Protest in Dublin June 19th

blue5000

Naw health is a poisioned chalice, more likely justice or foreign affairs in the re shuffle next week.

Conmaicne Mara

The grapevine isn't giving great signals for farmers with commonage regarding GLAS.

It seems the 80% rule is no more.

But, in it's place is a 50% of shareholders OR 50% of the land area rule.

An improvement surely, well, no, but why not?

Consider this, Teagasc won't be involved with GLAS plans, so take their planners out of the equation.

So now it's down to private planners who do not have the capacity to do 30,000 plans in one year, more like 10,000 for the entire country even with new planners drafted in.

Now, if you were a private planner who is getting paid to complete GLAS plans, where is the money?

Will you pick a group of anything from 2 to almost 600 (Achill for example) commonage farmers, and try to get agreement there which could take a lot of time?

Or

Will you pick farmers who have no involvement with commonage and get to make decisions for their own farm?

GLAS will be an abject failure for commonage areas. There will be a scheme in place but commonage farmers will be effectively locked out of it.

Get on to your TD's.

moy83

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

The grapevine isn't giving great signals for farmers with commonage regarding GLAS.

It seems the 80% rule is no more.

But, in it's place is a 50% of shareholders OR 50% of the land area rule.

An improvement surely, well, no, but why not?

Consider this, Teagasc won't be involved with GLAS plans, so take their planners out of the equation.

So now it's down to private planners who do not have the capacity to do 30,000 plans in one year, more like 10,000 for the entire country even with new planners drafted in.

Now, if you were a private planner who is getting paid to complete GLAS plans, where is the money?

Will you pick a group of anything from 2 to almost 600 (Achill for example) commonage farmers, and try to get agreement there which could take a lot of time?

Or

Will you pick farmers who have no involvement with commonage and get to make decisions for their own farm?

GLAS will be an abject failure for commonage areas. There will be a scheme in place but commonage farmers will be effectively locked out of it.

Get on to your TD's.

Why wont Teagasc be involved ? Too much work for them
Really seems that the govt are washing their hands of hill farmers when Teagasc wont be involved in it

Conmaicne Mara

moy83 wrote: »

Why wont Teagasc be involved ? Too much work for them
Really seems that the govt are washing their hands of hill farmers when Teagasc wont be involved in it

They're low on advisers I think, so GLAS would push them over the edge. Basically like you say, too much work.

This is discrimination to save money plain and simple, there's zero nada nothing in the EU regs that says collective agreement is needed.

The ironic thing is the way <MOD Snip> Simon has now been wrong three times. First the 80% rule, then adding a 50% rule, and now dropping the 80% rule. He hasn't a ****ing clue.

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rangler1

moy83 wrote: »

Why wont Teagasc be involved ? Too much work for them
Really seems that the govt are washing their hands of hill farmers when Teagasc wont be involved in it

Teagasc haven't enough advisers, can't take on any more work

moy83

rangler1 wrote: »

Teagasc haven't enough advisers, can't take on any more work

Isnt it amazing , what's stopping them taking on more advisors ? Im with a private adviser , he is cheaper and way better than our previous teagasc lad .
I don't think the advisory business is losing money so cant see whats stopping them taking on a few more lads to deal with the work load .
It comes across to me that they know the glas scheme isn't going to work especially in hill farmers sitiation and just dont want to be involved in a mess that will see them let down

rangler1

moy83 wrote: »

Isnt it amazing , what's stopping them taking on more advisors ? Im with a private adviser , he is cheaper and way better than our previous teagasc lad .
I don't think the advisory business is losing money so cant see whats stopping them taking on a few more lads to deal with the work load .
It comes across to me that they know the glas scheme isn't going to work especially in hill farmers sitiation and just dont want to be involved in a mess that will see them let down

The budget won't let them take on any more staff, we're better off with private sector workers, then everyone has to depend on their own performance to get repeat work, I'm sick of the public service letting us down.
I thought someone letting a wheel fall off a ambulance illustrated my argument beautifully and I doubt if anyone lost their job

moy83

rangler1 wrote: »

The budget won't let them take on any more staff, we're better off with private sector workers, then everyone has to depend on their own performance to get repeat work, I'm sick of the public service letting us down.
I thought someone letting a wheel fall off a ambulance illustrated my argument beautifully and I doubt if anyone lost their job

Id say you could take the 4 wheels off and sell them on the side of the road and still wouldn't lose your job in the HSE .

