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The tactical random photo thread.
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02-07-2014 9:57am#1
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aww booboos, are you vewy sad that your photo was the last one on the page ?
I wrote some post about this before, it's a very real effect, I ran over a couple of random photo threads and did a distribution of thanks vs. position on the page. By far the biggest correlation was a massive increase in thanks for the first post on the page given the default forum page/post count (15). Then it tails off rapidly until, by the time you're about 5 posts down it makes no appreciable difference in the position. That post of mine about this might have exacerbated the problem
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DaireQuinlan wrote: »aww booboos, are you vewy sad that your photo was the last one on the page ?
I wrote some post about this before, it's a very real effect, I ran over a couple of random photo threads and did a distribution of thanks vs. position on the page. By far the biggest correlation was a massive increase in thanks for the first post on the page given the default forum page/post count (15). Then it tails off rapidly until, by the time you're about 5 posts down it makes no appreciable difference in the position. That post of mine about this might have exacerbated the problem
I couldn't give a toss where my photo appears, I just thought it strange that there was a lack of posts for almost 5 hours then all of a sudden lots of posts, I have my forum setting changed to display 40 post per page but had problems with the "crumbs" i think they are called so reset to default then noticed why they was no activity for a while.
So you've looked into this too and seen that the thanks do increase on the top of a new page, which just reaffirms my point that its jut downright petty, people shouldn't give a toss how many thanks they get.
It's supposed to be about sharing your photo with like minded photo enthusiast's and not about boosting an ego!0 -
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What a bizarre thread/post. I'm only responding to this as I see one of my pics is being accused of being "tactically" posted. Of course you're correct ... if that was the case it would be unthinkably sad. The simple FACT that it is incorrect and the posting times entirely coincidental really says something about ... well, about you tbh. Do you really think people are sitting at their monitors desperately waiting for that long-awaited 'change of page'. "NOW NOW NOW" you can hear us all screaming as we hit the paste button. Just how incredibly sad do you think our lives are? I couldn't give the faintest toss about where my photo comes in a page and have never thought about it until this thread was posted. I assume that (just like you) people are sometimes likely to be posting to the thread at the end of the day when they've got their photos processed and the kids to bed. Please ... pretty please ... spare us the paranoid conspiracy theories ... we're just sticking up some random photos.
It says I'm not afraid to speak my mind, if you think differently don't be shy spit it out :pac:
I used to post on here quite a bit, back when it was a fantastic place to post to look for advice and to view some simply stunning photos, I'm not basing my thread on paranoia I am basing it on things that I have noticed before lots of times (in fact i even recall a few posters discussing it on the random thread a good while ago) and my memory was refreshed so posted up, sure its going to ruffle some feathers and sure people are going to deny it but it does happen! I'm not saying you specifically but it does happen, it also can be a coincidence too but again it does happen where people wait to post their photos on the new page.DaireQuinlan wrote: »No, my findings don't reaffirm your point. They merely show that posts at the top of the page are more likely to attract thanks, they don't show that people are more likely to wait until they can achieve the top slot before posting. If I were to do some sort of distribution of delays between posting versus position, and that showed that there was a skew in the length of the delay toward the bottom of the page then yes, that would reaffirm your point. I have not done that though, and the data that I do have does not allow you to make the conclusions that you did.
Fair point, but given the fact that you have found this to be the case do you not think some people will use that and think "heh I'll wait to post my photo in a while when its on a new page", I'm sure its been discussed on here before where people admitted such, maybe I should have looked for that thread link before posting my thread as I cannot find it now
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homer simpson wrote: »Fair point, but given the fact that you have found this to be the case do you not think some people will use that and think "heh I'll wait to post my photo in a while when its on a new page", I'm sure its been discussed on here before where people admitted such, maybe I should have looked for that thread link before posting my thread as I cannot find it now
Perhaps, that's an intriguing hypothesis. Not one that's borne out by my data though
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Interestingly, my last post in there suddenly went from the top of page 75 to the bottom of page 74 shortly after I posted it. I thought this was just somebody innocently deleting an earlier post, but perhaps this was a nefarious attempt by the next poster in that thread to get their post to the top of page 75.
Cui bono?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057188150&page=75
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amdgilmore wrote: »Interestingly, my last post in there suddenly went from the top of page 75 to the bottom of page 74 shortly after I posted it. I thought this was just somebody innocently deleting an earlier post, but perhaps this was a nefarious attempt by the next poster in that thread to get their post to the top of page 75.
