Multiple People Shot in Walmart Las Vegas 5 Dead (Curently) in Suicide Pact

take the guns away already how many more have to die before something happen i really thought when all those kids died it was the boiling point but yet is was not

http://www.mynews3.com/mostpopular/story/Five-killed-including-2-Metro-officers-in-shootout/D9ijUJ5li0WVolLrKpXz6A.cspx



R.I.P to the victims and there families

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

take the guns away already how many more have to die before something happen i really thought when all those kids died it was the boiling point but yet is was not

http://www.mynews3.com/mostpopular/story/Five-killed-including-2-Metro-officers-in-shootout/D9ijUJ5li0WVolLrKpXz6A.cspx

Thank god in countries such as Ireland where access to guns is controlled and handgun are illegal there's never any gun crime.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Thank god in countries such as Ireland where access to guns is controlled and handgun are illegal there's never any gun crime.

gun nuts say Truly tragic events. If this is true it isn't about guns though, its about crazy people. yet crazy people with easy access to guns

PizzamanIRL

If you want to kill yourself just do it and get the **** off this earth instead of killing random people before you do it. Gob****es.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

gun nuts say Truly tragic events. If this is true it isn't about guns though, its about crazy people. yet crazy people with easy access to guns

Guns do t kill people. If someone intends to go out and kill another person then they'll find a way, gun or no gun

Elmer Blooker

Deleted User wrote: »

gun nuts say Truly tragic events. If this is true it isn't about guns though, its about crazy people. yet crazy people with easy access to guns

Do you mean the NRA when you say crazy people?

darkpagandeath

Deleted User wrote: »

Guns do t kill people. If someone intends to go out and kill another person then they'll find a way, gun or no gun

Pretty hard to stab(insert other method) a load of adults to death without being restrained, Fairly easy to shoot people though. Easy access to guns is the problem esp people who are not mentally stable. not trying to sound harsh.

El Weirdo

Deleted User wrote: »

Guns do t kill people.

... rappers do.

wazky

El Weirdo wrote: »

... rappers do.

Bullets do?

El Weirdo

El Weirdo wrote: »

... rappers do.

You too saw that documentary on the BBC2

darkpagandeath

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Pretty hard to stab(insert other method) a load of adults to death without being restrained, Fairly easy to shoot people though. Easy access to guns is the problem esp people who are not mentally stable. not trying to sound harsh.

Plenty of incidents when individuals armed with knives have gone on a rampage. All well and good saying its easy to restrain someone with a knife but I don't imagine many people would be quick to try it

TeddyTedson

wazky wrote: »

Bullets do?

No it's always rappers, from Bristol zoo.

Razleavy

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Pretty hard to stab(insert other method) a load of adults to death without being restrained, Fairly easy to shoot people though. Easy access to guns is the problem esp people who are not mentally stable. not trying to sound harsh.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367

29 killed and 130 injured due to knife wielding men.

wendell borton

El Weirdo wrote: »

... rappers do.

Seen it in a documentary on bbc2.

mad muffin

I wonder what is it about America that has so many people, young people, that go on murder sprees?

darkpagandeath

Deleted User wrote: »

Plenty of incidents when individuals armed with knives have gone on a rampage. All well and good saying its easy to restrain someone with a knife but I don't imagine many people would be quick to try it

True but are the body counts anywhere near what they are when a gun is used. I find it interesting pro gun people in the USA saying the solution is more guns. Not saying you, If more guns was the solution why don't you get these people taken down by other members of the public as soon as they start firing ? Seems to me that all more guns do is give easy access to guns to go on rampages.

Razleavy wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367

29 killed and 130 injured due to knife wielding men.

Not a very good example that one in China, Those perpetrators were probably specifically trained in using these weapons your general Joe public i doubt could cause that amount of carnage.

