is actimel junk food?

tomdempsey200

I'm looking for some healthy yoghurt for the stomach

is actimel healthy or just full of sugar?

thanks

Amalgam

Just full of sugar.

Why not just drink buttermilk? ..cheap as chips and just as 'active'.

ALDI do nice buttermilk, as do Supervalu.. theirs is thick as a milkshake.

tomdempsey200

Amalgam wrote: »

Just full of sugar.

Why not just drink buttermilk? ..cheap as chips and just as 'active'.

ALDI do nice buttermilk, as do Supervalu.. theirs is thick as a milkshake.

thanks
when you say active
what does that mean?
what should I be looking for in a live product

Amalgam

That there's a 'culture', as far as I'm aware.

tomdempsey200

Amalgam wrote: »

That there's a 'culture', as far as I'm aware.

whats the best dairy product for a healthy tummy

or if not a dairy product,what else?

mickman

tomdempsey200 wrote: »

whats the best dairy product for a healthy tummy

or if not a dairy product,what else?

keifir

taato

I suppose what you're looking for is a decent probiotic - actimel supposedly has one l-casei imunitas (or some such). If you google it you'll find many different probiotic brands containing different probiotic strains - some have up to 8,14 or more strains.

Semele

http://www.symprove.com

This stuff is the best probiotic I've ever tried (years of IBS type symptoms so I've tried lots!). It has also had good results in reputable, albeit small-ish, studies which I'm not aware of other probiotic products having. I've had notable results from a month of use and will definitely keep buying it.

tomdempsey200

Semele wrote: »

http://www.symprove.com

This stuff is the best probiotic I've ever tried (years of IBS type symptoms so I've tried lots!). It has also had good results in reputable, albeit small-ish, studies which I'm not aware of other probiotic products having. I've had notable results from a month of use and will definitely keep buying it.

where can you buy it?

Semele

tomdempsey200 wrote: »

where can you buy it?

I think it's online only still, although I may be wrong. I started with a pack of 4 bottles and am just about to order more. The customer service is great too- I had issues with delivery due to living in an apartment block with no access but the team were really helpful. It is on the expensive side but if you sign up/order they send emails with promotional offers all the time. Definitely worth a try. I actually tried it about 2 years ago but only ordered one bottle, so didn't give it a proper shot. It took a few weeks this time for me to notice effects but they have been consistent since.

quinevere

You can buy it in mccabes they have it

tomdempsey200

http://www.bodykind.ie/search/Symprove/product/4824-Symprove-Live-and-Activated-Bacteria-Original-4-x-500ml.aspx?gclid=CP-j7IDLwL4CFcme2woddEEATg

lol.. stop the lights

ill stick with the kefir and buttermilk

I want something to drink everyday for life

marizpan

For good gut health, a diet using a variety of culture is more beneficial than using one culture of high potency. Many of these you can make/brew at home, costing very little.

Examples:

Water kefir
Milk milk
Buttermilk
Kombucha
Raw dairy products
Cultured meat (air-dried & cured)
Fermented veg (sauerkraut)
Yogurt

Amalgam

marizpan has it nailed, no amount of ovepriced, sugar laced, 'magic fairy immunitas™' is going to save you from dodgy food intake.

One of my pet peeves is the, 'science fiction' that has sprung up around the thimble sized portions of, generously priced, yogurts, advertised with computer graphics showing some airy fairy effect on someone's stomach.. and people swallow it (pardon the wording), hook line and sinker.

I use buttermilk as a pick me up, I tend to not drink milk, no tea, just black coffee, so.. it is a nice addition with my meals. I had reflux for years, but my health improved through a better intake of food and I stopped drinking alcohol a few years back also, which helps a lot with general health.

Lawliet

Amalgam wrote: »

no amount of ovepriced, sugar laced, 'magic fairy immunitas™' is going to save you from dodgy food intake.

Pretty much this. There's been a lot of clinical trials looking at the effects of probiotics and the general consensus is that the majority do nothing. The human microbiome is incredibly complicated and very well adapted, pretty much every surface of your GI tract that can be colonised has been colonised. Firing in some random 'friendly' bacteria isn't going to do anything really.
Probiotics are only useful when they're specific, i.e. there's a problem and you're taking bacterial strains that will counteract it. But even in those cases the benefits appear to be mild and the mechanism of how they even work is unclear.

