Pyjamarama wrote: » Well rarnes would cost so much in wages. Having to pay 32 separate boards.ie accounts would kill our budget. And we can't sign you cause you'd get in a row with Danny.
slingerz wrote: » If he was excellent for Deportivo and for Athletico for years then there must have been more managers than just Scolari overlooking him. His price is a misnomer anyway as it involves Chelsea which is going to inflate the price naturally and he is coming off the back of a good season. Its just a fee and a signing that I dont see the logic too really, in that the saving on wages from Cole departing plus the improvement in ability would be minimal at best for me with Luis not having the scope to improve really
Turtyturd wrote: » *cough* *cough*
mayordenis wrote: » I'm a 27 year old left back should someone spend 20 million on me? the players are worth what they are worth.
slingerz wrote: » Fare more proven? Not sure really. At 28/29 he only really came to the fore under Simeone this season and didnt establish himself as a regular in the Brazil side either. I could well be wrong but flavor of the month to me it seems.
Johner wrote: » He was excellent for Deportivo and has been for Atletico for years. People are only hearing about him know because of the brilliant season Atletico had. I wouldn't hold it against him not being in the Brazil squad he definitely should have been in it, Scolari just had his favourites regardless of form.
Morzadec wrote: » Well Coutinho couldn't get into the Brazil side and I think we can all recognise that he surely would have brought something severely lacking to them. I wouldn't use that as a stick to beat him with. As for one good season, I would disagree also. I would say he's had 3 very good seasons, with the last one being the standout one, but really just a culmination of a string of solid performances over the two previous years. Moreno on the other hand only really has one full season under his belt, a season not as impressive as Luis' one. Don't get me wrong, from a long-term view, considering finances etc... signing Moreno for 20m makes a hell of a lot more sense than Luis at 20m. My point is that as a current player now, everything would suggest that Luis is currently superior and is ready to play to the highest level right now. Chelsea have the luxury of being able to spend big on players like this, we don't.
Pyjamarama wrote: » Cleverly... rarnes.
Pyjamarama wrote: » We could do worse than signing Cleverly... We could sign kess, Nuri or rarnes. I would say me but I was majestic on the Astro last night.
BenThere wrote: » Here's a sad fact. Unless Liverpool moves to London we're always going to be at a significant disadvantage to Chelsea and Arsenal and even Spurs if they ever manage to break into and stay in the CL positions. It's not a co-incidence that the "massive" teams in the major European leagues are in capital or "destination" type cities e.g. PSG, Monaco, Barcelona, Madrid, Milan etc. There are some exceptions like Manchester but it's increasingly difficult for the exceptions to command the attention of the really top players unless they are prepared to pay them a premium over and above what the capital/destination cities will pay them and that requires oil/arab type ownership or a foundation of mega success (Man U) which produces sponsorship deals like the Addidas £75m per annum deal Man U just completed. That's a Suarez like sale every single year for the next 10 years!!! Whether we like it or not LFC are in the 2nd tier of football clubs when it comes to financial clout and short of being taken over by an Arab who'll mess with the club for a few years and then pull the plug leaving us in a Portsmouth type situation there's nothing we can really do about it. We just have to outsmart our competition and buy cleverly which is why throwing another €4m at Moreno over and above the €16m LFC values him at just isn't viable. We simply don't have that sort of bottomless pit of cash. I'd still rather support a club which has true heritage and works hard for it's success than one which simply buys it's success. Ben
Morzadec wrote: » I'm just a little deflated to be honest. It was always going to happen I suppose, it's a bit like 'back to reality' after the dream of last season. Maybe I'm being defeatist, but you look at Chelsea and City and the calibre of players they go after and ultimately deliver, and then compare them to our punts and bargain-basement shopping, you start to feel that it's impossible to compete. I mean, they just signed a 29 year-old left-back for £20m. I totally understand the club not being able to sanction something like that, but at the end of the day Chelsea now have a truly top quality left-back for the next few years while we're looking at the likes of Davies and Bertrand. The team Chelsea are putting together now is a bit ridiculous, and obviously City have that type of team too. Can we compete? Very, very difficult imo. Having the best player in the league gave you that glimmer of hope - Suarez offered us something others clubs, even with all their millions, could only dream of. But now he's gone. Call me cynical but I think we will be waiting a long time for the type of title challenge we had last year, which makes missing out last year all the more disappointing, as I don't feel like it's a chance that's going to come around again in the foreseeable future.
Seaba wrote: » Chelsea pay 20 million (football365.com) for 28 year old Filipe Luis (29 next month) Liverpool won't pay 20 million for 22 year old Moreno (22 two weeks ago)
MonkeyTennis wrote: » So we are going into meltdown mode then yeah? Ill put it in my diary so.
Kirby wrote: » Good points tbh. And I find it curious that Rodgers publicly criticised the Spurs scattergun approach spending the Bale money last season and seems to be repeating exactly what they did. Not that I don't think some of these signings will be successful, but he has done exactly what he said he wouldn't.....buy several 20 million pound players instead of one 50 million pound one.
Morzadec wrote: » Well Felipe Luis is far more proven/better than Moreno, let's not forget that
joe123 wrote: » Please don't assume for me thanks. If people believe that Gerrard will be able to maintain a high standard week in week out with Champions league matches in between then I dont know what way they are looking at it. We leaked goals last season partly down to the fact we had no defenisve midfield cover. If Khedira is available we should be going in for him. Lucas showed last season he is struggling. Lallana cannot play defenisve mid either. By all accounts Lucas is surplus to requirements. Think it was James Pearce of the Echo who stated that we are willing to listen to offers.
Turtyturd wrote: » No match thread?
K-9 wrote: » Mirror reporting in their transfer gossip section that the Moreno deal is off (take with pinch of salt) but saying we are in for Griezman (it's on) but so are Monaco (grabs salt cellar again). €30 Million buy out clause apparently.
