Thoughts on Legalizing Marijuana

disj

I've been on Thejournal.ie and constantly see posts on this topic and comments on the topic everytime there is another raid and people arrested.
I mean, seriously?! Why is it illegal? What benefit is it being illegal? Tax payer's money goes into those raids and surely that money would be better spend umm I dunno maybe buying a few hospital beds or cracking down on real issues like the use or heroin etc??
And surely legalizing would see gangs losing out??
And then there is the money the country would make off tax alone...Insane amounts look at American states... And the jobs creation? Plus if Ireland was quick off the mark, tourism would be huge!!
Food sales would go up too!!!

I mean obviously if legalized there would have to be rules, a minimum sale amount, can't smoke and drive, can't just smoke it out on the street....

It just baffles my mind that something grown is illegal, what's next make tomatoes illegal?

I worked in a bar and saw all sorts, I've seen the nicest people turn into disgusting animals with drinks, I've seen two guys beat up someone with a stool over drink, I've seen people coked up terrify me and people of ecstasy freaking me out. And I've seen stoners come in, for a chat usually or just to listen to some music or whatever. And what did they do? Made me laugh, bought bottles of Coke or had Rock Shandy, eat crisps and almost every stoner-male or female would always wait until the end of the night if there was no security. They would wait as I cleaned, wait outside as I finished locking up, would walk me home at 2, 3,4 in the morning. They would even help me clean if I was alone. They never came by at the end of the night and tried kick the door in -happened, they never smashed glasses, threw flaming pieces of paper behind the bar-happened, never broke chairs, never started fighting....

So from my POV legalize it and stop criminalizing decent people who do feck all wrong. Oh P.S any of these stoners who came into the pub were either in college (student bar), or worked full time jobs and came in at the weekend. Almost none of them drank and those that did would have maybe one or two for the entire night.

Fr_Dougal

Welcome to the internet.

Grayson

disj wrote: »

I've been on Thejournal.ie

That's where I lost interest. If you're going to read badly regurgitated trash, read the daily mail. At least you might see a boob.

The One Who Knocks

Hang on we need to check the rota, I thought it was an abortion thread up next.

The Moldy Gowl

The One Who Knocks wrote: »

Hang on we need to check the rota, I thought it was an abortion thread up next.

No, should be knackers with no tops walking around at the first sight of sun

Kylo Ren

Yeah maaaaaaaaan. It's like *inhales* a conspiracy maaaaaan. The suits in Washington are keeping us down maaaaaaaaaaan.

Pass the Doritos maaaaaaaaan.

Samuri Suicide

Christ.

Please use search bar on top of screen. Then read.

disj

haha look im not a fan of the journal, I just have the app!! I know the writing is shocking and all they do it go onto the likes of tmz and it's a bit ctrl+c ctrl+v

I mostly go on and glance at the comments to see what people's opinions seem to be as I find that interesting

Phoebas

disj wrote: »

It just baffles my mind that something grown is illegal, what's next make tomatoes illegal?

[...]

Tax payer's [..]would be better spend [...] on real issues like the use or heroin etc??

But heroin is grown

porsche boy

Collectively this country is too narrow minded and backward to legalise.
You know the mentality... 'sure all the young babys will be addicted from birth and be taking heroin by the age of ten Joe. It's disgraceful Joe, wouldn't have it in my day Joe.
So instead we fund the illigal drugs trade and criminal gangs (image of thug cleaning prints of a gun with a fake jersey) and give the coppers something to do. It's pointless to even try.

suicide_circus

decriminalization for sure.

mad muffin

Been around the world twice. Talked to everyone once. Seen two whales ****, been to three world fairs. And I met an old man in Thailand with a wooden cock. Pushed more peeter, more sweeter and more completer than any other peter pusher around. I'm a hard bodied, hairy chested, rootin' tootin' shootin', parachutin' demolition double cap crimpin' frogman. There ain't nothin' I can't do. No sky too high, no sea too rough, no muff too tough. Been a lot of lessons in my life. Never shoot a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet. Drove all kinds of trucks. 2by's, 4by's , 6by's and those big mother ****ers that go 'Shhh Shhh' and bend in the middle. Anything in life worth doing is worth overdoing. Moderation is for cowards. I'm a lover, I'm a fighter, I'm a UDT Navy SEAL diver. I'll wine, dine, intertwine, and sneak out the back door when the refueling is done. So if you're feeling froggy, then you better jump, because this frogman's been there, done that and is going back for more. Cheers boys.

catallus

disj wrote: »

I've [..]

So from my POV .....

Your point of view seems to be blind to the after-effects of this insidious drug.

