Landlord's post keeps coming to apartment

My Makeup Perspective

As accommodation and property issues go, this is admittedly a minor problem, I realise that!

Moved into an apartment 6-7 weeks ago, we rent via a lettig agency. Every week we get 2-3 pieces of post for the landlord into our letterbox. The letting agent has offered to collect the post on a weeky basis from the apartment but this doesn't always suit as I work odd hours. She asked me then to drop it into the office whenever any post arrives for him (the office is 12.5km away and it is rarely convenient for me).

Am I moaning about something stupid or would any of ye be a bit fed up of this? I thought after a month or so he would have changed his address but nope, the post is still coming just as often for him.

athtrasna

Write "no longer lives at this address " on the post and drop it into a post box. The landlord has had ample time to redirect it.

OldNotWIse

My Makeup Perspective wrote: »

As accommodation and property issues go, this is admittedly a minor problem, I realise that!

Moved into an apartment 6-7 weeks ago, we rent via a lettig agency. Every week we get 2-3 pieces of post for the landlord into our letterbox. The letting agent has offered to collect the post on a weeky basis from the apartment but this doesn't always suit as I work odd hours. She asked me then to drop it into the office whenever any post arrives for him (the office is 12.5km away and it is rarely convenient for me).

Am I moaning about something stupid or would any of ye be a bit fed up of this? I thought after a month or so he would have changed his address but nope, the post is still coming just as often for him.

I'd just ignore it. No way would I be going out of my way to bring it elsewhere. We had LL post coming to our apartment too - we just figured she was pretending to live there as she didnt have the place reg'd.

punisher5112

Return to sender every letter you get.

Don't let on you know anything about it.

The property is now your home as long as you pay.

The Spider

punisher5112 wrote: »

Return to sender every letter you get.

Don't let on you know anything about it.

The property is now your home as long as you pay.

Any tenant of mine tried anything like that, I'd find a relative that needed a place to live, and out on their ear would go the tenant.

Then I'd relet.

greengirl31

It's always to keep on the landlords good side IMO ... Could you not get a forwarding address for the landlord and just writ this on any post and pop it on the post box for the postman to collect ??? Or keep whatever post does come for him and poo it all in the one envelope and post it to the letting agent every couple of weeks ??

athtrasna

The Spider wrote: »

Any tenant of mine tried anything like that, I'd find a relative that needed a place to live, and out on their ear would go the tenant.

Then I'd relet.

Why? They are your tenant not your secretary or post clerk!

L1011

The Spider wrote: »

Any tenant of mine tried anything like that, I'd find a relative that needed a place to live, and out on their ear would go the tenant.

Then I'd relet.

So you'd break the law because a tenant refused to be your skivvy?

You can pay for postal redirection, its not that dear.

The Spider

athtrasna wrote: »

Why? They are your tenant not your secretary or post clerk!

Who knows, he may want his post going there, if you're in Dublin best do what you're told, or you'll find yourself either evicted or receiving a rent increase.

When I rented I gave the landlord his post, made sure I wasn't there for inspections, and surprise surprise my rent was never hiked in 6 years and when I left I had been paying 600 euro below market rate for 2 years.

Not rocket science whatever the landlord is doing is none of your business stay on his good side and you'll be ok.

Cause hassle and you'll be out at the first opportunity.

L1011

The Spider wrote: »

Who knows, he may want his post going there

Its not his delivery address, so whether he wants it or not is irrelevant.

Landlords who take revenge for actually being made act appropriately are slumlords and nothing better - and it appears you've admitted you are / will be one. Fantastic.

The Spider

MYOB wrote: »

Its not his delivery address, so whether he wants it or not is irrelevant.

Landlords who take revenge for actually being made act appropriately are slumlords and nothing better - and it appears you've admitted you are / will be one. Fantastic.

Doesn't matter what you call someone or get indignant about, doesn't matter new tenants will come along and have no problem keeping the landlords post, and you'll be searching for a new place, probably at a higher rent because you didn't want to be a skivvy, only one loser here and it's not the landlord.

nick 56

Just put the post in a box / bag and pass it on when you get the chance. I would be up for tenants rights etc but this and some of the responses are mean and silly. I rented out a house once and got news of a long lost pal (who was ill) via a letter from his mum to my property.

