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A rural vs urban aspect to the Garth Brooks fiasco

KingOfFairview

This isn't really about the gig, rather something it may have done a light on.

I think there is quote the rural/urban divide in Ireland, which is bring more exposed every day. Rural people like things like farms, Irish dancing and questions. Urban people care more about restaurants, crime and offices. That's always been the way. But is a certain bitterness being exposed in our society?

And who has the right of it all?

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KingOfFairview

Mira Rancid Stockiness wrote: »

Right back at you , as they say in the big city.

Stuff going on here 24/7. Can't say the same about Leitrim or Monaghan

Sam Kade

Yet another Dublin v rest of the country thread. But why use Garth brooks as a decoy?

oldyouth

There is no difference between urbanites and country folk, we all shag our cousins..

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Stuff going on here 24/7. Can't say the same about Leitrim or Monaghan

I haven't been to Monaghan or Leitrim for many years but I presume stuff happens there 24/7, as you put it, because regardless of your limited understanding of the country "stuff" has to happen everywhere all the time. It's simple physics.

hatrickpatrick

KingOfFairview wrote: »

This isn't really about the gig, rather something it may have done a light on.

I think there is quote the rural/urban divide in Ireland, which is bring more exposed every day. Rural people like things like farms, Irish dancing and questions. Urban people care more about restaurants, crime and offices. That's always been the way. But is a certain bitterness being exposed in our society?

And who has the right of it all?

My view is that urban life is urban life and entails busy-ness. Rural life entails solitude and a certain amount of quiet, and rightly so.
But in my view living in the centre a big city means living amongst crowds, activity, life. One does not simply demand a rural existence while living right in the middle of the capital city of a modern nation.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

My view is that urban life is urban life and entails busy-ness. Rural life entails solitude and a certain amount of quiet, ...

Yet again, wrong. Life and work is every bit as busy for most rural dwellers. We're not all mowing hay and walking the fields all day you know.

muddypaws

KingOfFairview wrote: »

I'm no sociologist, but this divide seems to be getting worse v every day. There's a perceived"coolness" about Dublin that farmers and their ilk envy.

So you're actually asking if there is a divide between Dubliners and farmers? What about Dublin farmers?

hatrickpatrick

Mira Rancid Stockiness wrote: »

Yet again, wrong. Life and work is every bit as busy for most rural dwellers. We're not all mowing hay and walking the fields all day you know.

That's not what I mean by busy, I mean crowds, noise, and above all a 24/7 existence. Life in a city doesn't stop just because the sun goes down. It's like my argument over curfews on Grafton St on a Saturday night - if you want a quiet weekend, don't live on the busiest commercial street in the capital.

Duckworth_Luas

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Stuff going on here 24/7. Can't say the same about Leitrim or Monaghan

I was in Fairview at 3:30 this morning and nothing was happening.

Even the center of the local community, Hillbilly's Fried Chicken, was closed.

Shakespeare's Sister

Rightwing wrote: »

Brooks is 1 of the biggest selling artists of all time in the world. Now, if was just confined to Ireland, I might say the thread is on to something.

Isn't it that his fanbase is concentrated in Ireland and certain parts of America though?
If he's one of the biggest selling artists of all time in the world... well that applies to Michael Jackson, Prince, U2, Madonna, but people in the UK haven't even heard of Garth Brooks, yet obviously they've heard of the above four.

Strazdas

My name is URL wrote: »

It'd almost make you wonder why that genre of music is called 'country'

Well "country" in this case doesn't equate to "rural" : Nashville is actually a much bigger city than Dublin

KingOfFairview

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

My view is that urban life is urban life and entails busy-ness. Rural life entails solitude and a certain amount of quiet, and rightly so.
But in my view living in the centre a big city means living amongst crowds, activity, life. One does not simply demand a rural existence while living right in the middle of the capital city of a modern nation.

Very good post

Strazdas

Mira Rancid Stockiness wrote: »

Sorry but do you mean Dublin and the rest of the country, or urban and rural, or do you actually see a two way split of the country as Dublin on one hand and everything else is "rural"?

In the case of the following for country music in Ireland, I've no idea how it is perceived in Cork, Limerick and Galway, so I was only able to use Dublin as a reference point for it's apparent lack of popularity in the capital compared to other parts of the country.

KingOfFairview

Strazdas wrote: »

In the case of the following for country music in Ireland, I've no idea how it is perceived in Cork, Limerick and Galway, so I was only able to use Dublin as a reference point for it's apparent lack of popularity in the capital compared to other parts of the country.

What's the city equivalent of C&W? Rap?

Amirani

muddypaws wrote: »

What about Dublin farmers?

Are they the folks in Drumcondra that plant herbs out their back gardens? Live and let live I guess.

