Ultra Discussion Thread

Enduro

dublin runner wrote: »

I know this is going off-topic but I fundamentally disagree with the above. The only small bit I agree is that most will 'eventually cover the distance'. Now, that may take 8 hours for the marathon or 50 minutes for the 5k but eventually most will. I would argue that the an 8 hour marathon is not an achievement for an able bodied person but that's a whole different discussion!

You really can not compare 42k to 250k+. It's like comparing a piece of music to the reliability of a 2007 Volkswagen Passat! Either you are down playing the difficulty of an ultra distance (like the one mentioned) or are seriously overestimating the fitness of the average Irish adult.

Well, we're in the ultra discussion thread, so we're well on thread topic! Very much so, I'd say

You're actually agreeing with me... Most people will eventually cover the distance. It's taking extremes to get the point accross, but that's exactly what I'm saying. Covering the distance is not a problem once you have the time and support to do it.

Now when you argue that covering in 8 hours is not an achievement you're now really starting to get the point I'm trying to make.... It's the time over the distance that determines the level of achievement, not the distance itself. How long that distance happens to be is not really relevant. You've pretty much nailed what I'm trying to point out!

So far this year alone I've run three races way longer than 250k. I think I can compare 42K with 250k with the full benifit of experience, not just theory. There's nothing magical about any particular distance, whether it be 42k or 250k. They are as comparable as 10k to 42k, for example. Anyone who races both distances should be able to make performance comparisons between.

I really don't think I'm downplaying the difficulty of ultra distance. Distance is just distance. You're creating some kind of artificial barrier/limitation there. Fitness isn't a limitation in completing distance, given enough time. Fitness is a limitation on completing any distance in a specific time though.

Can you give me an estimate, to the nearest meter if possible, what the average distance limit of the average Irish adult is? And if not, why not?

dublin runner

Enduro wrote: »

..................Can you give me an estimate, to the nearest meter if possible, what the average distance limit of the average Irish adult is? And if not, why not?

Ok, fair enough. I think to argue that anyone can cover any distance is fair enough. It is though a bit of a ridiculous statement. In no way could the average person cover an ultra distance in one continuous run. They could: run 10m, walk 1 mile, stop for lunch, run 10m, walk 1 mile, stay overnight in a hotel and repeat until finished. An extreme example but they would finish. Eventually. So yes, your argument does hold some water!

I have no idea how hard running 250k is. I doubt I ever will. I don't set and limitations on myself but I want to first get my 5k/10k/marathon times as far down as possible before even thinking about such a feat.

The average Irish adult is incredibly unfit. I know as four years ago I was one of the majority. The average fitness is shocking but that's an argument for another day.

Enduro

TheGreenMile wrote: »

But the first sentence of my op explains my view. I never said 'complete, finish, walk or jog the distance', I said RUN the distance.

Ahhh... but that's not necessarily an indicator either. I've been at a 24 hour race where the female winner walked the entire thing (she covered well over 160km). That was very impressive (and a brilliant patient race strategy). Fast walking can beat slow running, especially over longer distances.
Equally someone, could run 100 meters, take a break, recover, run another 100 meters etc. That would still be running the distance. (As a side point, Don didn't RUN the WW back to back in 37 hours... he's much faster than that. He had to have either (a) walked a few bits or (b) had some rests or (c) most likely of all a bit of both.... as all bar the uber-elites would).

In the end it is the speed over the (full) distance that determines the relative merit of the achievement. Completing the distance is easy. Completing the distance in a good time is not easy, irrespective of the distance.

TheGreenMile wrote: »

I completely agree with you on most of your views. Too many so called legends out there who managed to cross a finish line are now completely amazing. RSP syndrome. This wasnt one of them.
Dublin runner worded it perfectly: Either you are down playing the difficulty of an ultra distance (like the one mentioned) or are seriously overestimating the fitness of the average Irish adult.

I think you guys are seriously hugely overestimating the difficulty of covering distances! All it takes is time.

TheGreenMile wrote: »

But by saying its not that difficult can be taken as a positive. Its fuelling the fire for someone to take on the challenge.
So Enduro? How u fixed? 😉

Spot on that its a positive. Anyone can take on the challenge. You guys are seriously overestimating the difficult (because there is very little) in simply covering distance... any distance.