If the tenant had not kept it for me -- damn right i would have kicked them out

L1011

The Spider wrote: »

Doesn't matter what you call someone or get indignant about, doesn't matter new tenants will come along and have no problem keeping the landlords post, and you'll be searching for a new place, probably at a higher rent because you didn't want to be a skivvy, only one loser here and it's not the landlord.

The landlord'll be the loser when they're heavily fined for an illegal eviction for the invented and extremely easily found out proposition you made above.

If you move out of somewhere, get your post redirected or don't expect to get it - making up fantastical situations to try show you're some form of hardman doesn't get you your post.

Also, how much rent would you forgo for the time you're pretending someone else is in the house, just to get yourself some pathetic satisfaction?

The Spider

MYOB wrote: »

The landlord'll be the loser when they're heavily fined for an illegal eviction for the invented and extremely easily found out proposition you made above.

If you move out of somewhere, get your post redirected or don't expect to get it - making up fantastical situations to try show you're some form of hardman doesn't get you your post.

Also, how much rent would you forgo for the time you're pretending someone else is in the house, just to get yourself some pathetic satisfaction?

Not really you don't know what's in the post maybe he has investments or bills he doesn't want his family to know about?

It's not pathetic satisfaction, could be loads of reasons he doesn't want the post going to his current address.

Landlords want tenants who'll play ball, just as they don't want a tenant ringing them because they need a new fuse.

More likely situation is that they'll just put up the rent especially if you've been there more than a year and haven't had a rent review, or if it's coming up to when the lease needs to be renewed, where they would have let it go, they decide to put the rent up.

Or they may have a relative that needs a place and offer it to them at a discount.

Fact is landlords don't want hassle in any shape or form, you cause hassle and you end up as something that needs resolving shall we say.

Sadderday

.......... i'm in a property 6 months.

We get loads of post for old tenants and the landlords.... we collected them and gave them to the estate agent when she came for an inspection... and still collecting for when we see her next...

IS this wrong? she said it was fine ?

athtrasna

The Spider wrote: »

Not really you don't know what's in the post maybe he has investments or bills he doesn't want his family to know about?

It's not pathetic satisfaction, could be loads of reasons he doesn't want the post going to his current address.

Then they need to hire a post box. They don't live at the place they are renting to tenants, they have no entitlement to have post directed there. It also smacks of tax evasion, if post goes there the landlord can claim to be living there.

listermint

The Spider wrote: »

Not really you don't know what's in the post maybe he has investments or bills he doesn't want his family to know about?

It's not pathetic satisfaction, could be loads of reasons he doesn't want the post going to his current address.

Landlords want tenants who'll play ball, just as they don't want a tenant ringing them because they need a new fuse.

More likely situation is that they'll just put up the rent especially if you've been there more than a year and haven't had a rent review, or if it's coming up to when the lease needs to be renewed, where they would have let it go, they decide to put the rent up.

Or they may have a relative that needs a place and offer it to them at a discount.

Fact is landlords don't want hassle in any shape or form, you cause hassle and you end up as something that needs resolving shall we say.

If you own property then you would probably up there with the crappest landlords in the country.

Basing this solely on the advice you are giving in this thread.


If a landlord wants his post to the address, stick it in the contract and reduce the rent for the tenant citing the fact that they are now some sort of PO box for you.


Absolutely ridiculous.

The Spider

Sadderday wrote: »

.......... i'm in a property 6 months.

We get loads of post for old tenants and the landlords.... we collected them and gave them to the estate agent when she came for an inspection... and still collecting for when we see her next...

IS this wrong? she said it was fine ?

Nope carry on I say, landlords will let the post they want come to their homes and post they want go to their btl's

The Spider

listermint wrote: »

If you own property then you would probably up there with the crappest landlords in the country.

Basing this solely on the advice you are giving in this thread.


If a landlord wants his post to the address, stick it in the contract and reduce the rent for the tenant citing the fact that they are now some sort of PO box for you.


