A sorry Tale !

snipe49

What a shame' If you dock the tails of your pups u are breaking the law. I will never buy a springer cocker or german pointer with a long tail. !

Cass

I going to say this for both our existing members and our new visitors.

Cut out the crap, and be civil. Read the rules of this forum and understand what is and is not allowed. If your only objective is to insult or try to embarrass people on their grammar then i suggest you go else where or the Mods will make that decision for you.

Lastly the topic of Ethics is tightly regulated on this forum so again read the rules before posting.


End of.

snipe49

If you believe it's not needed. What type of working dogs do you have.

deeksofdoom

snipe49 wrote: »

What a shame' If you dock the tails of your pups u are breaking the law. I will never buy a springer cocker or german pointer with a long tail. !

Sur everyone knows that:eek:

whupdedo

deeksofdoom wrote: »

Sur everyone knows that:eek:

Why Is it better to have a dog with a short tail when out hunting?, genuine question

snipe49

whupdedo wrote: »

Why Is it better to have a dog with a short tail when out hunting?, genuine question

For dogs that work in heavy cover like brambles when on send they will wag there tail and if it is long it will get cut badley at the end.

whupdedo

snipe49 wrote: »

For dogs that work in heavy cover live brambles when on send they will wag there tail and if it is long it will get cut badley at the end.

Ok, well then surely it would b better for the dog to have a short tail to stop this happening, I'm sure if it was done as usual a day or 2 after birth it would never affect the dog in later life

TriggerPL

This is the same bull sh1t all the time , people making rules that don't have a clue about the breed , fair enough rotties and the likes . But it will shorten the life of ur spaniel working , and mayb restrict the amount of hunting ya so because of an injured tail .

I for one will still dock tails on any spaniels I ever breed

deeksofdoom

whupdedo wrote: »

Why Is it better to have a dog with a short tail when out hunting?, genuine question

Because when a dog with a long tail is hunting in heavy cover i.e. briars, because the dogs tail is wagging so much it can get cut and torn.

Its better to dock the tail on a hunting dog when its young rather than let a long tail get torn when its older this can cause a lot of distress to a dog.

650gs

I might be wrong but think working dogs are exempt

snipe49

650gs wrote: »

I might be wrong but think working dogs are exempt

I think u'llfind your wrong there pal.

TriggerPL

As of 6st of March 2014 , tail docking and removal of dew claws is illegal , unless causing pain to dog true injury etc ,

However , certain working dog are exempted . Under the same law .

I'm still trying to find the list of exempted dogs .

TriggerPL

Working dogs , spaniels terriers , pointers etc there in black and white .

Must be done before there 8 days old . A vet can do it once u prove that there going to be used for hunting .

Gud to know this stuff .

TriggerPL

PROHIBITION ON TAIL DOCKING AND DEW CLAW REMOVAL (DOGS) REGULATIONS 2014
The Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine, in exercise of the powers conferred on him by section 36 of the Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013 (No.15 of 2013), hereby makes the following regulations:
1. These Regulations may be cited as the Prohibition on Tail Docking and Dew Claw Removal (Dogs) Regulations 2014 and come into operation on 6 March 2014.
2. In these Regulations—
“Act” means Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013; “declaration” means a dec- laration to which Regulation 6 applies; “pointer” includes any combination of types of pointer; “spaniel” includes any combination of types of spaniel;
“terrier” includes any combination of types of terrier.
3. Subject to Regulation 4, a person shall not remove or cause or permit another person to remove the tail or part of the tail or the dew claws of a dog.
4. (1) For the purposes of section 16 of the Act, a veterinary practitioner or a veterinary nurse (within the meaning of the Veterinary Practice Act 2005) may remove the tail or part of the tail or the dew claws of a pointer, spaniel or terrier in respect of which that part of a declaration that is to be completed by the owner or person having possession or control of the dog has been completed by the owner or person having possession or control of the dog, if—
(a) the dog has not attained the age of 8 days,
(b) the dam of the dog, or adequate evidence that the dam has died since whelping, is produced to the veterinary practitioner or veterinary nurse, and
(c) the veterinary practitioner or veterinary nurse, on the basis of evi- dence specified in paragraph (2) produced to him or her has reason- able cause to believe that the dog is to be used in connection with lawful pest control or the lawful hunting or shooting of animals.
(2) The evidence referred to in paragraph (1)(c) is—
(a) a letter from a gamekeeper, the owner or occupier of land, the owner or lessee of shooting rights, a person responsible for the organisation of a shoot, an official of a live quarry shooting club acting in that

meathstevie

I have a viszla lab cross with tail intact, approx 7 months old. Spoke to the vet about it and they reckoned that there's still more wire cut injuries to chest and legs coming through the door than undocked tail injuries. On the other hand I was informed that if tail injuries would become an issue with my dog that they would be able to perform an amputation under anesthetic on welfare grounds.

TriggerPL

meathstevie wrote: »

I have a viszla lab cross with tail intact, approx 7 months old. Spoke to the vet about it and they reckoned that there's still more wire cut injuries to chest and legs coming through the door than undocked tail injuries. On the other hand I was informed that if tail injuries would become an issue with my dog that they would be able to perform an amputation under anesthetic on welfare grounds.

Yes mate ! But ur dog isn't breed for going into heavy cover , spaniels are the most common for tail injuries , and the fact that most men wouldn bring the dog to the vet for a tail injurie , they would just let it heel unless it got infected .

Injuries to the tail are never by fencing , or rare unless a hedge has grown over an old fence

allan450

iv rang several vets and no one will do it not worth the risk with vets council iv asked in trialing scene and their trying to find one also.you can go across the border and get it done with paper work.whats the story if you do dock them yourself i was told that the vet might not microchip them then.or he/she could report you.you have to now do a course also to microchip yourself

TriggerPL

Exactly mate microchip them ur self ! If you wanted to bring in the legislation to ur vet and show him that he's within the laws then maybe he will consider . But at the moment he's not sure on the law and covering there own asses

snipe49

TriggerPL wrote: »

Exactly mate microchip them ur self ! If you wanted to bring in the legislation to ur vet and show him that he's within the laws then maybe he will consider . But at the moment he's not sure on the law and covering there own asses

where about's would i get one of those microchip machines. would like to get one.

allan450

not sure about the microchiping but you have to do a course on it [more money].il just go across into enniskillen to get it done.whats going to happen now is people will get them chipped at say 4 weeks by the vets then put the rubber bands on them selfs witch will cause serious pain for the pups.all because no more is sure of this stupid legislation.

TriggerPL

snipe49 wrote: »

where about's would i get one of those microchip machines. would like to get one.

Elfgroup.net mate . Everything u want and there in Kildare

Invincible

allan450 wrote: »

iv rang several vets and no one will do it not worth the risk with vets council iv asked in trialing scene and their trying to find one also.you can go across the border and get it done with paper work.whats the story if you do dock them yourself i was told that the vet might not microchip them then.or he/she could report you.you have to now do a course also to microchip yourself

What part of the Country are you in? Is it a pup you need docked?

snipe49

TriggerPL wrote: »

Elfgroup.net mate . Everything u want and there in Kildare

Thanks for that pal i check them out.

223vmax

allan450 wrote: »

you have to now do a course also to microchip yourself

Really? Not doubting but do you have evidence to support? Do the IKC not accept pups chipped by breeders unless they have done a course?

SureHowBad

snipe49 wrote: »

where about's would i get one of those microchip machines. would like to get one.

You can have a look at this crowd as well "animalguard.ie"



I have bought microchips of them before and found them very good to deal with.