Me...the only thing fueling my fire here would be to prove the point by going out and running WW-B2B as a weekend training run. 2 things stop me from doing that. (1) Respect for Don. He's been targetting this for a while. (2) It's not a record I have any real interest in. But even to do it as a training run would have a large effect on my ability to train for my next upcoming "A" race (which is The Spine... not too far away now).

pistol_75

Enduro wrote: »

Me...the only thing fueling my fire here would be to prove the point by going out and running WW-B2B as a weekend training run. 2 things stop me from doing that. (1) Respect for Don. He's been targetting this for a while. (2) It's not a record I have any real interest in. But even to do it as a training run would have a large effect on my ability to train for my next upcoming "A" race (which is The Spine... not too far away now).

As a matter of interest what time do you think you could do the WW-B2B in(not a training run)?

Enduro

dublin runner wrote: »

It is though a bit of a ridiculous statement. In no way could the average person cover an ultra distance in one continuous run. They could: run 10m, walk 1 mile, stop for lunch, run 10m, walk 1 mile, stay overnight in a hotel and repeat until finished. An extreme example but they would finish. Eventually. So yes, your argument does hold some water!

It's not ridiculous (because its true), but its absolutely taking the arguement out to the extreme edges.

Now covering longer ultra distances in one continuous run is either unlikely or impossible. But then a lot of reasonably fast marathon runs might make the odd stop here and there too. ****e happens, all too literally in some cases! (like my own marathon PB run). Even the best ultrarunners stop for sleeps, walk to eat/drink, stop for toilet breaks etc once the distances get long enough. Managing all that is very much part of the game. Some of the best ultrarunners in Ireland go into 24 hour races with a planned run-walk strategy.

dublin runner wrote: »

I have no idea how hard running 250k is. I doubt I ever will. I don't set and limitations on myself but I want to first get my 5k/10k/marathon times as far down as possible before even thinking about such a feat.

Don't look at running longer distances as a feat. There's absolutely no reason why you couldn't run (or race) 250k+ events. The main requirement desire/will power. One of the hardest runs I've ever done was the last Ballycotton 10 mile I raced. Difficulty isn't about distance, its about speed over distance. That's where the real feat is.

dublin runner wrote: »

The average Irish adult is incredibly unfit. The average fitness is shocking but that's an argument for another day.

Oh absolutely! Most of us have been there!

Enduro

pistol_75 wrote: »

As a matter of interest what time do you think you could do the WW-B2B in(not a training run)?

I'm reluctant to answer that because of the same reasons that I outlined for not going out and doing it. I'd be very unlikely to give it the same focus and attention that racing the WW got from me.

pistol_75

Enduro wrote: »

I'm reluctant to answer that because of the same reasons that I outlined for not going out and doing it. I'd be very unlikely to give it the same focus and attention that racing the WW got from me.

No problem and there was no hidden agenda in my question. Just an interest as what you would think is attainable.

TheGreenMile

"I think you guys are seriously hugely overestimating the difficulty of covering distances! All it takes is time."





Again, I never mentioned the word 'covering' distances. I used the words run. Im not 'seriously hugely overestimating' the difficulty of covering distances, I do have some ultra experience to generate an opinion on this feat by Don. This debate is not about covering distances,we all agree on distance alone not been an achievement, its about a few people on here believing Don completed something worthy of a 'hat tip' and then your opinion that on this occasion the 37hrs doesnt merit 'the tippeth of ur hat'. Thats fine. But i still think ur wrong

Like u mentioned, Ultras dont always go as planned, and u cant decide to try again a week later, for example Don in Turin had a great run, was it amazing? No, but it could have been worse.So with this in mind, and other factors like the desparate weather, the hills and been on his toblerone, i defintly dont think it wasn't worth a mention. As a nation, I believe we are progressing in the sport. This personal challenge can only be positive step forward. We get no guidance and very few get support from our national association, so were left to help one another.
If anything it gave me the motivation to get off me hole when i debated to go for a run in last Sundays crappy weather.