Cui bono?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057188150&page=75
haha IT WASN'T ME GUVNOR
though that's a good idea. I think I'll start sprinkling the random photo threads with random comments so I can tactically delete them where necessary to nudge my shot up to the top of the page0 -
i have noticed that pattern alright, because a lot of the time i go back to look at pics, and if there's one of mine in there that starts on the next page, someone behind me deletes their pic, and i end up back on the end of the last page. personally, i couldn't give a sh*t where my post ends up, but i definitely have noticed the pattern & there are users who delete posts on that thread quite frequently!
the thanks are no bearing to actual talent IMO. the general consensus here is like what patrick says about swans (and landscapes)
i am tempted to just start a random portrait thread. or random random non landscape thread :P
what gets my goat is the whinging about me locking a thread to start a new one and that the pics on the end of the thread that gets locked "won't get anymore thanks" :rolleyes: ugh. i think some people need to spend more time shooting & less time over-scrutnising everything on here. (that was not a dig at you homer!)
was that a rant?
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dirtyghettokid wrote: »what gets my goat is the whinging about me locking a thread to start a new one and that the pics on the end of the thread that gets locked "won't get anymore thanks" :rolleyes: ugh.
BUT THEN THEY WON'T GET INTO THE PICTURE OF THE WEEK THREAD
:(:(:(
Actually I'll bet that's the motive behind the entire thing, If I get a chance I'll put that script to work again, and correlate post placement & delays in the random photo threads prior to the POTW being set up against random photo threads AFTER the POTW thread was started.
As someone who has never had a single picture in the POTW threads I'm uniquely qualified to comment *sobs*0 -
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dirtyghettokid wrote: »i have noticed that pattern alright, because a lot of the time i go back to look at pics, and if there's one of mine in there that starts on the next page, someone behind me deletes their pic, and i end up back on the end of the last page. personally, i couldn't give a sh*t where my post ends up, but i definitely have noticed the pattern & there are users who delete posts on that thread quite frequently!
the thanks are no bearing to actual talent IMO. the general consensus here is like what patrick says about swans (and landscapes)
i am tempted to just start a random portrait thread. or random random non landscape thread :P
what gets my goat is the whinging about me locking a thread to start a new one and that the pics on the end of the thread that gets locked "won't get anymore thanks" :rolleyes: ugh. i think some people need to spend more time shooting & less time over-scrutnising everything on here. (that was not a dig at you homer!)
was that a rant?
really shocked that people are manipulating the random thread! Never would of thought it and never noticed tbh..
Have to say I do like the random thread. It's a really honest thread and it's interesting to see what people are trying out. I think the photo of the week gives it real impetus.
It's interesting to hear some of the complaints about the like system. I am not sure if the criticism is that fair - I would of thought that the likes are fairly good indication of what's popular (rather than technically proficient). And I think everyone is a good judge of what's a universally pleasing/interesting photo (whether they are a photographer or not), meaning that the photos coming out with most likes should be fairly fair. Though I agree, there are a lot of great photos (imo) that don't get enough credit....
What I wonder is this - suppose the thread was adjudicated by a few judges - would the photo of the week (i.e. top 3) be that different? I reckon not really...0 -
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magicbastarder wrote: »are you facebook?
not sure where you are going with that one...
here we go....
hdr swan-1 by EoghanL, on Flickr
for the second time in this thread, no need to thank me0 -
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.Longshanks. wrote: »^ Except my boards is set for 30 posts per page. I'm still on page one and will be for a while yet!
I have however noticed the pattern homer points out
Same here set to 30 like most of my forums....as many as possible on a page!! I'm to lazy to have it any other way.0 -
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dirtyghettokid wrote: »haha don't forget about that monstrosity pic i made up & it won POTW..
What!?!?????? That was made up!!!!!!!
I voted for it twice godamit :mad: 0 -
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Because I've nothing better to be doing ...
In the most recent "Random Photos" thread there are currently 83 pages of photos.
48 different posters are responsible for the top post in those 83 pages.
32 posters are responsible for 1 photo each
9 posters have had 2 photos at the top of the page.
2 posters have 3 shots there
3 posters have 4
1 has 5
1 has 6.
I've taken the guys and gals responsible for 3 or more as they clearly are the sad, petty, ego-boosting posters amongst us.
Daire Quinlan has posted 51 photos in the thread so far. 6 of those have happened to be on the top of the page. The time delay from the last post on the previous page has, for each photo, been: 150mins - 2mins – 120mins – 30mins – 1min - 20min.
Myksyk has posted 38 photos in the thread but has slyly placed 5 of these at the top of the page. Time delay from last post/previous page: 3 -55 -4 -30 -20.
Starr0409 has had 4. Time delays: 210 – 80 – 15 - 50
Keps has had 4. Time delays: 30-40-15-105
Thatsnotmyname has had 4. 60-20-20-35
kevc2 has had 3. 10-105-150
obrano has had 3. 120-30-70
Clearly these are the main 'culprits'. I'm not sure what we were doing with our other 100s of photos but maybe our cunning plan was so cunning that we deliberately didn't post most of our photos at the top of the page just to throw would-be sleuths off track.