Basically if your normal gut bacteria has been disrupted for some reason (i.e. you've got IBS, stomach ulcers, or are taking antibiotics) it might be worth looking into a few brands. But if you're fine and just want some vague benefit like an 'immune boost' or whatever meaningless buzzword they got in the ad, just save your money.

tomdempsey200

the actimel had me fooled until somebody told me it was a load of sugar

Tarzana

tomdempsey200 wrote: »

I'm looking for some healthy yoghurt for the stomach

is actimel healthy or just full of sugar?

thanks

Natural yoghurt. Make sure it's full fat though.

tomdempsey200

Tarzana wrote: »

Natural yoghurt. Make sure it's full fat though.

I got some at aldi but it's low fat

does it make a difference?

i'll be adding chocolate coconut and banana to flavour

Amalgam

Don't overlook Lidl, if you're not bothered by individual pots, Lidl have 1kg 'buckets', for €1.99, which is a bargain.

That's one of the perks of the recent commercial pressures on supermarket chains. Competition has forced yogurt prices to drop to about €1.20, on average, for a perfectly acceptable 4x125g pack of natural yogurt.

Buttermilk as low as 79 cent a Litre, Aldi. 85 cent Supervalu, I think 1.10 for Avonmore.

Tesco have own brand buttermilk too, under 90 cent, but I've had quality issues with it, so, tend to avoid.

Transform

tomdempsey200 wrote: »

I'm looking for some healthy yoghurt for the stomach

is actimel healthy or just full of sugar?

thanks

yes its junk food,

want help with digestion - ditch the sugar and wheat then go get some probiotics and digestive enzymes from iherb pronto

fat to ripped

Eat it if you like it. Don't eat it for the advertised benefits.

daithi7

Tarzana wrote: »

Natural yoghurt. Make sure it's full fat though.

Why full fat??

Surely with most of us eating too much saturated fat then low fat dairy options are better in general??

Also is there a low fat buttermilk option?
(or is that an oxymoron, 'scuse the pun & all dat)

WesternZulu

daithi7 wrote: »

Why full fat??

Surely with most of us eating too much saturated fat then low fat dairy options are better in general??

Saturated is not the demon that it has made out to be and slowely but surely the media is catching onto this.
For instance, Time Magazine has it as it's cover story this week.

http://time.com/2861540/fat-and-carbs-diet-guidelines/

If it's a choice between full fat and low fat...I'd go for full all the time!

Bruno26

daithi7 wrote: »

Why full fat??

Surely with most of us eating too much saturated fat then low fat dairy options are better in general??

Also is there a low fat buttermilk option?
(or is that an oxymoron, 'scuse the pun & all dat)

We don't eat enough saturated fat. There is no need to eat anything low fat ever. Buy full fat milk, cream, yogurt. Low fat didn't exist 40-50 years ago. Fat doesn't make you fat.

tomdempsey200

Started drinking buttermilk

Nice taste and cheap at less than 1€ a liter

Is it good for you?

DonnaDarko09

Bruno26 wrote: »

We don't eat enough saturated fat. There is no need to eat anything low fat ever. Buy full fat milk, cream, yogurt. Low fat didn't exist 40-50 years ago. Fat doesn't make you fat.

I think there's an exception with real Greek 'Fage' yogurt though? The 0% fat version contains less sugars, more protein and less calories. I still buy full fat though as prefer the taste

fat to ripped

Fat doesn't cause fat. You could live off the fattiest foods known to man and not gain an inch. A surplus of energy, or calories, as you'd read them on a label, is what will make you fat. Fat is highest in calories per gram, so if you simply want to lose weight, yeah you're probably better off with a low fat option. If health is the goal it's worth noting that there are often chemicals, sugar and other junk added once the calories are removed. Fage Greek yogurt is an exception to this, and the 0% fat version is one of the best things you can buy if you're looking to get some yogurt in.

generic2012

I made my own for a while. Look it up online, it's easy enough. Basically heating milk to kill bacteria, let cool, add active yoghurt and let the bacteria in that yoghurt colonise the milk and turn it into yogurt. If 'additives' worry you for some reason, there will be none in your won stuff.