Enduro

TheGreenMile wrote: »

your opinion that on this occasion the 37hrs doesnt merit 'the tippeth of ur hat'. Thats fine. But i still think ur wrong

Not true... it was a very good run indeed, absolutely. I did say that very few people in Ireland would be able to match it. But I don't think that (1) it was Don's best run this year (2) it was Don's best run over the WW (3) It was significantly difficult in and of itself (4) and obviously enough following on from that that it was performance of the year (5) that the weather was that desperate.

It all started from someone asking about the relative merit of the performance. I'm just giving an honest and objective answer to my best ability. That doesn't mean I don't applaud the effort.

TheGreenMile wrote: »

Like u mentioned, Ultras dont always go as planned, and u cant decide to try again a week later, for example Don in Turin had a great run, was it amazing? No, but it could have been worse.So with this in mind, and other factors like the desparate weather, the hills and been on his toblerone, i defintly dont think it wasn't worth a mention. As a nation, I believe we are progressing in the sport. This personal challenge can only be positive step forward. We get no guidance and very few get support from our national association, so were left to help one another.
If anything it gave me the motivation to get off me hole when i debated to go for a run in last Sundays crappy weather.

Again, it was absolutely worth a mention. If no one else had done it I'd have done it myself. And I'm with you on the motivation front. Nothing worse than starting out in the feckin rain for me.

Yeah, we're progressing on most fronts alright, particularly in terms of participation numbers (which brilliant). Less so at the top end unfortunately (Where have all the 100km runners gone?!). But part of progressing surely is to be able to honestly and objectively analyse the merit of performances (easy enough for flat ultras but more difficult for trail).

Hemerodrome

Enduro wrote: »

If no one else had done it I'd have done it myself.

Why would have done something you described as "pointless" when someone else did it?

RacoonQueen

Hemerodrome wrote: »

Why would have done something you described as "pointless" when someone else did it?

I think he means that if someone else hadn't mentioned it, he would have mentioned it himself.

TFBubendorfer

Enduro wrote:

"I think you guys are seriously hugely overestimating the difficulty of covering distances! All it takes is time."

I think Enduro keeps forgetting that the rest of us are mere mortals . Ok, running 250k over a whole week would not be particularly hard and is indeed something anyone can accomplish but doing it in one go is pretty damn bloody hard. It's not that long ago that I covered a similar distance and it was the hardest thing I've ever done. 2:55 marathons are a piece of cake in comparison.

TheGreenMile wrote: »

Like u mentioned, Ultras dont always go as planned, and u cant decide to try again a week later, for example Don in Turin had a great run,

Actually I think Don would be the first one to point out that his race in Turin was not a great run. He expected to do a lot better!

That leads me straight to my next point, however. Don seemed to have problems in very long races. Belfast last year, Turin and Spartathlon this year, by his own standards he underperformed in all of them. I think that the best thing he got out of the WW double was that it confirmed that he can indeed last that time and distance.

Enduro

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

I think Enduro keeps forgetting that the rest of us are mere mortals .

Hah! I was just talking to someone about you yesterday and mere mortality didn't come into it I think you can take yourself out of the "rest of us" group. There was only one total standout good performance from the broad Irish and Irish based (including traitorous defectors ) group racing in Turin, and he was wearing an Austrian singlet!! Everyone else underperformed in someway.

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Actually I think Don would be the first one to point out that his race in Turin was not a great run. He expected to do a lot better!

For sure! I would hazard a guess the he probably thinks that he could do better on WW-B2B as well. I would guess he ran it to ensure he finished it, as opposed to red-lining it to attempt his fastest possible time (Which I would say would be the correct tactics, as it happens).

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

That leads me straight to my next point, however. Don seemed to have problems in very long races. Belfast last year, Turin and Spartathlon this year, by his own standards he underperformed in all of them. I think that the best thing he got out of the WW double was that it confirmed that he can indeed last that time and distance.

Agreed, by his own standards (i.e. one of the top ultra runners in Ireland). Although his Belfast run was very good this year.

ultrapercy

I dare say, Don, if he is lurking here is embarrassed by the can of worms I inadvertently opened.Whatever about the merits or demerits of his run, he did what he did without fanfare or attention seeking. There is something very admirable about someone who can make to their own decision on what's important to them and not require or ask for back slapping.I'm sure also that he is well able to evaluate and rate his own performances, which are personal. My question originally was out of genuine interest because I'm always intrigued by feats that I believe I would find difficult or impossible. There is an opinion that top class marathon runners would obliterate the ultra record books, if motivation thinly disguised as money, was there but I don't think that's true. I think up to 100k some improvement would be made because they are really just extended marathons that require much the same training and approach. In real Ultras, over trail and/or day of multi day duration, it's almost a different sport and requires a whole different set of tools to get the job done many of which are psycological.This post is not in any way a dig at anyone else, just my own opinions on some limited experience.