TeddyTedson

Deleted User wrote: »

Guns do t kill people. If someone intends to go out and kill another person then they'll find a way, gun or no gun

I had this argument on boards previously some gun nuts went wild in America.
Guns make it childs play to kill multiple people. A knife is obviously dangerous but not in the same sense. There's also the argument that some counties can have little murders with relaxed gun laws but this doesn't seem to be the case in the US.
They really should crush the NRA in this everlasting debate and just tighten their gun laws for the good of the country. The argument that it keeps their freedom is nonsense.

Razleavy

darkpagandeath wrote: »

True but are the body counts anywhere near what they are when a gun is used. I find it interesting pro gun people in the USA saying the solution is more guns. Not saying you, If more guns was the solution why don't you get these people taken down by other members of the public as soon as they start firing ? Seems to me that all more guns do is give easy access to guns to go on rampages.

29 people dead from a knife attack isn't anywhere near as many as a gun? 130 injured in that same attack all from knives.

poisonated

Vegas is a fairly dangerous spot. I was in that cicis before. Odd!

darkpagandeath

Razleavy wrote: »

29 people dead from a knife attack isn't anywhere near as many as a gun? 130 injured in that same attack all from knives.

See my edited post. As i said generally this was an extreme example of what could be achieved by multiple men with bladed weapons. I highly doubt someone without any bladed weapon combat training could come anywhere near that. is a little dishonest to say there generally as dangerous as guns. As if they were why would solders bother with guns and not just use bladed weapons....

And were talking about mass shootings in America.

Renegade Mechanic

It really is probably time the U.S reviewed their gun laws. When they were initially drawn up, guns were less powerful, both guns and people were less common and the sort of ****e thats happening with increasing regularity today, was less common aswell.
Time to change, America.

darkpagandeath

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

It really is probably time the U.S reviewed their gun laws. When they were initially drawn up, guns were less powerful, both guns and people were less common and the sort of ****e thats happening with increasing regularity today, was less common aswell.
Time to change, America.

True and they have shown multiple times through recent history that culturally they are not responsible enough to have easy access to this level of firepower. I mean in public circulation.

Herb Powell

Deleted User wrote: »

Thank god in countries such as Ireland where access to guns is controlled and handgun are illegal there's never any gun crime.

Oh for fucck sake, there is no comparison.

Davei141

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I had this argument on boards previously some gun nuts went wild in America.
Guns make it childs play to kill multiple people. A knife is obviously dangerous but no in the same sense. There's also the argument that some counties can have little murders with relaxed gun laws but this doesn't seem to be the case in the US.
They really should crush the NRA in this everlasting debate and just tighten their gun laws for the good of the country. The argument that it keeps their freedom is nonsense.

"Tighten up the gun laws!"

Yeah because people in America will not have access to the millions of weapons in circulation because the laws are stricter.

This a society wide problem of wanting to be infamous in death. Guns are once again the symptom not the cause, but don't let that stop the lazy agenda pushers.

c_man

mad muffin wrote: »

I wonder what is it about America that has so many people, young people, that go on murder sprees?

Yeah, this. Far more important that a debate on the second amendment imo.

darkpagandeath

Davei141 wrote: »

"Tighten up the gun laws!"

Yeah because people in America will not have access to the millions of weapons in circulation because the laws are stricter.

This a society wide problem of wanting to be infamous in death. Guns are once again the symptom not the cause, but don't let that stop the lazy agenda pushers.

Yes Guns are the symptom of guns being used to carry out mass Gun killings.

c_man wrote: »

Yeah, this. Far more important that a debate on the second amendment imo.

When do said young people not generally use guns to commit these mass shootings ? Surely easy access to guns is a problem. People have access to make bombs in America but you don’t get many mass bombings do you ?

RustyNut

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Do you mean the NRA when you say crazy people?

It was some of their people who recommended arming teachers a
fter the last school shooting.

Definitely crazy.

darkpagandeath

RustyNut wrote: »

It was some of their people who recommended arming teachers a
fter the last school shooting.

