Tekken 7 Discussion Thread

Ixayek_usurper

BigStupidGuy wrote: »

... He does seem like he might be meant to replace Miguel doesn't he?

Yeah, I get that vibe too man.
Kinda sucks as I was planning on picking up Mig for T7.

Also,
Did any of you notice that Lee has also not been appearing in any of the little promo stuff or the T7 location test? ALso that Maxwell has has lee's standing 4?
I've a feeling he's gone too.
And, I really wouldn't be surprised if bruce and bob we're chopped also.

This sucks for me as I want to look into a new male character but all the ones that interested me are either (as of yet) unconfirmed for T7 or look like they'll be getting the axe!! :mad:

BigStupidGuy

The new male characters look good though? Better than the females I think. BTW I don't have any new PM's?

Macal

Ixayek_usurper wrote: »

Yeah, I get that vibe too man.
Kinda sucks as I was planning on picking up Mig for T7.

Also,
Did any of you notice that Lee has also not been appearing in any of the little promo stuff or the T7 location test? ALso that Maxwell has has lee's standing 4?
I've a feeling he's gone too.
And, I really wouldn't be surprised if bruce and bob we're chopped also.

This sucks for me as I want to look into a new male character but all the ones that interested me are either (as of yet) unconfirmed for T7 or look like they'll be getting the axe!! :mad:

I don't think the standing 4 argument is really any reason to suggest that Lee is leaving, a lot of chars like Law, Bruce, Bryan, Wang and others already have a standing 4 that's i11 and a CH launcher.

Namco seem to be getting rid of chars that share similar movesets with another, bar Mishimas. Lee may possibly be gotten rid of for sharing some moves with Law but on the other hand if they're focusing on the story T7 being the "final battle" of the Mishimas it would be a bit strange to not have him featured. If Lee was popular enough to be in the T4 roster, I would say he'll remain.

Bryan has received Bruce's b+1+2, and the inclusion of Katarina as another kickboxer is evidence to suggest that he won't be in. The whole Shaheen and Miguel looking like each other will probably less of an issue when we get to see some Shaheen gameplay, he'll likely have a very different fighting style and personality compared to Mig. Everyone seems to love him anyway.

As for Bob, he's fine to stay as long as he gets nerfed to an acceptable level. I honestly don't think anyone actually likes Bob from an aesthetic standpoint and he's only popular for how strong he's been in both T6 and TTT2.

Mathrew

T6 is quite good for me, T7 should satisfy me, hopefully.

Fergus_

To me, the chars that made it in T4 (from T1-T3) will definitely be in T7.

Yoshimitsu, Julia, Nina, Eddy(or maybe Christie), Jin, Kuma, Lee, and Lei will all make it imo

Ixayek_usurper

Macal wrote: »

I don't think the standing 4 argument is really any reason to suggest that Lee is leaving

It aint the standing 4 alone neil.
It's the fact that he's not appeared on any of the chibi release stickers or any location test coupled with this, and the fact that originally he ws just a law clone. You could argue that he has a bit more significance story wise than a lot of the other clone characters though, that's for sure.

Macal wrote: »

.. a lot of chars like Law, Bruce, Bryan, Wang and others already have a standing 4 that's i11 and a CH launcher.

It's the fact that Maxwells standing 4 animation is the exact same one as the one used for lee. Not the fact that he has a magic 4.

Macal wrote: »

Bryan has received Bruce's b+1+2, and the inclusion of Katarina as another kickboxer is evidence to suggest that he won't be in.

Yah, I would go along with that logic.

Macal wrote: »

As for Bob, he's fine to stay as long as he gets nerfed to an acceptable level.

That's the thing though isn't it?
They can't seem to balance him.

Overall, it seem's A LOT of the top tier characters are being killed off.
This will force a lot of ppl to main other characters (most likely their sub-team's from TTT2) and I really believe it will be good for the game over all.
Here's hoping

@Gus:
Why do you say "definitely"?

Fergus_

They feel like staple characters, Nina and Yoshi should be in at least, I really can't see them not being in a tekken game.

But then again, Kazuya wasn't in T3.

Macal

Bob has three things where he is too good in: range, tracking and safety.

The general rule of thumb is that Tekken chars that have good tracking suffer from being vulnerable to backdash (Steve, Law) and the chars that have good range have a weak side to exploit (Jack, Marduk). Bob ignores this rule, as well as his great range, he has both df+1 and b+2 to track to either way. With one of those moves, if not both needs to be nerfed in it's tracking. Lars df+1 in T6 apparently had very good tracking, now in TTT2 it's pretty iffy. Just apply that to Bob. Nerf his jab range to that of Slim Bob and you're making a start.

