Handicap cut 2 extra strokes

newuser89

Hello
I had a score of 42 points off 12.0 handicap and got to 10.6 then I see there was a extra 2 strokes cut off to give me a new handicap of 8.6.it seems a bit excessive since I was playing off 15.4 about two weeks ago and just came into form.
My last 5 rounds have been scores of
38,37,38,40,42
And I have been steadily getting cut about a shot each round.
I feel I won't be very competive the rest of the year now that they took 2 extra off me

jukebox2310

I received a 3 stroke ESR cut last year bringing me from 11 to 6 when really I'm prob an 8 at best.
Its hard to stomach alright but no use in complaining. I find you just have to forgeet what you were off and just try to play to new handicap.

Personally I know I spent a lot of rounds thinking I used to have shots on this hole and that hole and my mind was never on the real task of just concentrating on the shot you are playing and as a result just shot crap scores.
The only bit of advive I can give is just go out and don't let your handicap dictate your mindset. Concentrate on playing each shot as best you can and you'll be amazed that you can actually play to your handicap. After numerous bad scores I have changed my mindset and now am in the buffer most times

spacecoyote

newuser89 wrote: »

Hello
I had a score of 42 points off 12.0 handicap and got to 10.6 then I see there was a extra 2 strokes cut off to give me a new handicap of 8.6.it seems a bit excessive since I was playing off 15.4 about two weeks ago and just came into form.
My last 5 rounds have been scores of
38,37,38,40,42
And I have been steadily getting cut about a shot each round.
I feel I won't be very competive the rest of the year now that they took 2 extra off me

they didn't do it to you. It's an automatic cut called an ESR (exceptional scoring reduction) if you beat par by 4 or more shots twice in a season you get an automatic extra reduction. And the closer the rounds are to each other the higher the reduction.

There was a pdf posted on here by someone before that detailed the exact way it works

newuser89

Thanks for the reply guys.
I only started back 3 months ago after 5 years away from it.
My previous lowest was 9 so I'm back there already at least

PARlance

newuser89 wrote: »

Hello
I had a score of 42 points off 12.0 handicap and got to 10.6 then I see there was a extra 2 strokes cut off to give me a new handicap of 8.6.it seems a bit excessive since I was playing off 15.4 about two weeks ago and just came into form.
My last 5 rounds have been scores of
38,37,38,40,42
And I have been steadily getting cut about a shot each round.
I feel I won't be very competive the rest of the year now that they took 2 extra off me

Congrats on the cuts.
You just shot +6 off 12 to get you 42 points.
If you shot the same round of your new handicap you still get 39 points... What exactly do you mean by competitive? You've proven you can better 9 already.

You got cut due to ESR. It's generally 1 shot but if you scores are "more exceptional" then it increases.

newuser89

PARlance wrote: »

Congrats on the cuts.
You just shot +6 off 12 to get you 42 points.
If you shot the same round of your new handicap you still get 39 points... What exactly do you mean by competitive? You've proven you can better 9 already.

You got cut due to ESR. It's generally 1 shot but if you scores are "more exceptional" then it increases.

It's the first time I ever shot that round and it should have been better as I had 3 points on last 3 holes.but it's been sunny no wind and the rough is cut back.i won't be competitive when the real weather starts again

PARlance

newuser89 wrote: »

Thanks for the reply guys.
I only started back 3 months ago after 5 years away from it.
My previous lowest was 9 so I'm back there already at least

What HC did you get 3 months ago?

newuser89

PARlance wrote: »

What HC did you get 3 months ago?

16 as I had to hand in 3 cards the best was 23 over par.
It's only the last 2 weeks I've actually started playing well

SnowDrifts

I'd be delighted to get an ESR. I tend not to entertain people who complain about getting cut by an ESR. You got it for a reason.

Here is the link showing how it's applied http://www.cgc-ni.com/uploads/CONGU%20ESR.pdf

newuser89

SnowDrifts wrote: »

I'd be delighted to get an ESR. I tend not to entertain people who complain about getting cut by an ESR. You got it for a reason.

Here is the link to how it works http://www.cgc-ni.com/uploads/CONGU%20ESR.pdf

Look if I was beating everyone in my club by loads of points I know I deserve it
But I came 3rd with 40 and 2nd with 42 so with the additional cut I got a don't know how I can get near them scores to compete in future

FixdePitchmark

newuser89 wrote: »

Hello
I had a score of 42 points off 12.0 handicap and got to 10.6 then I see there was a extra 2 strokes cut off to give me a new handicap of 8.6.it seems a bit excessive since I was playing off 15.4 about two weeks ago and just came into form.
My last 5 rounds have been scores of
38,37,38,40,42
And I have been steadily getting cut about a shot each round.
I feel I won't be very competive the rest of the year now that they took 2 extra off me

Well done getting back so quick - great achievement.


I think you are only meant to hit 36 about 1 in 4 - so clearly your handicap is wrong.


It is not about being competitive - it is about being at the right handicap.


Clearly if someone has over 40 twice their handicap is way off.

PARlance

Yes, at least most of the field you will be playing against is now competitive.