Absolutely ridiculous.

Theory, theory, theory on a bulletin board, if you've a nice place and the estate agent says the landlord wants to have his post collected are you going to argue realistically if you're 7 months into a lease?

L1011

The Spider wrote: »

Not really you don't know what's in the post maybe he has investments or bills he doesn't want his family to know about?

Rent a postbox elsewhere - the tenants house is not his mailing address.

The Spider wrote: »

It's not pathetic satisfaction, could be loads of reasons he doesn't want the post going to his current address.

The pathetic satisfaction was in kicking a tenant out because you're unwilling to actually do things properly.

The Spider wrote: »

Landlords want tenants who'll play ball, just as they don't want a tenant ringing them because they need a new fuse.

If landlords want to "play ball" they need to themselves - including getting their post redirected. This is not a one way street.

The Spider wrote: »

More likely situation is that they'll just put up the rent especially if you've been there more than a year and haven't had a rent review, or if it's coming up to when the lease needs to be renewed, where they would have let it go, they decide to put the rent up.

Trying to scare people in to accepting substandard service will eventually backfire.

The Spider wrote: »

Or they may have a relative that needs a place and offer it to them at a discount.

Losing money in the process; but your original suggestion was them using that as a reason to illegally evict someone and nothing more. ("Then I'd relet.")

The Spider wrote: »

Fact is landlords don't want hassle in any shape or form, you cause hassle and you end up as something that needs resolving shall we say.

Landlords who don't want to be landlords shouldn't *be* landlords. Not being allowed abuse your tenants time and mailing address is part of what you get by renting out the house. Tenants are your customers not your servants.

athtrasna

The Spider wrote: »

Nope carry on I say, landlords will let the post they want come to their homes and post they want go to their btl's

Ridiculous. It's the tenant's home. Only their post should go there. Sadderday why on earth are you collecting post for people who don't live there?

listermint

The Spider wrote: »

Theory, theory, theory on a bulletin board, if you've a nice place and the estate agent says the landlord wants to have his post collected are you going to argue realistically if you're 7 months into a lease?

Yes, Im not a postal address. Just like anyone elses post il send it return to sender.

This is now my home in accordance with the law. Sure if you want to sit down and come up with some arrangement then we can work it out.

But dont assume im here to gather all your crap and deliver it to you or have you knocking at my door every week.

I mean come on. I dont care how fancy you think your property is.

Sadderday

athtrasna wrote: »

Ridiculous. It's the tenant's home. Only their post should go there. Sadderday why on earth are you collecting post for people who don't live there?

well, its no hassle to put envelopes into a designated spot until whenever I see the EA

The Spider

listermint wrote: »

Yes, Im not a postal address. Just like anyone elses post il send it return to sender.

This is now my home in accordance with the law. Sure if you want to sit down and come up with some arrangement then we can work it out.

But dont assume im here to gather all your crap and deliver it to you or have you knocking at my door every week.

I mean come on. I dont care how fancy you think your property is.

Ha, wouldn't be every week, and where you say no, plenty of people will say yes. Supply and demand of rental properties'll do that.

EricPraline

The Spider wrote: »

Not really you don't know what's in the post maybe he has investments or bills he doesn't want his family to know about?

In that case perhaps a PO box or more secure address might be in order, rather than delivering sensitive documents into the hands of a stranger. In short, getting important post delivered to anybody else's home is a bad idea, regardless of whether they are your tenant or not. Just common sense for anybody running a business, including a landlord.

The Spider

EricPraline wrote: »

In that case perhaps a PO box or more secure address might be in order, rather than delivering sensitive documents into the hands of a stranger. In short, getting important post delivered to anybody else's home is a bad idea, regardless of whether they are your tenant or not. Just common sense for anybody running a business, including a landlord.

True, but then there may be ramifications in letting whoever's sending the post know that they now had to send it to postbox.

athtrasna

The Spider wrote: »

True, but then there may be ramifications in letting whoever's sending the post know that they now had to send it to postbox.

Yes if the landlord is avoiding tax

The Spider

athtrasna wrote: »

Yes if the landlord is avoiding tax

They may be, who knows either way none of your business if you don't want to find yourself looking for a new place.