Itziger

ultrapercy wrote: »

I dare say, Don, if he is lurking here is embarrassed by the can of worms I inadvertently opened.Whatever about the merits or demerits of his run, he did what he did without fanfare or attention seeking. There is something very admirable about someone who can make to their own decision on what's important to them and not require or ask for back slapping.I'm sure also that he is well able to evaluate and rate his own performances, which are personal. My question originally was out of genuine interest because I'm always intrigued by feats that I believe I would find difficult or impossible. There is an opinion that top class marathon runners would obliterate the ultra record books, if motivation thinly disguised as money, was there but I don't think that's true. I think up to 100k some improvement would be made because they are really just extended marathons that require much the same training and approach. In real Ultras, over trail and/or day of multi day duration, it's almost a different sport and requires a whole different set of tools to get the job done many of which are psycological.This post is not in any way a dig at anyone else, just my own opinions on some limited experience.

Yeah, couldn't agree more with the highlighted bit. Not sure any of us have the right to comment on the guy's performance really. It's not his log and he didn't ask for feedback or anything. I know most of the comments are in good faith but like I say, I'm not sure this is the place for them.

Djoucer

Itziger wrote: »

Yeah, couldn't agree more with the highlighted bit. Not sure any of us have the right to comment on the guy's performance really. It's not his log and he didn't ask for feedback or anything. I know most of the comments are in good faith but like I say, I'm not sure this is the place for them.

It's the ultra thread and someone (one of the top ultra runners) has set a FKT on one of the most popular trail routes in the country.

It's as good as any place to discuss it.

It'd be a crap thread if we ignored FKT/race performances as they didn't have a boards log.

Enduro

ultrapercy wrote: »

There is an opinion that top class marathon runners would obliterate the ultra record books, if motivation thinly disguised as money, was there but I don't think that's true.

I usually find the opinion is formulated as a lazy assumption derived from a complete and utter lack of knowledge. It's quite bizarre. As I outlined a page or two back, it's highly unlikely that the best marathon runners would be the best ultra runners (Due to the general likelihood that if some is the best at distance X they are unlikely to be the best at 250% of X etc. There's quite a few examples of very good marathon runners getting whacked when they step up to 100km+ (My favourite example being when Dan Doherty won the ACP 100K for Ireland, beating 2 or 3 sub 2:20 English marathoners in the process )

ultrapercy wrote: »

I think up to 100k some improvement would be made because they are really just extended marathons that require much the same training and approach. In real Ultras, over trail and/or day of multi day duration, it's almost a different sport and requires a whole different set of tools to get the job done many of which are psycological.This post is not in any way a dig at anyone else, just my own opinions on some limited experience.

I agree with that in general. I call it speed ultras verus endurance ultras. Yannis Kouros also thinks along similar lines as regards to going beyond 100km IIRC. I don't think Yannis regards 100km as real ultra running :eek:

TFBubendorfer

Itziger wrote: »

Yeah, couldn't agree more with the highlighted bit. Not sure any of us have the right to comment on the guy's performance really. It's not his log and he didn't ask for feedback or anything. I know most of the comments are in good faith but like I say, I'm not sure this is the place for them.

There were plenty of pictures, updates and other posts about his run on facebook (one from himself, most from his supporters), so any complaints about this being discussed on a different social media site would quite frankly be ridiculous.

Knowing Don (admittedly, I don't know him THAT well), I'd say he doesn't particularly care if others discuss his run or not and I'm sure he isn't embarrassed about it.

TheGreenMile

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

There were plenty of pictures, updates and other posts about his run on facebook (one from himself, most from his supporters), so any complaints about this being discussed on a different social media site would quite frankly be ridiculous.

Knowing Don (admittedly, I don't know him THAT well), I'd say he doesn't particularly care if others discuss his run or not and I'm sure he isn't embarrassed about it.