Definitely crazy.

Plenty of the public in America are armed yet you still get mass shootings that's what I'm trying to point out. So why is the answer more guns that's what i don't get

o1s1n

darkpagandeath wrote: »

access to make bombs in America but you don’t get many mass bombings do you ?

Building a bomb and having it detonate successfully is a tad more difficult than pulling a trigger.

The US isn't shy of bombings though. Remember the pressure cooker one recently at the marathon?

Muise...

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

It really is probably time the U.S reviewed their gun laws. When they were initially drawn up, guns were less powerful, both guns and people were less common and the sort of ****e thats happening with increasing regularity today, was less common aswell.
Time to change, America.

When they were initially drawn up, the brand new nation had just fought an empire for its independence and thought it'd be handy to have a standing militia to protect itself. 200+ years later, when they are the empire... not so handy.

Davei141

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yes Guns are the symptom of guns being used to carry out mass Gun killings.



When do said young people not generally use guns to commit these mass shootings ? Surely easy access to guns is a problem. People have access to make bombs in America but you don’t get many mass bombings do you ?

So no guns = no mass killings is that how it goes? Keep dreaming.

darkpagandeath

Davei141 wrote: »

So no guns = no mass killings is that how it goes? Keep dreaming.

Yes no guns = No mass Gun killings that's how it works.

o1s1n wrote: »

Building a bomb and having it detonate successfully is a tad more difficult than pulling a trigger.

The US isn't shy of bombings though. Remember the pressure cooker one recently at the marathon?

Terror attacks are slightly different to Joe public getting hold of a gun and going on a mass shooting spree don't you think ?

Davei141

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yes no guns = No mass Gun killings that's how it works.

Genius. How about no people = no mass killings? or no death = no mass killings. So we are pigeon holing mass killings based on how they are carried out and what instruments are used. That is a sound position to take...

TeddyTedson

Davei141 wrote: »

"Tighten up the gun laws!"

Yeah because people in America will not have access to the millions of weapons in circulation because the laws are stricter.

This a society wide problem of wanting to be infamous in death. Guns are once again the symptom not the cause, but don't let that stop the lazy agenda pushers.

Yeah because there wouldn't be a gun amnesty or anything, that would be madness.

darkpagandeath

Davei141 wrote: »

Genius. How about no people = no mass killings? or no death = no mass killings. So we are pigeon holing mass killings based on how they are carried out and what instruments are used. That is a sound position to take...

What's that have to do with no gun = no mass gun killings ? your grasping at straws to make out guns are not that bad. Care to read the title of the thread ?

Davei141

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Yeah because there wouldn't be a gun amnesty or anything, that would be madness.

This is fantasy stuff, do you even believe the crap you are typing?

Witchie

poisonated wrote: »

Vegas is a fairly dangerous spot. I was in that cicis before. Odd!

I was in that Walmart. While Vegas can be dangerous there doesn't seem to be more of this type of incident there. It's crazy that they give guns to anyone over there.

Davei141

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What's that have to do with no gun = no mass gun killings ? your grasping at straws to make out guns are not that bad.

I give up. You've got me with the excellently placed "mass GUN killings". Because talking about mass killings in general is just too difficult to grasp for you, and it weakens whatever point you are making.

o1s1n

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Terror attacks are slightly different to Joe public getting hold of a gun and going on a mass shooting spree don't you think ?

'Terror attack' is just a silly catch all phrase to scare the American public.

When you boil it down its the same thing in most cases - nutter(s) killing people.

How is someone going on a shooting spree not a 'terror attack'?

The Diabolical Monocle

Dont take the firearms away.

Change the type of firearm available.

There is a practical, justifiable use for certain firearms.

Others are completely un-necessary designs with no practical purpose.