L1011

The Spider wrote: »

True, but then there may be ramifications in letting whoever's sending the post know that they now had to send it to postbox.

Like?

Not telling the bank its no longer an owner occupier when on an owner occupier mortgage?

Not having it appropriately insured for a rented property?

Regardless, its the landlords issue and not the tenants.

EricPraline

The Spider wrote: »

True, but then there may be ramifications in letting whoever's sending the post know that they now had to send it to postbox.

Let's say your tenant was of the same mind-frame. I'd imagine that there might be ramifications if he/she realised they were in possession of sensitive information regarding their landlord. Time for a rent decrease, anyone?

Anyway this is all hypothetical nonsense. Responding to the OP, you are under no obligation to collect post for your landlord. Tell your letting agent that them collecting the post is not convenient for you and that you'd like the landlord to employ a post redirection service, as you are afraid some of the letters might become mislaid.

shruikan2553

We get a lot of post for the previous tenants. I just let it pile up and hand it to the LL when he comes around to collect the rent. I only do that because he happens to be around for other business. I wouldn't bother if it meant me contacting him to come get it and sure as hell wouldn't travel to give it to him. They don't live here, there is no reason to get post sent here and if it is important then you should have it sent to your own house or family member.

Grandpa Hassan

Is it that big a deal to just stick the post that isn't for you in a cupboard. I get LL post and post for about 5 previous tenant. Frankly I can't be bothered to write on it and post it. It just gets thrown on top of some cupboards

TimeToShine

Just pile it in a corner. Don't go out of your way to deliver it unless the letting agent/Landlord turns up with their begging bowl.

the_syco

The Spider wrote: »

Any tenant of mine tried anything like that, I'd find a relative that needed a place to live, and out on their ear would go the tenant.

How exactly would you know?

When I was renting, I just let the letters build up, and passed them onto the landlord. If the landlord got antsy, and started dropping threats regarding his mail, I'd probably get curious on it's contents...

And no, you wouldn't know the post was opened :pac:

listermint

The Spider wrote: »

They may be, who knows either way none of your business if you don't want to find yourself looking for a new place.

Well yes it is, because for them to be on the PRTB the tenancy has to be compliant.

So if the property is some form of tax avoidance the tenant is also complicit.


But sure you know that already.... Or actually judging on the posts you may not.

Because some properties are just so dammed nice, be dammed with the law... Ya know..

Ghekko

Leave a shoe box handy and put all the post into it. I wouldn't bother agreeing to the agent calling weekly. That's ridiculous when the LL can surely organise to redirect his own post. Nor would I travel to deliver it and I wouldn't pay the price of a stamp to redirect it myself. If you happen to be in when the agent calls then hand over the post but otherwise why would anyone be expected to go out of their way to accommodate someone using an incorrect address?

QuiteInterestin

athtrasna wrote: »

Then they need to hire a post box. They don't live at the place they are renting to tenants, they have no entitlement to have post directed there. It also smacks of tax evasion, if post goes there the landlord can claim to be living there.

+1, I heard of a case recently where that landlord had failed to inform his bank he had let his property and was continuing to get all his post to his rental property. The property fell into arrears and when eviction processes eventually started and baliffs arrived to change locks it was the tenants, who had been paying rent the entire time, who were locked out of the house and all of their possessions locked inside. Not sure but think they had to get a court order to gain access to retrieve their possessions

Your address is an important part of your identity, if someone is trying to pretend they're living somewhere they aren't, then they're up to something.

Santa Cruz

athtrasna wrote: »

Write "no longer lives at this address " on the post and drop it into a post box. The landlord has had ample time to redirect it.

Simple but effective

the world wonders

I think you're all being very uncooperative here, I would be delighted to help my landlord out like this. I'd even offer them a discount off the standard rates for this kind of service (it's the "PO Box Delivery" option they're asking for as far as I can make out).

yesto24

Act the asshole with the landlords post and then see what happens when you leave. Your post that goes to your old address you will never see again.
But I will redirect it I hear you say. Yea an post and all other companies are so efficient and nothing will ever slip through to your old address.
I would not go out of my way to help him nor would I try to harm him.
Hold onto the post for your landlord and give it to him every few weeks.
If you are not there when he calls for it then he just has to wait for it.

