Dog keeps breaking

sheebadog

TriggerPL wrote: »

I havnt seen u suggest any other way yet ? And FYI every dog man ever to train a dog will tell you when tracking a dog steadiness on retrieve u don't let the dog pick everything .

So I do intercept the retrieve

I did. Go back to basics and start again.
I've trained to the highest competitive level and there are two old sayings that I live by:
1. As above.
2. Know when to stop.

jimf

my golden rule would be the day things are going completely arseways just pack your bags and go home try again tomorrow

its a lot easier to give a dog a bad habit than it is to give a good one

sheebadog

jimf wrote: »

my golden rule would be the day things are going completely arseways just pack your bags and go home try again tomorrow

its a lot easier to give a dog a bad habit than it is to give a good one

Good advice.

TriggerPL

jimf wrote: »

my golden rule would be the day things are going completely arseways just pack your bags and go home try again tomorrow

its a lot easier to give a dog a bad habit than it is to give a good one

That's a given , there always another day !

sheebadog

TriggerPL wrote: »

That's a given , there always another day !

Trigger.
Here are a few things that you absolutely need to train a retriever.
I'm making the assumption that the dog is highly bred and true to that breeding it shows that it loads of ability.
1. Long rope
2. Starter pistol.
3. Dummy launcher.
4. Know how.

Now it's up to the handler to make either a handy shooting dog OR a Fcuk off dog that you can take anywhere and do anything with. Totally up to the handler how polished he wants his dog.

Now when I see people advising running after a dog and earwigging it for doing what it's bred to do.....Arrrgh!


Catch the handler and kick the shyte....

TriggerPL

sheebadog wrote: »

Trigger.
Here are a few things that you absolutely need to train a retriever.
I'm making the assumption that the dog is highly bred and true to that breeding it shows that it loads of ability.
1. Long rope
2. Starter pistol.
3. Dummy launcher.
4. Know how.

Now it's up to the handler to make either a handy shooting dog OR a Fcuk off dog that you can take anywhere and do anything with. Totally up to the handler how polished he wants his dog.

Now when I see people advising running after a dog and earwigging it for doing what it's bred to do.....Arrrgh!


Catch the handler and kick the shyte....

See mate that were we differ !

And as for training I've a lad trained to the highest standard , and extreamely well breed . Our gun club also run some of the best renowned trails in ireland .

Getting away from all that ! How about instead of attacking other people post , u offer advice in ur own words because so far you have said sweet f all to help .

Exactly the reason I never give advice ere anymore because there a bunch on hear feel the need to pull someone else comments apart !!

The op has already made progress with my advice if u can offer anything better let's hear it .

Either way the tit for tat is over !!

sheebadog

TriggerPL wrote: »

See mate that were we differ !

And as for training I've a lad trained to the highest standard , and extreamely well breed . Our gun club also run some of the best renowned trails in ireland .

Getting away from all that ! How about instead of attacking other people post , u offer advice in ur own words because so far you have said sweet f all to help .

Exactly the reason I never give advice ere anymore because there a bunch on hear feel the need to pull someone else comments apart !!

The op has already made progress with my advice if u can offer anything better let's hear it .

Either way the tit for tat is over !!

I gave the best possible advice.
Go back to basics and start again. Then repeat ad nauseum.
Jeez there is no big secret.
Dog at 14 months isn't ready for the final polish.
Work on the basics.
Work on the basics.
Maybe I'm in the habit of repeating myself.
Dog at 14 months is a PUP (and yes I'm shouting!).
Go back to basics.
Go back to basics. QED.

Btw did you win anything or did you ever have a dog well trained enough to compete?

TriggerPL

Ahhhhhh !! The man came on here looking for help !! Because he ran into a problem !!!


He's thought he had the basics done and wanted to move on there , not knowing the direction to go in , then ran into a problem !

My first bit of advice was go back to his heal work and sit and stay work then advised him on what way to proceed !

There is no point in ur thick head saying go back to basic , back to basic , back to basic what the chat don't know what or where he's starting from .

There only so much DVD and book teach ya !! And there rarely show you how to conter act problem when they arise !

And saying back to basic isn't giving advice ! There step by step guide like I've offered !

If everyone ere just told him go back to basics he wouldn of been any wiser !


You my friend have contributed nothing to this thread but sh1t, and talked down others trying to help !

@ the op, mate if you have any problem along the way pm me , I'm not listening to this bull , from someone that clearly isn't commenting in this thread to help but more to disrupt !!

sheebadog

1. Pup doesn't know stop whistle. Teach the stop.
2. Pup doesn't know turn whistle.

Pup doesn't have ANY training and it has a problem with steady to shot !

The pup needs to be yard trained first before it is taken working.

I would suggest OP to pm me for some proper advice.

TriggerPL

sheebadog wrote: »

1. Pup doesn't know stop whistle. Teach the stop.
2. Pup doesn't know turn whistle.

Pup doesn't have ANY training and it has a problem with steady to shot !

The pup needs to be yard trained first before it is taken working.

I would suggest OP to pm me for some proper advice.

What are you on about I've personal seen dogs at 14 months win trails and seen a dog qualify at our trail for the Irish championships at 16 months .

If pups don't know all this or can't learn this at an early age ! Why at 9 months can you run a dog in any trail .

