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Is Franciscan Well really Irish

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  • 29-05-2014 10:11pm
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    HolyBarley
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    Heard today that all the Franciscan Well stuff is being brewed and bottled in England in the Sharps brewery.

    Was a bit pissed off as I was in House and it clearly called out that it is brewed in Cork.


    Anyone know if it's true ?


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    BeerNut
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    Rebel Red, Friar Weiss, Shandon Stout and possibly the new Chieftan IPA too are brewed in both Sharp's and Franciscan Well in Cork.

    Never believe what menus say about where beer comes from :)

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    Son0vagun
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    Who cares, it tastes nice!


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    HolyBarley
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    BeerNut wrote: »
    Rebel Red, Friar Weiss, Shandon Stout and possibly the new Chieftan IPA too are brewed in both Sharp's and Franciscan Well in Cork.

    Never believe what menus say about where beer comes from :)

    It's a Shane they can't be upfront about it !

    I've been to their brewery in Cork. Surely very little could be brewed there and they seem to have taps everywhere and bottles in all the offies


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    BeerNut
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    Son0vagun wrote: »
    Who cares, it tastes nice!
    Horse burgers for all!
    HolyBarley wrote: »
    It's a Shane they can't be upfront about it !
    They are if you ask them. They just do the bare minimum to keep their labels legal. Basically, if a label on any "Irish" beer says "Brewed in the EU", the brewer is ashamed of how the beer was made.

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    Insect Overlord
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    BeerNut wrote: »
    Horse burgers for all!

    That's not a fair comparison at all...


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    BeerNut
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    An File wrote: »
    That's not a fair comparison at all...
    Either provenance and traceability are a basic right for the consumer, or not, no?

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    Bogsnorkler
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    Nobody has mentioned that this is out of necessity rather than cutting corners. They got into bed with Molson Coors and until the new brewery is build they had to find additional capacity to serve the markets they were entering on the back of it.

    I love the success the brewery has seen over the last 15 years, I still love their beers and want them to succeed within the Coors brand. But if it were me, I'd be very unhappy with having to sell my beer into brand new markets without being guarnteed that 1. the quality is there and 2. my brand doesn't suffer due to it.

    Based on all that's written here over the last 18 months, the brand has suffered big time at a time with a lot of new entrants are making gains in the craft market. With the trendish and brand sensitive customers who drink craft beer, this whole thing could kill FW everywhere outside of Cork.


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    Tube
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    I think FW is in a state of flux ATM, and will eventually settle down again in Cork.
    BeerNut wrote: »
    Either provenance and traceability are a basic right for the consumer, or not, no?

    Are they ready for a lot of "Irish" stuff being made of 100% imported ingredients?


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    oblivious
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    Tube wrote: »
    Are they ready for a lot of "Irish" stuff being made of 100% imported ingredients?


    90 odd percent of the beer will be made from local water, even if imported hops and specialist malts are been used, It still the largest component :)


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    RasTa
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    For me it's where the beer is made, Irish economy etc hence I'll usually only buy Irish beer.

    Cheaper then the American stuff too.


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    BaZmO*
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    RasTa wrote: »
    For me it's where the beer is made, Irish economy etc hence I'll usually only buy Irish beer.
    So Heineken, Budweiser and the like?


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    RasTa
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    BaZmO* wrote: »
    So Heineken, Budweiser and the like?

    What? They made in Ireland?


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    BeerNut
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    RasTa wrote: »
    What? They made in Ireland?
    All the Budweiser is made at St James's Gate, likewise Carlsberg. Draught Heineken is brewed in Cork though the bottles and cans are brewed in the Netherlands to the Irish strength.

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    RasTa
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    Well that's good to hear, shame it tastes like piss.


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    the beer revolu
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    One thing I'd like to say is that post takeover, the Easterfest was bigger and better than ever supporting Irish craft breweries.
    It was most certainly not just looking after their own brand!


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    Technocentral
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    Galway Bay's stuff is brewed in Alaska.


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    Seaneh
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    Technocentral wrote: »
    Galway Bay's stuff is brewed in Alaska.

    I heard Hawaii, and the bottles are coming from Singapore.


