Man faces 120 years in Natasha McShane baseball beating

Rented Mule

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-man-faces-120-years-in-bucktown-baseball-beating-20140522,0,2015848.story

Man faces 120 years in Bucktown baseball beating

Four years after a reputed gang member used a baseball bat to beat their daughter so badly she can no longer speak or walk unassisted, the family of Natasha McShane has traveled from their home in Northern Ireland to watch her attacker be sentenced today.

Heriberto Viramontes faces up to 120 years in prison for the brutal beatings and robbery of McShane, an exchange student, and her close friend Stacy Jurich under a Bucktown viaduct as they walked home from a bar in 2010.

Very much looking forward to the sentencing today. The prosecuting attorney Peg Ogarek has done an outstanding job in this case. Here's hoping this POS never sees the light of day again.

Hotale.com

You shouldn't be looking forward to it.

He deserves everything he'll get but that was a brutal attack which ruined the lives of the victim and her family. It's not meant to be entertaining or satisfying.

Mr. Incognito

Hope it brings the families a sense of justice.

Won't turn back the clock though.

The older I get the more in favour of capital punishment I become.

More humane and cheaper to put some of these people down.

Hotale.com

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Hope it brings the families a sense of justice.

Won't turn back the clock though.

The older I get the more in favour of capital punishment I become.

More humane and cheaper to put some of these people down.

It's not cheaper, the legal fees go up a ridiculous amount when you bring in capital punishment and appeals are far more likely to happen and are more frequent.

What happens if an innocent person gets convicted and killed? That's my main issue with capital punishment.

Mr. Incognito

Hotale.com wrote: »

It's not cheaper, the legal fees go up a ridiculous amount when you bring in capital punishment and appeals are far more likely to happen and are more frequent.

What happens if an innocent person gets convicted and killed? That's my main issue with capital punishment.

No system is perfect, and I'm not sure if it's a deterrent but there is no doubt people are becoming more callous and violent. Ten years ago I would have agreed with you. One innocent death is too many, but some people are broken and have no hope of rehabilitation. We are too lenient as a society.

Hotale.com

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

No system is perfect, and I'm not sure if it's a deterrent but there is no doubt people are becoming more callous and violent. Ten years ago I would have agreed with you. One innocent death is too many, but some people are broken and have no hope of rehabilitation. We are too lenient as a society.

I can see your point but I just don't think I'll ever agree with it, so there's no real point arguing.

Mr. Incognito

Hotale.com wrote: »

I can see your point but I just don't think I'll ever agree with it, so there's no real point arguing.

Fair enough. There is no right or wrong anyway. I don't think systematic state killing is ever a good idea but we need to invest in prisons and rehabilitation or else deal with the overcrowding and inhumane treatment. Prisons are just crime universities right now

bear1

The term "an eye for an eye" seems just in this case.
Bash him over the head with a bat until he is in the same state.
I wonder if found guilty here how long could he get.

Hotale.com

I'm going to unfollow this because some attitudes (^^^^^^^^) here are quite disturbing.

Cee-Jay-Cee

A clear case for an eye for eye justice. He deserves to be beaten with a baseball bat till he can no longer speak or walk and if he happened to die from the beating then so be it.

Rented Mule

Hotale.com wrote: »

You shouldn't be looking forward to it.

He deserves everything he'll get but that was a brutal attack which ruined the lives of the victim and her family. It's not meant to be entertaining or satisfying.

Get off of your high horse. One more piece of filth is being removed from society. I am overjoyed. The prosecuting attorney, Peg Ogarek is the sister of a good friend of mine. I will probably send her flowers after the sentencing.

This is not a capital offense. The State of Illinois does not have the death penalty. Not that there is any doubt of his guilt. His girlfriend rolled over on him after they were arrested and plea bargained as fast as she could.

Just for the record, there was more than one 'victim' in this case. The other victim in this case, Stacy Jurich is the cousin of another good friend of mine from work.

I have walked through that viaduct where the attack took place with my wife on multiple occasions. The thought of what happened to these women at the hands of this coward makes my blood boil.

The world will be a slightly brighter place when the judge sentences him later today.

bear1

Rented Mule wrote: »

Get off of your high horse. One more piece of filth is being removed from society. I am overjoyed. The prosecuting attorney, Peg Ogarek is the sister of a good friend of mine. I will probably send her flowers after the sentencing.

This is not a capital offense. The State of Illinois does not have the death penalty. Not that there is any doubt of his guilt. His girlfriend rolled over on him after they were arrested and plea bargained as fast as she could.

Just for the record, there was more than one 'victim' in this case. The other victim in this case, Stacy Jurich is the cousin of another good friend of mine from work.

I have walked through that viaduct where the attack took place with my wife on multiple occasions. The thought of what happened to these women at the hands of this coward makes my blood boil.

The world will be a slightly brighter place when the judge sentences him later today.