Daniel7740

Mira Rancid Stockiness wrote: »

. We're not all mowing hay and walking the fields all day you know.

yeah because making hay isnt considered being busy at all :pac:

Markx

KingOfFairview wrote: »

I think there is quote the rural/urban divide in Ireland, which is bring more exposed every day. Rural people like things like farms, Irish dancing and questions. Urban people care more about restaurants, crime and offices. That's always been the way. But is a certain bitterness being exposed in our society?

Hahaha thats hilarious!! Love to see the science behind that statement. I live in Dublin coz I care about offices.

mikemac1

KingOfFairview wrote: »

What's the city equivalent of C&W? Rap?

Dickie Rock is from Cabra

The dubs love Dickie so they do

My name is URL

Magaggie wrote: »

that applies to Michael Jackson, Prince, U2, Madonna..

..people in the UK haven't even heard of Garth Brooks, yet obviously they've heard of the above four

That's all terribly generalised isn't it?!

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Daniel7740 wrote: »

yeah because making hay isnt considered being busy at all :pac:

Ach, you know what I mean in the context of the idyllic image of rural life being espoused.

KingOfFairview

Markx wrote: »

Hahaha thats hilarious!! Love to see the science behind that statement. I live in Dublin coz I care about offices.

No, you care about offices cause you love in Dublin

tomwaterford

KingOfFairview wrote: »

I'm no sociologist, but this divide seems to be getting worse v every day. There's a perceived"coolness" about Dublin that farmers and their ilk envy.

is there not just a perceived scumbaggness about Dublin (rightly or wrongly)

I know that is big coming from someone from waterford:P

Adamantium

You see this how we do it down in the sticks...

Man: Hey, that's a pretty sorry-lookin' wagon you got there, mister.
Clint Eastwood: I reckon it could use a... coat of paint.
Man: (calling out happily) Well, what are we waitin' for?
(Music starts and the man and outlaw begin dancing)
Clint Eastwood and Man: (singing) Gonna paint our wagon. Gonna paint it good. We ain't braggin'. We're gonna coat that wood!
Homer: They're singing! They're singing, Marge! Why aren't they killing each other?
(Homer sees something on-screen)
Homer: Wait, wait, wait! Here comes Lee Marvin! Thank God! He's always drunk and violent!
(he isn't this time)
Marge: Who knew that Lee Marvin could do such marvelous splits?
Lisa: He's dreamy.
Homer: Oh, why did they have to screw up a perfectly serviceable wagon story with all that fruity singing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VimNEBPsmbY

Retrovertigo

There should be a massive wall built around Dublin and surrounded by a moat. Anyone coming in or out should pay a fee to the guards on the drawbridge.

That way anyone outside has an excuse not to bother coming to our ****ty capital, that I also live in. Plus we can shoot the rowdy ones down with arrows before they get close.

kowloon

knird evol wrote: »

That depends.
Do you find yourself interested by Questions?

What in the name of **** is a question?

Shakespeare's Sister

My name is URL wrote: »

That's all terribly generalised isn't it?!

It's true though. He isn't known about in the UK. Obviously some people over there have heard of him, but he's miles off Madonna/Michael Jackson territory.
Country music sales are colossal in the States though.

iguana

My name is URL wrote: »

Seems to be more of a Dublin vs everywhere else thing when it comes to Ireland, rather than a general urban vs rural divide.

Maybe people in Dublin think that but the evidence doesn't bear that out. Look at almost every 'morality' referendum that we've had. The vast majority of votes for the liberal outcome all come from Dublin, it's commuter areas, Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford city constituencies. While the other constituencies have the higher proportion of the more conservative or RCC advocated votes.

Strazdas

KingOfFairview wrote: »

What's the city equivalent of C&W? Rap?

I suppose it would be in fact : all of those big name rap acts seem to sell out the O2 whenever they visit.

JupiterKid

Like it or not there is a huge divide between urban and rural Ireland. But urban Ireland is not represented by Dublin alone. There's also the provincial cities of Cork, Limerick, Galway, Waterford and the bigger towns like Dundalk, Drogheda, Sligo, Athlone, Navan, Wexford etc.

Urban Ireland is consistently more liberal and tolerant of minorities. Rural Ireland tends to be more conservative in its social outlook. And like or not country and western music including Garth Brooks is way more popular in rural areas.

Tigger

JupiterKid wrote: »

Like it or not there is a huge divide between urban and rural Ireland. But urban Ireland is not represented by Dublin alone. There's also the provincial cities of Cork, Limerick, Galway, Waterford and the bigger towns like Dundalk, Drogheda, Sligo, Athlone, Navan, Wexford etc.

Urban Ireland is consistently more liberal and tolerant of minorities. Rural Ireland tends to be more conservative in its social outlook. And like or not country and western music including Garth Brooks is way more popular in rural areas.

Can you back this up or is it your opinion ?