-10-2014 06:14PM

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I have 9 16-17 month old store heifers around 450kg left over from last year Pudsey, had planned on moving them on fairly soon but would be able to hold them till after Xmas if I thought the trade would pick up for them?? Prices for similar stock I have seen selling weren't too hectic. Might keep the best 3 and breed them aswell.

Mart prices are way ahead of factory prices. I was referring to 2013 cattle that were finishing and would be underage for a 6+ months. Anybody with such cattle that are sending them to slaughter is shortsighted as they will climb strongly.

Brass Tag wrote: »

Sold my dirty arse weanlings (another thread) out of the yard to fella who buys 600 weanlings every fall.
€2.70kg fully weaned already. I have to hang on to them for 9 or 10 days till he collects.
Anyway, he's intending on buying a lot more than normal this fall, as he reckons cattle for grass next spring will be very dear. Demand to well outstrip supply he estimates.

Not too sure if he will have much of a margin on such cattle. Buying 350 kg weanlings at 2.7/kg after haulage and maybe mart fees is 950/head. Even at 280kgs they make 760. Allow 175 to get to next march( you have to have a very very tight ship in reality over 200 may be necessary) them calves would need to be making 1200 and 1000 to have a margin. I think at present farmers are overpaying even considering outlook.

AP2014 · 15-10-2014 06:16PM

on the river wrote: »

Fair enough. However basic maintenance on handling facilities and sheds not
be a factor.

Of course, but the crush stands and so does the walls around it, I don't see myself needing to maintain it for awhile yet. They will be standing next year as well. Only haysheds and few cow sheds. Same scenario, rarely used.

AP2014 · 15-10-2014 06:18PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Mart prices are way ahead of factory prices. I was referring to 2013 cattle that were finishing and would be underage for a 6+ months. Anybody with such cattle that are sending them to slaughter is shortsighted as they will climb strongly.

Pudsey, I have a few 17/18 month olds to go to mart. Do you reckon prices will pick up for these kind of stock if I hold off for another few weeks.

on the river · 15-10-2014 06:23PM

AP2014 wrote: »

Of course, but the crush stands and so does the walls around it, I don't see myself needing to maintain it for awhile yet. They will be standing next year as well. Only haysheds and few cow sheds. Same scenario, rarely used.

Talk about conservatism :rolleyes:

TUBBY · 15-10-2014 06:26PM

on the river wrote: »

Talk about conservatism :rolleyes:

Not this again lads....

AP2014 · 15-10-2014 06:29PM

on the river wrote: »

Talk about conservatism :rolleyes:

If it ain't broke don't fix it! I may get a grant in a few years for maintaining it anyway.

on the river · 15-10-2014 06:39PM

AP2014 wrote: »

If it ain't broke don't fix it! I may get a grant in a few years for maintaining it anyway.

That's not sustainable . when is the farm going to pay for itself.

AP2014 · 15-10-2014 06:47PM

on the river wrote: »

That's not sustainable . when is the farm going to pay for itself.

Its a bloody crush, it's sustainable, it ain't going anywhere for a few years. The farm is paying for itself now because I'm not bloody painting crushes and knocking and rebuilding crush walls every year.

sandydan · 15-10-2014 07:11PM

on the river wrote: »

That's not sustainable . when is the farm going to pay for itself.

dont tell us your get worried about things like that and it aint even Xmas week yet. money is made round to go around, that's why they got rid of the 50 pence coins:rolleyes:

Brass Tag · 15-10-2014 07:26PM

AP2014 wrote: »

Its a bloody crush, it's sustainable, it ain't going anywhere for a few years. The farm is paying for itself now because I'm not bloody painting crushes and knocking and rebuilding crush walls every year.

You seem to have a unique business model. If I understand your situation from the various threads you have contributed to, your farm does not need maintenance, it doesn't require fencing, it doesn't require any fertilizer to speak of ( even in the absence of slurry), you don't / can't administer injections, it required very little if any labour input from yourself, etc etc!
If you ever decide to have an open day I would like to attend, to get an education. I could seriously do with having my eyes opened.

AP2014 · 15-10-2014 07:33PM

Brass Tag wrote: »

You seem to have a unique business model. If I understand your situation from the various threads you have contributed to, your farm does not need maintenance, it doesn't require fencing, it doesn't require any fertilizer to speak of ( even in the absence of slurry), you don't / can't administer injections, it required very little if any labour input from yourself, etc etc!
If you ever decide to have an open day I would like to attend, to get an education. I could seriously do with having my eyes opened.

I'm thinking of having one....maybe I'll float it at the farming forum xmas party. Dont twist things though....I have fences and I do fertilize. An hr input on a saturday

Feckthis · 15-10-2014 07:44PM

AP2014 wrote: »

I'm thinking of having one....maybe I'll float it at the farming forum xmas party. Dont twist things though....I have fences and I do fertilize. An hr input on a saturday

Just curious. How many acres are you farming AP?

AP2014 · 15-10-2014 07:45PM

Feckthis wrote: »

Just curious. How many acres are you farming AP?

30....I'm part part time. Dry stock so it ain't alot of work.

just do it · 15-10-2014 08:48PM

Charliebull wrote: »

how reliable is the gestation length for HCA and FTY on ICBF website

HCA is showing 286-289 days, I have a heifer 279 days in calf to him

FTY is showing 288-290 days, I have a heifer 274 days in calf to him

4 FTY calves here in last few weeks and I'd say the cow influence is important. Gestations - 275, 284, 292, & 301. First 3 were handy slips of calves that fill out quickly once born. Other one was a good bit larger and back end needed some help with the jack. 3 of them were bull calves.

towzer2010 · 15-10-2014 11:53PM

just do it wrote: »

4 FTY calves here in last few weeks and I'd say the cow influence is important. Gestations - 275, 284, 292, & 301. First 3 were handy slips of calves that fill out quickly once born. Other one was a good bit larger and back end needed some help with the jack. 3 of them were bull calves.

Did you use any other maternal Lims?
FTY's docility would be a problem for me. I used EFZ hoping for heifers and only got one.

I said · 17-10-2014 01:38AM

Moved cattle into new paddock yesterday when I counted today the followed me to the gate as if they were hungry and looking for fresh grass.
Loads of grazing left in paddock leafy grass so are they lacking something from this paddock?
Lots of rain last few days should I supplement with meal from now until I stick them in the shed.

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