Sorry to hear that, it sounds like you've been affected by this story as well.
And I agree completely with what you have said.
If the prosecuter does well, give her a thanks from me

JC01

Thank god there's a little justice in the fact that this animal will spend the rest of his life in a proper prison.

Over here he would serve 10 years MAX in a holiday camp and god knows with remission, suspended sentence etc hed most likely only serve ~3.

My heart goes out to the poor woman who's life was forever damaged by that excuse for a human being.

America gets a lot wrong and I'm far from a fan of the old US of A but sentencing criminals is one thing they get right. I can only hope he gets 'prison loved' to death.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller

Rented Mule wrote: »

The other victim in this case, Stacy Jurich is the cousin of another good friend of mine from work.

Just watched the following, rather harrowing, interview with her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UKwPkXqXtw

Reformed Character

The guy should never be released.

Funkfield

Hotale.com wrote: »

I'm going to unfollow this because some attitudes (^^^^^^^^) here are quite disturbing.

:rolleyes:

Precious flower

God that attack on those girls was horrific! Jesus, how can anyone do that to another person!? He just saw them and decided he'd beat them to a pulp and rob them. What a sick man, he truly deserves his sentence.:mad:

Mongfinder General

Precious flower wrote: »

God that attack on those girls was horrific! Jesus, how can anyone do that to another person!? He just saw them and decided he'd beat them to a pulp and rob them. What a sick man, he truly deserves his sentence.:mad:

Nothing but a vicious animal. Hope he gets a long beating and slow death in prison. His accomplice deserves the same treatment.

EyeSight

He'd probably get 5 with 3 years suspended here

woodoo

EyeSight wrote: »

He'd probably get 5 with 3 years suspended here

Yeah and reduced on appeal.

crockholm

IIRC at the time of the trial (according to the Chi Trib) the judge didn't allow a video diary of ms. McShanes Daily Life being shown because it would have been prejudicial.That was weird.Think the girlfriend rolled on him in Exchange for a 20 year stretch.

All for a few dollars and the rush of robbing some "White ho's"

Wishing the McShane and Jurich families all the best.

Shakespeare's Sister

Good to see justice done. Dreadful case.
It's sad he had a hard life, and that probably contributed to how he turned out, but it's zero excuse, particularly when most people who had a life like his don't resort to such measures.

No Pants

Misleading thread title OP; he didn't beat her with a baseball.

crockholm

He only got a measly 90 years,he'll be a spritely 120 something years when he gets out

wicklowstevo

makes some difference from irish justice doesnt it ?
ruin some ones life they takes yours from you in america
in ireland ruin someones life you get at most a couple of years to learn new criminal skills

Call Me Jimmy

Hotale.com wrote: »

I can see your point but I just don't think I'll ever agree with it, so there's no real point arguing.

Woah woah woah wait...


theres... no. point... arguing.

THERE'S NO POINT ARGUING

:eek:


I'm free!!!!!!! Tomorrow I wander the meadows, smell the flowers, hear the birds again!

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Stheno

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Just watched the following, rather harrowing, interview with her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UKwPkXqXtw

That was hard to watch.

I hope she feels she got justice today

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller

Stheno wrote: »

I hope she feels she got justice today

Here's a very brief statement from Stacy and also Natasha's mother:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_dmAkaXI9g

Kermit.de.frog

And here is Irish justice at work

Mum at centre of the 'worst case of child neglect' walks free from court

:rolleyes:

bear1

I read that story about the mother, another story which just shows our fantastic justice system at work

Kermit.de.frog

The judges are completely out of touch with reality. That and we need Thornton Hall to be built.

mickydoomsux

This is another one that shows our court system isn't fit for purpose

Given bail after pushing someone under a bus and he continued to commit offenses after that.

It isn't normal for someone to be walking the streets with 60+ convictions. They basically become a ticking timebomb, counting down until they kill someone.

We simply need to build more prisons and just lock people away from society. I'd vote for pretty much any political part who advocated that.

the_monkey

Hotale.com wrote: »

It's not cheaper, the legal fees go up a ridiculous amount when you bring in capital punishment and appeals are far more likely to happen and are more frequent.

What happens if an innocent person gets convicted and killed? That's my main issue with capital punishment.

Not if they're just taking to a field somewhere and shot, and then the dfamily sent the bill.

The do gooders wouldn't put up with that tho...

sadie06

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

And here is Irish justice at work

Mum at centre of the 'worst case of child neglect' walks free from court

:rolleyes:

Oh my God….that makes me feel so angry. What a f*cking joke of a system! Supervised access? Why in God's name would it be in any of those children's interest to see that woman. Seeing her would surely impede their recovery.

I despair…..

bear1

Maybe we should split the thread? As in this one is exclusively about the Chicago trial and we'd get better responses if there was a separate thread

Sunglasses Ron

sadie06 wrote: »

Oh my God….that makes me feel so angry. What a f*cking joke of a system! Supervised access? Why in God's name would it be in any of those children's interest to see that woman. Seeing her would surely impede their recovery.