FixdePitchmark

New User

Most of the lads on here have a sequence of 28 , 32, 38, 25, 31 pts

How competitive do you think they feel against you?

newuser89

Everything you guys have said is right.
I think I have just been spoiled I suppose the last while as I knew I had a workable handicap and now I'm back where I was.
I think I will just concentrate on playing the golf course and nothing else. Forget the handicap and think of par on every hole and see where I end up

PARlance

newuser89 wrote: »

Look if I was beating everyone in my club by loads of points I know I deserve it
But I came 3rd with 40 and 2nd with 42 so with the additional cut I got a don't know how I can get near them scores to compete in future

This gets better.....
How many players in each comp?
Ask yourself how many came in the top 3 twice.
Ask yourself is it a bit silly to be complaining about getting back to 9 after shooting a +6, said it should/could have been +3.

Well done on getting back to your previous HC but can't commend the attitude.

I'm not a big fan of ESR in the case of a genuine guy who is looking to improve (rather than looking to be competitive) as it can sometimes be a cut too far after 2 freakishly good rounds.... But that's certainly not the case here.

Edit: that was some turn around

Macker1

newuser89 wrote: »

Hello
I had a score of 42 points off 12.0 handicap and got to 10.6 then I see there was a extra 2 strokes cut off to give me a new handicap of 8.6.it seems a bit excessive since I was playing off 15.4 about two weeks ago and just came into form.
My last 5 rounds have been scores of
38,37,38,40,42
And I have been steadily getting cut about a shot each round.
I feel I won't be very competive the rest of the year now that they took 2 extra off me

Well done on very good consistent scoring. Getting an ESR is something to be happy about and should be looked upon as a reward for playing very well.

m r c

newuser89 wrote: »

Hello
I had a score of 42 points off 12.0 handicap and got to 10.6 then I see there was a extra 2 strokes cut off to give me a new handicap of 8.6.it seems a bit excessive since I was playing off 15.4 about two weeks ago and just came into form.
My last 5 rounds have been scores of
38,37,38,40,42
And I have been steadily getting cut about a shot each round.
I feel I won't be very competive the rest of the year now that they took 2 extra off me

I'd love to have your "problem" congrats on the great play.

FixdePitchmark

I feel - I need to be a bit more competitive next season. I'm running out of a right handed gloves - extra distance Ultras and umbrellas.

I'll have to think of a way


Luis Suarez like competitive next year.

m r c

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I feel - I need to be a bit more competitive next season. I'm running out of a right handed glove - extra distance Ultras and umbrellas.

I'll have to think of a way

Cheeky!!!

ForeRight

Play the game to be as low a handicap as your ability will get you and let the competitiveness look after itself.

I wouldn't be worried about not being able to shoot 40+ points off your new handicap. If I was you I'd be delighted to be down to 5 or so and shooting 36 pointers pretty regular and then try take the next step to drop another stroke.

GreeBo

newuser89 wrote: »

Look if I was beating everyone in my club by loads of points I know I deserve it
But I came 3rd with 40 and 2nd with 42 so with the additional cut I got a don't know how I can get near them scores to compete in future

Its nothing to do with beating everyone else, its about beating CSS....repeatedly...by lots.

Dealerz

GreeBo wrote: »

Its nothing to do with beating everyone else, its about beating CSS....repeatedly...by lots.

^exactly! This is the key point and why esr is a great idea.

newuser89

If I shot 40 points next time out would I get another esr

SnowDrifts

newuser89 wrote: »

If I shot 40 points next time out would I get another esr

I think so... provided you have a net differential of -4 again.

From the link I posted above...

When a player returns a Qualifying Score with a Nett Differential of -4, or below, in a calendar year this triggers the ESR algorithm, setting an initial marker. An ESR calculation will be initiated the next time a Nett Differential of -4 or lower is returned by the player. This second Qualifying Score will also set a new trigger for any subsequent return of another low score when the count within the ESR process would be repeated.

superhooper

newuser89 wrote: »

If I shot 40 points next time out would I get another esr

Let that be your goal!! I'd love that problem. I'd love to score over 30 points!!!

Kace

I have had exceptional scoring handicap adjustments in both directions in the past couple of years. Believe me - the reductions are a lot more satisfying than the increases ;-)

whitefoot

Kace wrote: »

I have had exceptional scoring handicap adjustments in both directions in the past couple of years. ;-)

ESR is an software based automatic handicap reduction only. Are you suggesting you had an automatic handicap increase larger than 0.1 actual? Please elaborate.

newuser89

Played 2 competitions since the cut and had 28 points and 75 nett on par 70.
I'm definitely capable off this handicap .
I had a 9 on a par 5 and two triple bogeys.silly mistakes.
I did see the club handicap secretary and he was asking me if I wanted him to try get 1 of the shots back but I told him I'm happy where I am.

bobwilliams

newuser89 wrote: »

Thanks for the reply guys.
I only started back 3 months ago after 5 years away from it.
My previous lowest was 9 so I'm back there already at least

and let me guess you just played brutal on the 3 cards ...yeah??:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

newuser89

bobwilliams wrote: »

and let me guess you just played brutal on the 3 cards ...yeah??:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

No they where my first 3 rounds in 5 years
3 months on I'm playing well
Please keep up

bobwilliams

newuser89 wrote: »

No they where my first 3 rounds in 5 years
3 months on I'm playing well
Please keep up

I've no problem keeping up I just don't think you're being honest here,no round at all in 5 years?