I agree completely. Ultra runners are not a sensitve bunch.
Thats what 10k's are for
The use of the real time tracker with a link on FB was a way of allowing any intereted to follow his adventure.

TheGreenMile

There was only one total standout good performance from the broad Irish and Irish based (including traitorous defectors ) group racing in Turin, and he was wearing an Austrian singlet!! Everyone else underperformed in someway.

Ahem !! Ruthann ??

Djoucer

New research to back up low carb diet and fat burning.

"Elite endurance athletes who eat very few carbohydrates burned more than twice as much fat as high-carb athletes during maximum exertion and prolonged exercise in a new study - the highest fat-burning rates under these conditions ever seen by researchers."

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-11/osu-eaw111615.php

ger664

Most interesting thing in that article is that glycogen stores did not reduce on a restricted carb diet. That been the case then surely carb loading or increasing carb intake isnt going to increases your glycogen storage either.

Myles Splitz

Djoucer wrote: »

New research to back up low carb diet and fat burning. while running at sub maximal efforts in Ultra marathoners

Few Caveats

- All participants were Ultra Marathon runners, there was no comparison between Ultra Marathoner's and Marathon runners

- Participants running at sub maximal levels for 3 hours (64% Vo2 max) well below relative race efforts for that duration (significantly lower RER)

A fair bit of bias overall in the study to be honest with very little bearing on performance.

Full manuscript here

Enduro

Myles Splitz wrote: »

Few Caveats

- All participants were Ultra Marathon runners, there was no comparison between Ultra Marathoner's and Marathon runners

- Participants running at sub maximal levels for 3 hours (64% Vo2 max) well below relative race efforts for that duration (significantly lower RER)

A fair bit of bias overall in the study to be honest with very little bearing on performance.

Full manuscript here

You know this is the ultra thread here! Marathon performance wasn't the subject of the experiment. I don't know why you're raising the subject of marathon runners in relation to this paper.

Athletics doesn't end at the marathon. There is a lot to be learned by looking at the extremes, as this paper shows (thanks for the link to the original by the way... I've been looking for it a few days and hadn't found it).

- It's not about comparing marathon runners to ultra marathon runners. It's much more interesting than that.

- It sounds like participants were running at levels of intensity which would be quite compatable to the levels of intensity that they are training to compete (at elite level) in. Well below what relative race efforts? This has nothing to do with marathon runners remember.

There is no bias there whatsoever. I don't think the word marathon was mentioned once in the paper.

I've been hearing about this experiment for ages. It's been flagged for some time by some of the more interesting sports scientists (and ultra runners taking part in the experiments). It's great to see some good science being done on the subject using actual elite athletes that have been going HFLC for months and years, rather than a short timeframe, and being tested over relatively longer durations.

It's a pity its so hard to measure longer durations... it'd be really interesting to get some hard data beyond 12 hours.

davedanon

I hadn't noticed that it was confined to ultra-runners. Thanks for pointing that out, Myles.

That on its own doesn't give me pause. The research and conclusions could still be valid.

What does give me pause, however, is the fact that the study was funded by the Atkins people, proponents, miracle of miracles, of a high-fat, low-carb, best-selling diet.

I mean, what are the chances?

Myles Splitz

Enduro wrote: »

You know this is the ultra thread here! Marathon performance wasn't the subject of the experiment. I don't know why you're raising the subject of marathon runners in relation to this paper.

Athletics doesn't end at the marathon. There is a lot to be learned by looking at the extremes, as this paper shows (thanks for the link to the original by the way... I've been looking for it a few days and hadn't found it).

- It's not about comparing marathon runners to ultra marathon runners. It's much more interesting than that.

- It sounds like participants were running at levels of intensity which would be quite compatable to the levels of intensity that they are training to compete (at elite level) in. Well below what relative race efforts? This has nothing to do with marathon runners remember.

There is no bias there whatsoever. I don't think the word marathon was mentioned once in the paper.

I've been hearing about this experiment for ages. It's been flagged for some time by some of the more interesting sports scientists (and ultra runners taking part in the experiments). It's great to see some good science being done on the subject using actual elite athletes that have been going HFLC for months and years, rather than a short timeframe, and being tested over relatively longer durations.

It's a pity its so hard to measure longer durations... it'd be really interesting to get some hard data beyond 12 hours.