Here is a list of his safe (or safer) moves that should be unsafe(r) in T7; ff+2(make it -12 or 13, Drag's ff+2 in Tag 2 is also unsafe so I don't see why Bob gets away) ss+1+2 (very similar to Kazama ss+2, make it -12) and uf+3(make -14, has far too good range, crushing and tracking to be only-13), db+3+4 should stagger on block again like in T6. And now Bob's a fair character.

BigStupidGuy

It would be really weird to have a tekken game without Hei, Kaz, king, kuma, paul, law, nina, yoshi, chang...

More lately a Kazama, jin, Hoa, steve, capo..

Everyone else I could imagine being cut. Again I really like the new designs, except for that Catalina one.

Fergus_

I think Bob's ff2 is ok but ss1+2 is ridiculous, why is the opponent crouching and he isn't on top of being super evasive and safe?

Fergus_

I think DEWGF is the move that really really needs nerfing, it should not be able to track SWL like that.

BigStupidGuy

I wish they would simplify the rules for tracking. Left limbs track left, right ones track right.... that's the way it should be IMO. Things like capo df2 and EWGF break these rules making it annoyingly complex.

Ixayek_usurper

Great assesment Neil. :thumbsup:
Would also add, that the fact that bob's d/f+1 also has and extension (whichs give's a CH gut stun) ASWELL-AS tracking to his left makes his d/f+1 even more OP.
Also, his shoryuken tracks a stupid amount to his right!

Ramza

DF1 FOR LIFE (A.KING)

Macal

So you might have heard that it's been confirmed arcade cabinets of T7 with controller ports will be at EVO this year.

Thoughts?

BigStupidGuy

It's great news! Good for the game and gamers alike. I suppose the bad news is that it means T7 wont be on console for while yet.

Fergus_

Did the TTT2 thread get deleted? I can't find it

EDIT: Nvm...weird

Macal

Tekken Crash is returning next week with a Tekken 7 arcade tournament with 4 teams of 3.

Team A: Knee(Bryan), Narak(Paul), Naengmyun(Katarina)
Team B: Ji3moon Ace(Kazuya), Malgu(Law), Help Me(Dragunov)
Team C: Only Practice(Lars), Feng(Hao), Chanel(Alisa)
Team Hankuma(Leo), JDCR(Heihachi), Saint(Arab<lol>)

So we'll be seeing Shaheen in action next week.

Fergus_

Weird to see Knee not teaming up with Chanel

Hankuma has/had the best Leo in the world, but he had to switch to Bears T_T but sick to see his Leo again

Ixayek_usurper

SWEEEET!
Really looking forward to seeing J13moon Aces Kaz, Malgu's law (best T6br law IMO) and Saint playing Shaheen should be interesting.
Saint is such a calculated and annoying player, I love him! haha!

Macal

a date for the soft release of the arcade version has been confirmed: Feb 18th.

Forest Demon

Any word on Baek? Is he cut?

Macal

Forest Demon wrote: »

Any word on Baek? Is he cut?

No confirmation. But there is a lot of evidence to suggest that he won't be in the game.

Baek was one of the returning T2 characters in T5 and DR. Other returning T2 chars like Bruce and Armor King have had some of their moves transferred to other chars in T7 like Bryan now having Bruce's b1+2, suggesting that neither him or Armor King will be in T7. I haven't seen Hwoarang use any of Baek's moves in his T7 incarnation, but Hwoarang has so many moves in command list that it's probably unnecessary to give him any of Baek's moves.

Baek is also one of the least used chars in Tag 2 as well, as he's pretty weak for how execution-heavy he is. Pretty much the polar opposite of Bob.

Macal

New info, from JDCR.

Devil Kazuya has a MID godfist.

Kazuya can turn devil when rage is activated and it will cost (?) rage to transform.

This new mid EWGF is -10 on block.

Transforming to Devil spends rage.

Thoughts?

Ixayek_usurper

Macal wrote: »

No confirmation..... I haven't seen Hwoarang use any of Baek's moves in his T7 incarnation, but Hwoarang has so many moves in command list that it's probably unnecessary to give him any of Baek's moves.

In the latest trailer Hwo uses Baek's f+3.
It's been speculated that it's a replacement for Hwo's current LFS b+3.

Also,
Considering Harada was speaking recently about how the Koreans didn't want a new female but rather a handsome male instead...
I'd say it's a safe bet that Baek's axed for T7

Mid EWGF's?!
:wow:
And just when gussy was coming to terms with their tracking from dash... :P

BigStupidGuy

But if it's -10 on block it's nothing special really. I wonder what the push back is like? I guess the only advantage it has is been i12-13 (forget). Overall sounds pretty average I think, more reasons to no duck a WD mixup.