I despair…..

I'm most baffled as to how there was a school aged child in the house and it wasn't noticed for so long by the teachers. Not to mention that unless they were living like complete hermits surely some neighbours would have noticed (unless they were completely out in the sticks, but seeing as it happened in Kildare and was tried in Dublin you would assume it was somewhere on the built up outskirts)

Rented Mule

http://www.suntimes.com/27605734-761/attacker-who-beat-irish-exchange-student-gets-90-years.html#.U38_4CiWiD4

Attacker who beat Irish exchange student gets 90 years

It's a shame that he didn't get the 120 years. He will be forced to serve at least 85% of the sentence. Here is hoping that he never steps foot out into society again.

bb1234567

Did this happen in ireland or america??

bear1

bb1234567 wrote: »

Did this happen in ireland or america??

Do you think they'd give anyone here a 90 year sentence? It was in America, Chicago.

Hitchens

concurrent sentences are a ghastly joke.................:mad:

.jacksparrow.

I know the justice system is a joke in this country but can anyone tell me why?

Like surely the judges have a reason for been so lenient which doesn't include been sympathetic to the criminals.

Jail space maybe?

mickydoomsux

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

I know the justice system is a joke in this country but can anyone tell me why?

Like surely the judges have a reason for been so lenient which doesn't include been sympathetic to the criminals.

Jail space maybe?

I feel it's the fact that we strive so hard to appear to be a modern, forward thinking country in an entirely inconsistent fashion which gives us a weird mismatch of different aspects of society being handled in wildly varying fashion.

We treat a lot of the perpetrators of fairly henious crimes as being poor unfortunates who just need yet another chance so our sentencing is pathetic to start with and when they do see the inside of a prison we let them out long before they serve anything like their full term.

.jacksparrow.

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I feel it's the fact that we strive so hard to appear to be a modern, forward thinking country in an entirely inconsistent fashion which gives us a weird mismatch of different aspects of society being handled in wildly varying fashion.

We treat a lot of the perpetrators of fairly henious crimes as being poor unfortunates who just need yet another chance so our sentencing is pathetic to start with and when they do see the inside of a prison we let them out long before they serve anything like their full term.

Interesting, makes some sense alright.

Fair play to the judge in America, like the judge in the Jill Meagher case, no messing around.

If only we had it here.

Duckworth_Luas

The assailant who paralysed Italian student Guido Nasi with a glass bottle attack in 1999 recieved an 8-and-a-half year sentence in 2003.

Galwayguy35

Why can't sentences like that be given out here, 23 hour lockdown for the rest of their lives for murderers and rapists would make some of them think twice about it.

But of course the lefty liberals in Labour would never allow that.

Sand

Id say if you asked convicted criminals to review the case and decide on the sentencing, they'd come up with more just decisions than Irish judges. The high functioning autism they display when it comes to sentencing is worthy of scientific study. It was only last year that it took a public campaign by the victim, and resulting outrage, to motivate the judge to hand down any sort of prison sentence to a man who raped his own daughter for decades.

.jacksparrow.

Sand wrote: »

Id say if you asked convicted criminals to review the case and decide on the sentencing, they'd come up with more just decisions than Irish judges. The high functioning autism they display when it comes to sentencing is worthy of scientific study. It was only last year that it took a public campaign by the victim, and resulting outrage, to motivate the judge to hand down any sort of prison sentence to a man who raped his own daughter for decades.

Exactly, you take someone's life you serve life, not be roaming the streets 8 and a half years later.

Where's my batsuit...

Sand

That 8 and half years is an insult - and large part of that particular crime IIRC was down to the permissive attitude to pervasive low level criminality that permits highly dangerous and aggressive individuals to rack up dozens, if not hundreds of convictions until they finally "go too far". The guy who carried out that attack is almost certainly back out on the streets today, a danger to any who cross his path.

I think the three strikes laws in the US are unreasonable, but there does need to be a situation where a trend of criminality is taken into account when sentencing on the latest crime so that one off minor crime get a "standard" punishment, but if its a minor crime that is the 58th minor crime then a hefy penalty is added on top.

And concurrent sentencing needs to go. As it is, it seems to incentivise carrying out a host of minor crimes and attacks if it helps you avoid being convicted of the major crime.

mickydoomsux

Our court system seems to see multiple repeat offences as a failing of the system rather than a failing of the individual committing the offences.

EyeSight

I would gladly vote for FF, the greens hell even the British! As long as they tackled our justice system and crime problem. That's how bad i think it is

Why are absolutely zero politicians not jumping on this? In most countries crime is a key issue during elections

DrumSteve

EyeSight wrote: »

I would gladly vote for FF, the greens hell even the British! As long as they tackled our justice system and crime problem. That's how bad i think it is

Why are absolutely zero politicians not jumping on this? In most countries crime is a key issue during elections

FF?

You'd vote for criminals to take care of criminals?