Well aware of the fact it is an ultra marathon thread however given that 3 hours was the duration tested the duration is too short to draw conclusions from in terms of ultra marathon running as 3 hours duration would fall short off all bar elite 50k runners with relation to "maximal exertion" and even then effort levels would be higher than 64% of Vo2max. This would have a huge bearing on the glycogen utilization.

Similarly one of the references (Phinney 1983) also uses this effort level in his study of elite cyclists performances despite it being too far short of race efforts.

Enduro

Myles Splitz wrote: »

Well aware of the fact it is an ultra marathon thread however given that 3 hours was the duration tested the duration is too short to draw conclusions from in terms of ultra marathon running as 3 hours duration would fall short off all bar elite 50k runners with relation to "maximal exertion" and even then effort levels would be higher than 64% of Vo2max. This would have a huge bearing on the glycogen utilization.

Similarly one of the references (Phinney 1983) also uses this effort level in his study of elite cyclists performances despite it being too far short of race efforts.

Yeah, as I say it's a pity it's so difficult to measure long ultra efforts in the lab (never mind in real life). But 64% Vo2max doesn't sound outragous for maximal effort in a long ultra. Beyond 16 hours / 200km or so is really quite unlike the marathon in terms of realistic maximal exertion. (And most of these guys would probably be well able for reasonably fast marathons (2:31 for Zach Bitter anyway)).

Myles Splitz

Enduro wrote: »

Yeah, as I say it's a pity it's so difficult to measure long ultra efforts in the lab (never mind in real life). But 64% Vo2max doesn't sound outragous for maximal effort in a long ultra. Beyond 16 hours / 200km or so is really quite unlike the marathon in terms of realistic maximal exertion. (And most of these guys would probably be well able for reasonably fast marathons (2:31 for Zach Bitter anyway)).

Need to rope in a few of the treadmill record chasers

While it doesn't sound outlandish in terms of race effort it does make a huge difference at that duration as the rate of exertion would dramatically change from a race effort to a handy long run (to draw a comparison would be like trying to determine fueling efficiency of a Kenya by having them run a 5 mile @ MP)

For what it's worth I do think there is a place for fat adaptation in Ultra distance running (and even for 4+ marathon runners to an extent) however I must confess I am not a fan of Volek's work on the subject and don't feel that alot of his research actually lends itself to supporting the advocates.

pistol_75

Catriona Jennings to run for Ireland in the World 50K in Doha. Gary O'Hanlon & Barry Minnock to run in the men's race.

Took it from some other threads on here that Jennings wasn't doing anything since London 2012.

RacoonQueen

pistol_75 wrote: »

Catriona Jennings to run for Ireland in the World 50K in Doha. Gary O'Hanlon & Barry Minnock to run in the men's race.

Took it from some other threads on here that Jennings wasn't doing anything since London 2012.

From my googling about this, she reverted to rowing thinking it would be easy to qualify for Rio in, then found out it wasn't..

pistol_75

RacoonQueen wrote: »

From my googling about this, she reverted to rowing thinking it would be easy to qualify for Rio in, then found out it wasn't..

That's what I thought alright. Wonder on what basis or results she was selected?

RacoonQueen

It would be strange if we hadn't heard she'd run a marathon recently, unless she's done something very low key or has done a 50K somewhere. She might have entered the open race though?

How come it's in Doha again?

pistol_75

RacoonQueen wrote:

It would be strange if we hadn't heard she'd run a marathon recently, unless she's done something very low key or has done a 50K somewhere. She might have entered the open race though?

On the Athletics Ireland press release so they're entering the team. Google doesn't show anything results wise in last couple of years. Hopefully she runs well anyway.

RacoonQueen wrote:

How come it's in Doha again?

Money, money, money. Was talking to Gary last week and he said there is nothing to do there and the conditions are awful to run in.

TRR_the_turd

Enduro wrote: »

You know this is the ultra thread here! Marathon performance wasn't the subject of the experiment. I don't know why you're raising the subject of marathon runners in relation to this paper.

On that point, this is the athletics and running thread should adventure races and events like the out and back, back again and out again Wicklow way not be posted to the TDAR thread?