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    Tube
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    the beer revolu wrote: »
    One thing I'd like to say is that post takeover, the Easterfest was bigger and better than ever supporting Irish craft breweries.
    It was most certainly not just looking after their own brand!

    MC bought the brewing business, not the pub.


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    HolyBarley
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    Coors Light kegs made in cork, bottles and cans made in Burton on Trent. Fosters made in Cork on kegs and cans in UK. Molson Canadian made in Burton on Trent. Innis and Gun made in Tennants Well Park, miller made in Grolsch brewery holland and Peroni brewery Italy.

    Nothing us what it seems!!


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    oblivious
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    HolyBarley wrote: »
    Coors Light kegs made in cork, bottles and cans made in Burton on Trent. Fosters made in Cork on kegs and cans in UK. Molson Canadian made in Burton on Trent. Innis and Gun made in Tennants Well Park, miller made in Grolsch brewery holland and Peroni brewery Italy.

    Nothing us what it seems!!

    And the pride of Manchester is brewed in Wales :)

    But Dungavan brewery beer is brewed in Dungarvan so there is hope :)


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    Seaneh
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    And Galway Hooker is FINALLY being brewed in Galway now.


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    Jaggy
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    Bottling sometimes comes into it as well. I've heard of some micro breweries here that make all the beer/ale/cider etc here and then ship it over to the UK for bottling. Some, if not all bottling companies here have a quota as to how many litres you bottle in a month. For smaller start ups that aren't selling in these quantities it doesn't make sense to sit on tonnes of stock just to have it bottled here.


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    the beer revolu
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    Tube wrote: »
    MC bought the brewing business, not the pub.

    Either way, there was a big investment put into the infrastructure of the festival. I suspect this wouldn't have happened pre takeover.


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    Seaneh
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    the beer revolu wrote: »
    Either way, there was a big investment put into the infrastructure of the festival. I suspect this wouldn't have happened pre takeover.

    I'd say it was Shane had a few million yoyos burning a hole in his pocket and decided to go all out to be honest.


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    BeerNut
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    the beer revolu wrote: »
    there was a big investment put into the infrastructure of the festival. I suspect this wouldn't have happened pre takeover.
    The Carling-branded tech van parked outside and the hastily anonymised Carling taps were the clue, eh? I'd say the shock troops were summoned from Maynooth. Worked really well too, I thought.

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    Herb Powell
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    Big fan of the Well tbh, though that could have something to do with being able to drink in the brewpub in Cork for years.

    They make, imo, great beers, and my opinion of them has not suffered during the takeover. I think it's mostly trend-hopping shhite tbh that has earned them such opposition. They've "gone mainstream, man". They're still making good stuff, just go for a pint in Cork and see for yourself.

    VIVE LA WELL


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    Ravelleman
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    Herb Powell wrote: »
    They make, imo, great beers, and my opinion of them has not suffered during the takeover. I think it's mostly trend-hopping shhite tbh that has earned them such opposition. They've "gone mainstream, man". They're still making good stuff, just go for a pint in Cork and see for yourself.

    Dunno, Shandon Stout, for example, definitely changed. I don't think I'm the only one to say that either.


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    ted1
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    Jaggy wrote: »
    Bottling sometimes comes into it as well. I've heard of some micro breweries here that make all the beer/ale/cider etc here and then ship it over to the UK for bottling. Some, if not all bottling companies here have a quota as to how many litres you bottle in a month. For smaller start ups that aren't selling in these quantities it doesn't make sense to sit on tonnes of stock just to have it bottled here.

    Bulmers bottle O haras


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    BeerNut
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    ted1 wrote: »
    Bulmers bottle O haras
    Only the 33s, AFAIK, which are rarely sold here. Last I heard the half litre bottles are filled in the UK.

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    Lucena
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    Most foreign beers are brewed as locally as possible to where they are sold, as it doesn't make a lot of sense to make a product that is 95% water half way round the world from where it's being drank when it can be made on site i.e. there's no point shipping water around the world.

    Hence Foster's not coming from Australia, Budweiser not coming from America etc. It only works for craft beers where people are willing to pay a premium for something that is perceived (rightly or not) as unique.


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