D4RK ONION

Please keep us updated on any further Lucky Chloe news please.

Fergus_

When I first heard of mid EWGF, I thought it was gonna be +5 and I was like "wat"

But it's -10 and only Devil Kaz has it and he has to spend rage to transform AND he's almost dead anyway.

So it's ok to me, I just wanna see what pushback it has though.

BigStupidGuy

If it's crappy pushback I imagine most Kaz players will just do ff3 as their WD mixup.

Fergus_

Well with mid EWGF, they'll be able to do DEWGF to catch SSL~db which avoids HS and ff3 so it has a benefit at least, but I don't see Devil Form being used much.

Macal

http://www.avoidingthepuddle.com/storage/__20.jpg

All the new char renders

A bit disappointed on the lack of costume changes.

Also, what the **** is up with Feng's right leg?

BigStupidGuy

I totally agree! I don't see anything wrong with Feng though?

Macal

I think he's meant to be doing his Shifting Clouds stance. His leg just looks kind of weird, like it's partially detached from his hip.

His face is also unusually more handsome than is the norm. Feng's normally a pretty ugly bastard.

D4RK ONION

Is that the whole cast for this game starting off? If that was the whole roster I might actually try to learn the game with such a smaller amount of matchups to learn. Plus...

Lucky Chloe.

Macal

D4RK ONION wrote: »

Is that the whole cast for this game starting off? If that was the whole roster I might actually try to learn the game with such a smaller amount of matchups to learn. Plus...

Lucky Chloe.

The final arcade and console version will defo have more. But you can pretty learn off the chars now by looking at their Tag 2 incarnations. There's little changes to their core gameplay.

BigStupidGuy

I actually wish that was all the characters, but I seriously doubt it...

Macal

The Tekken Crash stream is starting at the ungodly hour at 6am tommorow. But hey if you're one of those night owls, go watch it.

BigStupidGuy

Macal wrote: »

The Tekken Crash stream is starting at the ungodly hour at 6am tommorow. But hey if you're one of those night owls, go watch it.

Or early risers

Macal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbESreB2BoM BOOM.

Macal

My thoughts having watched the first part;

I'm excited. Just from watching from the Tekken Crash matches just now, there's seems to be more focus on neutral game since they took away get up and back roll floats, which is what I like.

The new mechanics don't seem to be affecting the core gameplay much, I saw the Koreans try to use the Rage Arts as hard reads and it only worked once out of five attempts. I saw little to no power crushes being used.

Ironically the least promoted of the new additions was used most, the backwalk. It looks pretty useful for mid-range spacing, and it does look smoother visually than just KBD, which is good for casual audiences.

omara95

Anyone know where I can watch the archives? Couldn't watch it live.

BigStupidGuy

It seems like King and Kazuya are really strong. Also Lili is pretty close to her T6BR counterpart. DF3+4 looks to be mega annoying again lol.

Macal

omara95 wrote: »

Anyone know where I can watch the archives? Couldn't watch it live.

I have a link in the comments above.

Macal

BigStupidGuy wrote: »

It seems like King and Kazuya are really strong. Also Lili is pretty close to her T6BR counterpart. DF3+4 looks to be mega annoying again lol.

I was thinking the same thing. Chanel was originally going to use Alisa for the tourney but picked Lili instead, which is possibly suspect. Hao literally didn't do any juggles in the matches in he played which could mean T7 is just very neutral game-focus and/or they nerfed Feng's combo damage.

Fergus_

I don't think Hao was used to Feng's new kirimori move to go to for combos.

Chanel picked Lili because Alisa was banned, they didn't censor her chainsaws yet (which isn't allowed in korea for some reason)

Robert ninja

^ Wait wut? Her chainsaws are censored outright, or just the act of them hitting other opponents/being used as weapons?

Macal

Robert ninja wrote: »

^ Wait wut? Her chainsaws are censored outright, or just the act of them hitting other opponents/being used as weapons?

Her chainsaws are banned and instead she uses laser swords, which is somehow ok with the South Korean government.

Fergus_

When you watch Korean matches with Alisa in them, you can see that the chainsaws are replaced with lasers or w/e.

Macal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb8Xy7ljpEc The new arcade intro. And it's sick.

Macal

http://www.avoidingthepuddle.com/news/2015/2/11/tekken-7-new-gameplay-images-of-shaheen.html Some screenshots of Shaheen and a bit of a description on his playstyle, as well as Lucky chloe's.