Greenmachine

The Spider wrote: »

Any tenant of mine tried anything like that, I'd find a relative that needed a place to live, and out on their ear would go the tenant.

Then I'd relet.

What is the matter with. Redirect your post like a normal person. Why should a tenant have to worry about your post. They want peaceful enjoyment of their home.

odds_on

greengirl31 wrote: »

It's always to keep on the landlords good side IMO ... Could you not get a forwarding address for the landlord and just writ this on any post and pop it on the post box for the postman to collect ??? Or keep whatever post does come for him and poo it all in the one envelope and post it to the letting agent every couple of weeks ??

Just starting to read the thread so perhaps there is a reply.

What address is given in the lease agreement for the landlord. This is a legal requirement in case there is a claim against him with the PRTB. If you don´t have a written agreement then you must have a rent book with the required details.

Sulla Felix

It wouldn't be a source of aggro for me. Stick it in a shoebox in the hall press, give it to the agent next time you see them.

Greenmachine

QuiteInterestin wrote: »

+1, I heard of a case recently where that landlord had failed to inform his bank he had let his property and was continuing to get all his post to his rental property. The property fell into arrears and when eviction processes eventually started and baliffs arrived to change locks it was the tenants, who had been paying rent the entire time, who were locked out of the house and all of their possessions locked inside. Not sure but think they had to get a court order to gain access to retrieve their possessions

Your address is an important part of your identity, if someone is trying to pretend they're living somewhere they aren't, then they're up to something.

I would be a boot to the door it would get if that happens to a place I was renting. I would strip out the cupboard and anything that was in it that wasn't mine. Mind you I would not let the landlord have his post delivered to my place.

odds_on

Greenmachine wrote: »

I would be a boot to the door it would get if that happens to a place I was renting. I would strip out the cupboard and anything that was in it that wasn't mine. Mind you I would not let the landlord have his post delivered to my place.

And lose your deposit for damage to the property.

usernamegoes

odds_on wrote: »

And lose your deposit for damage to the property.

Perhaps cheaper than a court order.

Greenmachine

odds_on wrote: »

And lose your deposit for damage to the property.

That would be the least of my worries if I had been locked out. The landlord had not payed his bill in this case hence the locks being changed, therefore no deposit to recover.

My Makeup Perspective

Sulla Felix wrote: »

It wouldn't be a source of aggro for me. Stick it in a shoebox in the hall press, give it to the agent next time you see them.

I suggested something like this, that perhaps I could collect all the letters and when I happened to be in the letting agent's office's area I could drop them in and she said no, that the landlord requires his post as and when it arrives in our letterbox.

Thanks for all the replies by the way, I'm glad I'm not being odd by being miffed by the situation...

athtrasna

My Makeup Perspective wrote: »

I suggested something like this, that perhaps I could collect all the letters and when I happened to be in the letting agent's office's area I could drop them in and she said no, that the landlord requires his post as and when it arrives in our letterbox.

Thanks for all the replies by the way, I'm glad I'm not being odd by being miffed by the situation...

The landlord is not entitled to use your address as his postal address. If he wants his post he should pay for a redirection service. I'd stand by my original thing of returning everything to sender.

billie1b

The Spider wrote: »

Doesn't matter what you call someone or get indignant about, doesn't matter new tenants will come along and have no problem keeping the landlords post, and you'll be searching for a new place, probably at a higher rent because you didn't want to be a skivvy, only one loser here and it's not the landlord.

Whats the fine again for eviction with no apparant reason? And then letting out to a new tenant all while pretending to give it to a family member? €5000 is it? Yeah thats what a slumlord like you would be paying after I take you to court over it and the cost of wrecking your house for being an asshole

The_Morrigan

If I see one more post about scum landlords or trouble making tenants I'll start handing out infractions and/or bans - the charter requires that all posters remain civil to each other and reading this thread there are plenty that are skirting the line.

Behave yourselves, it's like a kindergarten in here!