Djoucer

TRR_the_turd wrote: »

On that point, this is the athletics and running thread should adventure races and events like the out and back, back again and out again Wicklow way not be posted to the TDAR thread?

Because it is running. And clearly marked the ultra thread.

Seriously, ridiculous contribution to an otherwise interesting thread.

There's a wealth of research and you pick up on some petty nonsense that has nothing to do with running or the ultra thread or even the tdar thread.

TRR_the_turd

Djoucer wrote: »

Because it is running. And clearly marked the ultra thread.

Seriously, ridiculous contribution to an otherwise interesting thread.

I'm just pointing out that there is an adventure race forum specifically for a lot of the events mentioned in this thread! If I was argumentative, I could suggest that this thread is a ridiculous contribution to an otherwise interesting forum!

I think we need a poll!

Djoucer

TRR_the_turd wrote: »

I'm just pointing out that there is an adventure race forum specifically for a lot of the events mentioned in this thread! If I was argumentative, I could suggest that this thread is a ridiculous contribution to an otherwise interesting forum!

I think we need a poll!

You're not pointing out anything. It's all running and features Irish international runners.

It's an interesting thread and easy to ignore due to the name "ultra thread."

You're an interesting poster with no interest in this thread.

lgk

TRR_the_turd wrote: »

I'm just pointing out that there is an adventure race forum specifically for a lot of the events mentioned in this thread! If I was argumentative, I could suggest that this thread is a ridiculous contribution to an otherwise interesting forum!

I think we need a poll!

What section of the WW did don kayak? Cycle?

TRR_the_turd

lgk wrote: »

What section of the WW did don kayak? Cycle?

Wasn't aware that an adventure race had to have these 3 components if I'm honest. From what I read, I see he had to hurdle a fence though!

ThisRegard

And what exact adventure race do you have issues with on this thread?

TRR_the_turd

ThisRegard wrote: »

And what exact adventure race do you have issues with on this thread?

Don't have an issue with any of these non standard events (probably wouldn't call some of them races as that would imply a field of competitors). I was just being a pedant and wondering should they be discussed in a forum specifically designated for adventure races. Seems these non standard events aren't adventure races as they don't have biking/kayaking/rock climbing/bungee jumping etc etc

lgk

TRR_the_turd wrote: »

Wasn't aware that an adventure race had to have these 3 components if I'm honest. From what I read, I see he had to hurdle a fence though!

Ah, so it was the hurdling threw you. Sure enough you wouldn't see anyone hurdling at a track event...:D

See here for the generally accepted international understanding of what adventure racing involves, and head over to TDAR where the current and very epic World Championships are being tracked.

Djoucer

Mourne Skyline race was was on channel 4 this morning. Should be 4od now.

Cabaal

TRR_the_turd wrote: »

Wasn't aware that an adventure race had to have these 3 components if I'm honest. From what I read, I see he had to hurdle a fence though!

We had to run through water (flooding ) doing the clonakilty marathon one year, it was half a foot deep and was 200metres long. Was it an adventure race?

menoscemo

Live updates from world 50k in Doha here: http://my6.raceresult.com/46817/?lang=en#1_EBD534
After 5k Gary O'H is in 15th and Bazman 22nd but it's all pretty bunched
Catriona Jennings in 5th in the Women's

menoscemo

5 laps in and the lead men have upped to pace to pull away from Gary and the others.Gary still in 8th place but over a minute behind.

In the women's race Catriona is in 5th overall but is in a pack of 5 chasing the bronze. The two leaders are over 4 minutes ahead.

ThisRegard

The 50k Wicklow Way race is this weekend isn't it?

Enduro

ThisRegard wrote: »

The 50k Wicklow Way race is this weekend isn't it?

No standard distances this weekend outside of Doha. It's one of Don's 50 mile events on the Wicklow Way.

DogSlySmile

Enduro wrote: »

No standard distances this weekend outside of Doha. It's one of Don's 50 mile events on the Wicklow Way.

Yep, its the 50 mile swim on the wicklow way. It was a running event but with the forecast for tomorrow they had to change it up.

davedanon

DogSlySmile wrote: »

Yep, its the 50 mile swim on the wicklow way. It was a running event but with the forecast for tomorrow they had to change it up.

Does that mean it has to go in the 'adventure race' forum, as per TRR's dictum?