There's nothing nicer, from the pov of a barman or even the government, than a stoned person; they are mellow and malleable, all is good with the world; until the problem of coming down arises. This is when the paranoiac violence and rage comes out.

The inner illumination offered by drugs is enticing. But it is a false light.

Clandestine

Legalize all drugs I say

Zed Bank

catallus wrote: »

Your point of view seems to be blind to the after-effects of this insidious drug.

There's nothing nicer, from the pov of a barman or even the government, than a stoned person; they are mellow and malleable, all is good with the world; until the problem of coming down arises. This is when the paranoiac violence and rage comes out.

The inner illumination offered by drugs is enticing. But it is a false light.

You don't "come down" of marijuana?

neamhspleachi

Decriminalize at the least

Don't see why the average working, law abiding stiff who enjoys a toke on occasion, should be deemed criminal if found to be in possession of a bit of herb

catallus

Zed Bank wrote: »

You don't "come down" of marijuana?

That makes about as much sense as saying you don't "get high" off marijuana.

Son Of A Vidic

The One Who Knocks wrote: »

Hang on we need to check the rota, I thought it was an abortion thread up next.

I mistakenly thought we were due a dole/SW thread.

Zed Bank

catallus wrote: »

That makes about as much sense as saying you don't "get high" off marijuana.

Right. But the "come-down" isn't particularly uncomfortable or have any adverse short term effects. In my experience people generally just fall asleep (and wake up without a hangover, unlike alcohol)

Clandestine

catallus wrote: »

Your point of view seems to be blind to the after-effects of this insidious drug.

There's nothing nicer, from the pov of a barman or even the government, than a stoned person; they are mellow and malleable, all is good with the world; until the problem of coming down arises. This is when the paranoiac violence and rage comes out.

The inner illumination offered by drugs is enticing. But it is a false light.

disj

See I never claimed I was smart......
Fair enough but surely weed or using it doesn't have any of the same effects as using heroin? Surely there is not the same physical and mental addiction? Plus people don't use dirty needles or even clean ones to get it into their blood stream?? Look at no point am I going to claim I am a genius when it comes to all this but I was just wondering what the general consensus is on this issue that seems relatively valid right now.

disj

"Originally Posted by catallus View Post
Your point of view seems to be blind to the after-effects of this insidious drug.

There's nothing nicer, from the pov of a barman or even the government, than a stoned person; they are mellow and malleable, all is good with the world; until the problem of coming down arises. This is when the paranoiac violence and rage comes out.

The inner illumination offered by drugs is enticing. But it is a false light."


I have lived with stoners and I have lived with people who did other drugs. There is no come down for stoners. They have a smoke, it wears off after awhile, they have another or they don't. I've never seen stoners getting all depressed or really paranoid. The guys I lived with would have a smoke, either do stuff if they had stuff to do or watch a movie or something. If they ran out and had no cash, they didn't really care beyond, Well that's crap.

I lived with a dude I didn't realize used E and his come down was not so nice, he was a bit messed up anyway but he would get so low afterwards, for ages.... I'm sure his underlying issues were a factor but the drugs didn't help.

I also have a friend who suffers depression and uses it and while I know that is a cagey topic as often it can make things worse, as can drinking, it really helped her. She hasn't been smoking long but after anti depressants didn't work for her she was at her wits end, she started smoking and only does it the odd evening but I have never seen a girl just become so much happier in life. She smiles more, she has started finding the motivation to do things like get on the road to having a career etc her relationships with people have all improved so... the idea of a 'come down' boggles my mind. It's mind bottling.

desultory

Here's the thing, Marijuana is a gateway drug. When you smoke it, what's the first thing that comes to mind? No no, it's not how much you want to be sitting there playing fifa and eating pizza, it's going to be "Man, I should try heroin"

porsche boy

catallus wrote: »

Your point of view seems to be blind to the after-effects of this insidious drug.

There's nothing nicer, from the pov of a barman or even the government, than a stoned person; they are mellow and malleable, all is good with the world; until the problem of coming down arises. This is when the paranoiac violence and rage comes out.

The inner illumination offered by drugs is enticing. But it is a false light.

What? Paranoiac violence? From a stoner??
You sir, are indeed talking the finest grade of shyte. Next you'll be saying the halusanations from smoking lead to people jumping off sky scrapers.

Temptamperu

catallus wrote: »

That makes about as much sense as saying you don't "get high" off marijuana.