Reggie.

moy83 wrote: »

Id say you could take the 4 wheels off and sell them on the side of the road and still wouldn't lose your job in the HSE .

There's 6 wheels on an ambulance moy :P

Conmaicne Mara

rangler1 wrote: »

The budget won't let them take on any more staff, we're better off with private sector workers, then everyone has to depend on their own performance to get repeat work, I'm sick of the public service letting us down.
I thought someone letting a wheel fall off a ambulance illustrated my argument beautifully and I doubt if anyone lost their job

If there were enough private sector workers then maybe so, the problem now is that there isn't. So while the Gubberment say 30,000 farmers will be let into GLAS, the reality is it'll be more like 10k a year.

Suits the Government as they save money while unashamedly say there's a scheme there.

Suits private planners as it keeps them in jam work for years.

Suits some private land farmers.

Suits probably 10% if that of commonage farmers.

Poor Farmer in the hills

Does anybody know what "collective agreement"will entail. We need some detail on glas to see exactly what kind of mess it will be. Is there not a legal argument where active farmers are putting an agreement in place on how to farm somebody elses land (dormant shares) could it be said they are trying to claim the land.

Conmaicne Mara

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

Does anybody know what "collective agreement"will entail. We need some detail on glas to see exactly what kind of mess it will be. Is there not a legal argument where active farmers are putting an agreement in place on how to farm somebody elses land (dormant shares) could it be said they are trying to claim the land.

I don't, aside from what ever % will have to agree on the same day! Believe there will also only be one planner per commonage - see above,w ill any be interested?

Consider this, what about farmers in AEOS 1,2 & 3? What will their status be?

I heard a rumour a fair while ago that farmers in AEOS 3 could jump into AEOS, I can't confirm it though.

Question is, will they want to? I've often said I'm in no hurry out of AEOS 1, haven't seen anything to change my mind on that yet.

Then, what happens to farmers in AEOS 1 & 2, plus dormant shares, plus a substantial % of farmers who through REPS and AEOS never wanted to join any environmental plan.

Oh, and forget about GLAS + unless you have freshwater pearl mussels or hen harrier.

I said

moy83 wrote: »

Id say you could take the 4 wheels off and sell them on the side of the road and still wouldn't lose your job in the HSE .

Ya get what ya pay for public service doesn't give a **** when bosses are saying tighten your belt and they are still gorging at the trock them selfs

I said

rangler1 wrote: »

The budget won't let them take on any more staff, we're better off with private sector workers, then everyone has to depend on their own performance to get repeat work, I'm sick of the public service letting us down.
I thought someone letting a wheel fall off a ambulance illustrated my argument beautifully and I doubt if anyone lost their job

IFA carries on like the public sector,employs plenty and does fcuk all especially considering BEEF crisis

Conmaicne Mara

I said wrote: »

IFA carries on like the public sector,employs plenty and does fcuk all especially considering BEEF crisis

Got a letter from them there on Friday I think it was about cancelling the levy. Big long spiel about all they're doing for me but they don't have enough information to cancel levy and to contact office, which I have done, waiting for call back now to confirm cancellation.

Conmaicne Mara

http://www.ifa.ie/progress-on-rural-development-plan-must-be-built-on/#.U7Q2fPldVy0

http://icsaireland.ie/news/33-press-releases/519-icsa-secures-commitments-from-minister-coveney-on-rural-development-plan

Seems there's some confusion on GLAS+

If the % agreements stay it won't make any difference whether Natura is 7, 75 or $120 per ha, farmers won't get it. EU values that land at €150.

Conmaicne Mara

IFJ front page tomorrow:

€4bn rural fund finalised

Commonage payment rate upped €75 to €120 on up to 42ha.

80% dropped BUT agreement still required. Coveney indicated this could be 50% of active shareholders OR owners of 50% of commonage area.

Payment rate of €79ha for private Natura sites (ie SAC).

Farmers in commonages that agreed to a commonage plan could also access GLAS+ of up to €2,000.