.50ae pistol - oh its for duck hunting.
cylinder 100 round magazine - yip ... security. (from the invading Chinese it would seem)

Azwaldo55

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Pretty hard to stab(insert other method) a load of adults to death without being restrained, Fairly easy to shoot people though. Easy access to guns is the problem esp people who are not mentally stable. not trying to sound harsh.

It is actually very hard to restrain someone if they are armed with a knife.

This is a police training video which demonstrates the lethal threat of knives to armed officers.

This is why in knife v gun situations suspects who do not drop their knife can expect to get shot.

Witcher

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Dont take the firearms away.

Change the type of firearm available.

There is a practical, justifiable use for certain firearms.

Others are completely un-necessary designs with no practical purpose.


.50ae pistol - oh its for duck hunting.
cylinder 100 round magazine - yip ... security. (from the invading Chinese it would seem)

The firearms that are used are generally run of the mill rifles right off the shelf.

You never hear of .50 cal Desert Eagles being used or .50BMG's etc.. It's generally an off the shelf .223 or a pistol. Banning the more obscure things will have no effect.

Davei141

o1s1n wrote: »

'Terror attack' is just a silly catch all phrase to scare the American public.

When you boil it down its the same thing in most cases - nutter(s) killing people.

How is someone going on a shooting spree not a 'terror attack'?

Isn't it funny how people are making up rules to try bolster their arguments?

darkpagandeath

Davei141 wrote: »

I give up. You've got me with the excellently placed "mass GUN killings". Because talking about mass killings in general is just too difficult to grasp for you, and it weakens whatever point you are making.

Are you missing the point people are talking about mass gun killings in America and the need to look at tighter gun control. Your the one bringing in “oh other mass killings happen” to deflect from guns being a problem.

Davei141

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Are you missing the point people are talking about mass gun killings in America and the need to look at tighter gun control. Your the one bringing in “oh other mass killings happen” to deflect from guns being a problem.

Eh my point as pretty obvious. The problem isn't guns the problem is American society having the need to go on spree killings and being immortalised through infamy. In your fantasy land we ban guns and all of a sudden everyone turns into shiny happy people who don't feel the need to spree kill.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Thank god in countries such as Ireland where access to guns is controlled and handgun are illegal there's never any gun crime.

Aye, was down in Lidl today and ran across the road because someone was on a spree killing with an assault rifle he bought from the supermarket. All the while I wished I was in America and could safely go to the shop.
Actually no, that didn't happen at all.

porsche959

Deleted User wrote: »

Thank god in countries such as Ireland where access to guns is controlled and handgun are illegal there's never any gun crime.

Statistically, at a rate of one third of the US however.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

Witcher

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Are you missing the point people are talking about mass gun killings in America and the need to look at tighter gun control. Your the one bringing in “oh other mass killings happen” to deflect from guns being a problem.

The laws on firearms have always been loose in the US but you didn't have shootings on this scale and frequency. The laws in the US are tighter than they were 30 years ago but shootings like this have increased so there are other factors at play beyond 'de gunz'.

Un Croissant

Five posts and counting until the 'cars kill people too. Should we ban cars now' argument appears.

Davei141

Blay wrote: »

The laws on firearms have always been loose in the US but you didn't have shootings on this scale and frequency. The laws in the US are tighter than they were 30 years ago but shootings like this have increased so there are other factors at play beyond 'de gunz'.

So easy to blame one easy target than deal with the complex problem of a ****ed up society that makes spree killings the norm.

darkpagandeath

Davei141 wrote: »

Eh my point as pretty obvious. The problem isn't guns the problem is American society having the need to go on spree killings and being immortalised through infamy. In your fantasy land we ban guns and all of a sudden everyone turns into shiny happy people who don't feel the need to spree kill.

How many mass killings have you heard of in America in recent years that has not involved guns, Minus 9/11 any terror attack and Boston bombings. Never said mass killings wont go on. But it would be a dam sure there would be a lot less in America without loads of guns floating around.