There is no come down, you get high hour later your no longer high but it puts you back to straight line.
Also your endo canabaniod system actually creates canabinoids in everyones system so weather or not you smoke it you enjoy the effects of it.

you havent a clue what your talking about.

porsche boy

desultory wrote: »

Here's the thing, Marijuana is a gateway drug. When you smoke it, what's the first thing that comes to mind? No no, it's not how much you want to be sitting there playing fifa and eating pizza, it's going to be "Man, I should try heroin"

Pfftt, everyone knows your first spliff makes you addicted to meth. Heroin is for wimps. Methamphetamine FTW!!!

disj

"Here's the thing, Marijuana is a gateway drug. When you smoke it, what's the first thing that comes to mind? No no, it's not how much you want to be sitting there playing fifa and eating pizza, it's going to be "Man, I should try heroin"

That's one of the most laughable statements ever. Not one person I know who has smoked weed thinks, 'Imma get me some of that sweet sweet heroin!!'

Anyone I know who smokes it is anti most other drugs because they know most other drugs are a totally different story, can see how they damage lives and know that they are not as pure. That is such a crazy view point, I'm all for having a discussion about something but I think things said need to have some sense or fact behind them.

Do you drink the odd pint? Surely that's a gateway to harder drinks like spirits thus making you turn into an alcoholic. Each person is different and a blanket statement like that is unnecessary.

Temptamperu

I think he was trying to be funny.

corner of hells

desultory wrote: »

Here's the thing, Marijuana is a gateway drug. When you smoke it, what's the first thing that comes to mind? No no, it's not how much you want to be sitting there playing fifa and eating pizza, it's going to be "Man, I should try heroin"

You are joking , aren't you ?

disj

oh if it was joke cool beans

desultory

Ah lads seriously? I resent that statement. I WAS BEING FUNNY.

neamhspleachi

desultory wrote: »

Ah lads seriously? I resent that statement. I WAS BEING FUNNY.

Relax, put your feet up, have a toke & chill bro

disj

Should have copped that what you said was so ridiculous it was fake!!! Must be all the heroin messing with my head

OneEightSeven

disj wrote: »

"Here's the thing, Marijuana is a gateway drug. When you smoke it, what's the first thing that comes to mind? No no, it's not how much you want to be sitting there playing fifa and eating pizza, it's going to be "Man, I should try heroin"

That's one of the most laughable statements ever. Not one person I know who has smoked weed thinks, 'Imma get me some of that sweet sweet heroin!!'

Anyone I know who smokes it is anti most other drugs because they know most other drugs are a totally different story, can see how they damage lives and know that they are not as pure. That is such a crazy view point, I'm all for having a discussion about something but I think things said need to have some sense or fact behind them.

Do you drink the odd pint? Surely that's a gateway to harder drinks like spirits thus making you turn into an alcoholic. Each person is different and a blanket statement like that is unnecessary.

Do don't realise there's a quote button for each post, right?

desultory

neamhspleachi wrote: »

Relax, put your feet up, have a toke & chill bro

Don't mind if I do

disj wrote: »

Should have copped that what you said was so ridiculous it was fake!!! Must be all the heroin messing with my head

In fairness the first time I tried weed was after a night on much harder drugs. The gateway drug argument is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard and only holds ANY kind of merit because of the drug being illegal in the first place.

catallus

desultory wrote: »

.. I WAS BEING FUNNY.

That's debatable.

disj

When I use the quote function it says I can't post links yet as I'm too new.... So I copied and pasted and felt quite the fool

Karl Stein

The prohibition farce is coming to an end. A number of states in the US have legalised marijuana and the sky hasn't fallen like conservitards would have you believe. When it becomes legal in all of the US the rest of the world will follow.

OneEightSeven

catallus wrote: »

That makes about as much sense as saying you don't "get high" off marijuana.

It doesn't make sense in your mind because you don't understand anything about marijuana.

If you smoke indica, it can make you tired, but when that wears off, you actually feel more energetic.

I've gotten paranoid panic attacks when I first started smoking hash if I'd smoke too much, but when that wears off after an hour or so, I would feel much better.

There simply is no come down from cannabis. I've never had one.

MRnotlob606

this has been done to death but sure have a go again.

disj

I hope that once Ireland sees the actual benefits of the legalisation in merica they will cop on but I fear they may be very slow off the mark. See, if our politicians were forward thinking they would start jumping on the bandwagon now, start implementing the legalization now, even if just for medical purposes. If they would open their eyes now and see the financial benefits among others they would start now and for once be seen as forward thinking. But we live in a country where despite the harm it actually does, abortion isn't even legal despite it being legal everywhere else so I fear our government will never trust the people of this country to have their own free will and would rather see honest folk arrested for something so insignificant.
I mean a report today, a 60 something year old man arrested for growing. A man in his 60's arrested for growing a plant.....

disj

Oh and no stoner wants to see their money benefit gangs or crimes, they just have no choice because if a normal citizen decides to grow and sell they are criminals according to this state so while the guards crack down on the decent people, the gangs continue to be financed.

desultory

catallus wrote: »

That's debatable.