15 (!!!) of these 33 posts were posted within half an hour of the last post on the previous page!! This is clearly unacceptable and an indication that the people involved were deliberately and shamefully trying to garner internet forum 'thanks' from people they don't know ... to boost their egos.
Unfortunately the cunning plan seems to have limited success with only around 6 of the 83 photos having gleaned enough thanks to feature in POTW. This 'top of the page' position may not be all it's cracked up to be.
Just so we're clear ... here are the facts as they relate to my pattern of posting:
My 5 photos which appeared on the top of a page did so within an hour of the last post on the previous page.
This was entirely coincidental. There was no intent or plan to post them there.
I was unaware of when a page changed until this thread was opened (i.e. that there were 15 posts per page as standard).
The OP has taken bits of information and drawn (in my case at the very least) incorrect conclusions about intent, motive and even personal characteristics.
As I've said already, I don't care where my posts sit in the thread. If they're ready, they're posted. If I post a lot some will obviously fall at the top of the page. Most do not.
The OP says he is merely 'speaking his mind'. However, it's not entirely unimportant that in this case he purports to be speaking about the motives and intent of other posters, based on nothing but his own annoyance and suspicion. I am one of the main 'culprits' of this phenomenon and he is simply and unarguably wrong in his conclusions about the intention behind why a small sampling of my posts appear where they do.
I would bet that the average time delay between any randomly chosen in-page posts does not differ significantly from the average delay between last post on page to first post on following page ... but someone else can do that research!! To start you off the average time delay between last post one page to first post next page is just under 50 minutes.0 -
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Because I've nothing better to be doing ...
In the most recent "Random Photos" thread there are currently 83 pages of photos.
48 different posters are responsible for the top post in those 83 pages.
32 posters are responsible for 1 photo each
9 posters have had 2 photos at the top of the page.
2 posters have 3 shots there
3 posters have 4
1 has 5
1 has 6.
I've taken the guys and gals responsible for 3 or more as they clearly are the sad, petty, ego-boosting posters amongst us.
Daire Quinlan has posted 51 photos in the thread so far. 6 of those have happened to be on the top of the page. The time delay from the last post on the previous page has, for each photo, been: 150mins - 2mins – 120mins – 30mins – 1min - 20min.
Myksyk has posted 38 photos in the thread but has slyly placed 5 of these at the top of the page. Time delay from last post/previous page: 3 -55 -4 -30 -20.
Starr0409 has had 4. Time delays: 210 – 80 – 15 - 50
Keps has had 4. Time delays: 30-40-15-105
Thatsnotmyname has had 4. 60-20-20-35
kevc2 has had 3. 10-105-150
obrano has had 3. 120-30-70
Clearly these are the main 'culprits'. I'm not sure what we were doing with our other 100s of photos but maybe our cunning plan was so cunning that we deliberately didn't post most of our photos at the top of the page just to throw would-be sleuths off track.
15 (!!!) of these 33 posts were posted within half an hour of the last post on the previous page!! This is clearly unacceptable and an indication that the people involved were deliberately and shamefully trying to garner internet forum 'thanks' from people they don't know ... to boost their egos.
Unfortunately the cunning plan seems to have limited success with only around 6 of the 83 photos having gleaned enough thanks to feature in POTW. This 'top of the page' position may not be all it's cracked up to be.
Just so we're clear ... here are the facts as they relate to my pattern of posting:
My 5 photos which appeared on the top of a page did so within an hour of the last post on the previous page.
This was entirely coincidental. There was no intent or plan to post them there.
I was unaware of when a page changed until this thread was opened (i.e. that there were 15 posts per page as standard).
The OP has taken bits of information and drawn (in my case at the very least) incorrect conclusions about intent, motive and even personal characteristics.
As I've said already, I don't care where my posts sit in the thread. If they're ready, they're posted. If I post a lot some will obviously fall at the top of the page. Most do not.
The OP says he is merely 'speaking his mind'. However, it's not entirely unimportant that in this case he purports to be speaking about the motives and intent of other posters, based on nothing but his own annoyance and suspicion. I am one of the main 'culprits' of this phenomenon and he is simply and unarguably wrong in his conclusions about the intention behind why a small sampling of my posts appear where they do.
I would bet that the average time delay between any randomly chosen in-page posts does not differ significantly from the average delay between last post on page to first post on following page ... but someone else can do that research!! To start you off the average time delay between last post one page to first post next page is just under 50 minutes.
You doth protest too much....
Onto the bolded bit, I'm not saying you specifically. You need to stop taking this as a personal attack on yourself, ha ha.
All's I was saying is from what I see it does happen, i'm not the only one seeing it happen either. It has even been said that people go to the length of deleting a post in the thread so as to ensure their photo gets a "prime location" :pac:
It has sparked quite a discussion on it, which is good even some humor thrown in for good measure which if right or wrong can only be a good thing.
Now where did I leave my tin foil hat!0 -
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