And I well aware of where and when what part of training should take place !

sheebadog

TriggerPL wrote: »

What are you on about I've personal seen dogs at 14 months win trails and seen a dog qualify at our trail for the Irish championships at 16 months .

If pups don't know all this or can't learn this at an early age ! Why at 9 months can you run a dog in any trail .

And I well aware of where and when what part of training should take place !

Look at the video. Has 2 months to qualify for the championship. Might have a small bit of work to do yet.
Of course a precocious pup in the hands of a talented trainer could achieve that.

Op has a lovely pup that deserves to be properly trained and needs assistance.
I've trained to the highest level in two disciplines and would like to offer my help.
Trigger standing back in the gallery is a lot different to competing.

You have made this personal and insulted me. I understand that you mean well but my advice is what I've learned by experience over many years at the highest level. Forgive me if I come across as a thick sh!t.

TriggerPL

Mate there was no insult till u decided to undermine my advice and for all ur trailing experience or what ever you have ! U could have saved a lot of time but just offering advice step by step to help the OP !

Jimy1971

Lads, I'm not looking to trial the dog. Just to steady her up so when I'm shooting ducks from a hide, she's not running out everytime I fire a shot.

sheebadog

TriggerPL wrote: »

Mate there was no insult till u decided to undermine my advice and for all ur trailing experience or what ever you have ! U could have saved a lot of time but just offering advice step by step to help the OP !

Yea Trigger, opinions are like a**holes - everybody has one.
I offered advice that I was given 30 years ago by trialling men some now long gone.
Sorry if I undermined your expert advice.

sheebadog

Jimy1971 wrote: »

Lads, I'm not looking to trial the dog. Just to steady her up so when I'm shooting ducks from a hide, she's not running out everytime I fire a shot.

Then Jimy, spend as long as you can afford timewise in steadying her to shot.
Repeat the exercise until she stops dead whenever she hears a shot.
When she is running loose at say 70 or 80 yards and you fire a shot she should freeze and mark.
Time spent doing this will stand to her all her life and make for a more pleasant shooting companion.

TriggerPL

U offered no advice to help with the prob at hand !!!

This is what I been trying to get into ur skull for hours now !!!

TriggerPL

sheebadog wrote: »

Then Jimy, spend as long as you can afford timewise in steadying her to shot.
Repeat the exercise until she stops dead whenever she hears a shot.
When she is running loose at say 70 or 80 yards and you fire a shot she should freeze and mark.
Time spent doing this will stand to her all her life and make for a more pleasant shooting companion.

Finally u get the idea !!!!!

TriggerPL

Any way mate best of luck training ur dog like I said feel free to pm me I'm off this now , apparently 30 year old advice , differs from the advice I've picked up over 16 years of training dogs and been in and out of trailing scene !

As for our mate , il see u on the trailing Feild soon enough when I return home and let ur dog do the talking mate .

sheebadog

TriggerPL wrote: »

U offered no advice to help with the prob at hand !!!

This is what I been trying to get into ur skull for hours now !!!

Yes I did.
If you read back I said to stop the retrieves and go back to basics.
The pup has no problems retrieving, in fact she has no problems yet.
She has owner problems.
I've trained dogs for reward, that was the easy part, training the owners was the difficult bit.
It is often very hard for owners to resist "playing" with a pups natural abilities, where time would be better spent training the basics and working on the pups weakness's.
Example; springer pup excellent retrieving ability but poor hunting ability. What do the handlers do? They throw things into cover to get the pup to enter. Then they wonder why pup dances in front of them looking at the handlers hands!
Jimy's bitch has plenty "go" but no stop. Then work on the stop.

When she has the stop he will easily teach her direction with hand signals, even to be able to send her "back" which is invaluable for blind or unmarked retrieves.
That is the training I just love teaching a pup as it's most enjoyable way to spend a summer.

sheebadog

TriggerPL wrote: »

Any way mate best of luck training ur dog like I said feel free to pm me I'm off this now , apparently 30 year old advice , differs from the advice I've picked up over 16 years of training dogs and been in and out of trailing scene !

As for our mate , il see u on the trailing Feild soon enough when I return home and let ur dog do the talking mate .

Mate????

ESB Spaniel

Watch the David Lisett DVD...... What my father used do years ago with his labs, now bearing in mind they were on the stop whistle but if he had your problem what he used start doing was walking her to heal on the lead and have a pidgeon in his bag, then he would take the pidgeon throw it and blow the whistle and pull the lead to sit and she would see the pidgeon fly away, he continued this till he could perfect it with out the lead, Then he used to introduce the shot doing the same thing while on the lead and then over time without the lead. Now he is no expert and neither am I but just what used work for him.....Steady to shot.

sheebadog

ESB Spaniel wrote: »

Watch the David Lisett DVD...... What my father used do years ago with his labs, now bearing in mind they were on the stop whistle but if he had your problem what he used start doing was walking her to heal on the lead and have a pidgeon in his bag, then he would take the pidgeon throw it and blow the whistle and pull the lead to sit and she would see the pidgeon fly away, he continued this till he could perfect it with out the lead, Then he used to introduce the shot doing the same thing while on the lead and then over time without the lead. Now he is no expert and neither am I but just what used work for him.....Steady to shot.

Good advice. Homing pigeons are an invaluable tool for putting on the polish.
Pity they are such hassle to keep.