Ah stop, I'm sorry for making you out to be absolutely ridiculous and never having any kind of a decent argument.

catallus

What's ridiculous is people saying that cannabis is a harmless drug. Its ridiculous to say that it has no downsides. Its ridiculous to promote it as a good thing for people with depression (as has been said in-thread), it is ridiculous to say "There is no come down, you get high hour later your no longer high but it puts you back to straight line." or " your "endo canabaniod" system actually creates "canabinoids" in everyone's system so weather or not you smoke it you enjoy the effects of it." It is ridiculous to say "If you smoke indica, it can make you tired, but when that wears off, you actually feel more energetic." and "There simply is no come down from cannabis."

What is it with drug-users that they want to drag everyone else into their malaise?

Personally, I couldn't care less what people want to do drugwise, if you want to dope yourself up to the eyeballs with whatever you're having yourself, but the idea of making it legal and freely available is just dumb. The damage caused by alcohol would, one thinks, give a good indicator of what an intoxicant can do if it is freely available, and that legality is, perversely, given as a reason why we should **** up society more!?

Father Bigley

The current policy of prohibition is not based on sound logic, evidence or reason.

I suspect that in 50 years time when cannabis is inevitably decriminalised in developed societies, they will look back and find the present situation quite bizarre.

desultory

catallus wrote: »

What's ridiculous is people saying that cannabis is a harmless drug. Its ridiculous to say that it has no downsides. Its ridiculous to promote it as a good thing for people with depression (as has been said in-thread), it is ridiculous to say "There is no come down, you get high hour later your no longer high but it puts you back to straight line." or " your "endo canabaniod" system actually creates "canabinoids" in everyone's system so weather or not you smoke it you enjoy the effects of it." It is ridiculous to say "If you smoke indica, it can make you tired, but when that wears off, you actually feel more energetic." and "There simply is no come down from cannabis."

What is it with drug-users that they want to drag everyone else into their malaise?

Personally, I couldn't care less what people want to do drugwise, if you want to dope yourself up to the eyeballs with whatever you're having yourself, but the idea of making it legal and freely available is just dumb. The damage caused by alcohol would, one thinks, give a good indicator of what an intoxicant can do if it is freely available, and that legality is, perversely, given as a reason why we should **** up society more!?

Cannabis and Alcohol are extremely different drugs. Cannabis isn't addictive and doesn't cause death are two of the most obvious reasons.

but carry on with your anti drug tirade, it's good having people like you against it. It makes the campaign for legalising it much stronger.

catallus

desultory wrote: »

Cannabis and Alcohol are extremely different drugs. Cannabis isn't addictive and doesn't cause death are two of the most obvious reasons.

but carry on with your anti drug tirade, it's good having people like you against it. It makes the campaign for legalising it much stronger.

"people like me"? What do you mean by that?

Zed Bank

catallus wrote: »

What's ridiculous is people saying that cannabis is a harmless drug. Its ridiculous to say that it has no downsides. Its ridiculous to promote it as a good thing for people with depression (as has been said in-thread), it is ridiculous to say "There is no come down, you get high hour later your no longer high but it puts you back to straight line." or " your "endo canabaniod" system actually creates "canabinoids" in everyone's system so weather or not you smoke it you enjoy the effects of it." It is ridiculous to say "If you smoke indica, it can make you tired, but when that wears off, you actually feel more energetic." and "There simply is no come down from cannabis."

What is it with drug-users that they want to drag everyone else into their malaise?

Personally, I couldn't care less what people want to do drugwise, if you want to dope yourself up to the eyeballs with whatever you're having yourself, but the idea of making it legal and freely available is just dumb. The damage caused by alcohol would, one thinks, give a good indicator of what an intoxicant can do if it is freely available, and that legality is, perversely, given as a reason why we should **** up society more!?

This is what the propaganda they churn out in junior cert SPHE classes does to people. The occasional smoke, like the occasional drink, is not going to harm anyone.

desultory

catallus wrote: »

"people like me"? What do you mean by that?

People that make silly arguments and claims about it.

InTheTrees

Its been completely legal for over a year here in Washington State, and the first shops are due to open next week.

The delay has been due to the fact that the shops can only sell weed that has been grown under license in Washington state. Thus cutting the criminals out of the loop.

So on Monday the retail licenses will be active and the shops can open on Tuesday morning. Its looks like there will be major shortages for awhile but it should stabilize pretty quickly as the major producers come online.

Interesting times.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2023970923_potlicense2xml.html

catallus

Ye crazy yanks, smokin' the ganja.