Probiotics/yoghurts have the bacteria that are good for your gut but there isn't necessarily good conditions for them in there. Prebiotics are non-digestible carbs/fibre that encourage and promote beneficial bacterial growth. So I add wheat bran to my yoghurts to add, promote and MAINTAIN gut bacteria. Technically this would be known as a synbiotic (pre and pro biotic, combined), the same as kefir. Very interesting area to read up on I think, the importance of internal bacterial health is really starting to come out in the mainstream. Not that I'm a big advocate of it or anything, just that it probably will be massive in 5-10 years.

If you make your own yogurt it will be - cheap, additive free, probiotic, prebiotic, healthy and even the whackiest hippy in the world couldn't fault it!

Tarzana

daithi7 wrote: »

Why full fat??

Surely with most of us eating too much saturated fat then low fat dairy options are better in general??

Saturated fat has been utterly demonised, on flimsy evidence.

Much more important to cut down on sugar.

cruizer101

I remember seeing a TV documentary about probiotic drinks a few years ago where they explain that where L Caesi Immunitas comes from which they seem to avoid advertising.

They basically got **** samples from a number of healthy people examined the bacterial content of them, somehow chose one and then bred the bacteria to produce L Caesi Immunitas which then gets added in to the dairy products. So its basically eating something which is grown from some persons poo, not that this is necessarily a bad thing, there is such things as stool transplant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_bacteriotherapy

As most have said I wouldn't really bother with them not needed if have a well balanced healthy diet anyway.

Dilly.

tomdempsey200 wrote: »

I got some at aldi but it's low fat

does it make a difference?

i'll be adding chocolate coconut and banana to flavour

Is it just my local Aldi or do they only sell only low fat natural yoghurt? It's a bit annoying!

tomdempsey200

Dilly. wrote: »

Is it just my local Aldi or do they only sell only low fat natural yoghurt? It's a bit annoying!

Fat free and low fat is all that's available for me

daithi7

Bruno26 wrote: »

We don't eat enough saturated fat. There is no need to eat anything low fat ever. Buy full fat milk, cream, yogurt. Low fat didn't exist 40-50 years ago. Fat doesn't make you fat.

Other than yourself, Who says 'we don't enough saturated fat'!?

Surely when most people are overweight and have too much saturated fat in their diet (as well as sugar & salt & a few other things), it's common sense to reduce their saturated fat intake, and hence choosing low fat options for things like yoghurt, butter spreads, milk & cheese should be better than full fat options??

Bruno26

daithi7 wrote: »

Other than yourself, Who says 'we don't enough saturated fat'!?

Surely when most people are overweight and have too much saturated fat in their diet (as well as sugar & salt & a few other things), it's common sense to reduce their saturated fat intake, and hence choosing low fat options for things like yoghurt, butter spreads, milk & cheese should be better than full fat options??

People are overweight because they eat too much crap. They haven't got too much saturated fat in their diet. They have too much sugar and grains and processed rubbish.

Did low fat exist 40-50 years ago? No. It's business.

daithi7

Bruno26 wrote: »

People are overweight because they eat too much crap. They haven't got too much saturated fat in their diet. They have too much sugar and grains and processed rubbish.

Did low fat exist 40-50 years ago? No. It's business.

Ehhh no, People are overweight cos they eat too many calories, at the wrong times of the day and exercise too little.

High fat foods have higher calories per gram than other foods and than low fat options.

Low fat foods did not exist afaik 40-50 years ago, but then people were far more active day to day, and didn't eat as much junk (i.e. high fat &/or high sugar) foods, so there was probably less of a requirement for them. But then obesity and heart disease were prevalent maladies then too- so maybe there was a requirement for them- they just hadn't been invented yet!!

There's a trendy movement now that full fat is a more wholesome option, I think its bollocks myself, but I am prepared to accept otherwise if some of its proponents can give a real,credible and proven reason that eating a higher amount of saturated fat in your diet will be good for you!?

I'm sorry, that just goes against everything I understand about the modern diet & lifestyle and doesn't even nearly pass the common sense test.

September1

daithi7 wrote: »

Low fat foods did not exist afaik 40-50 years ago, but then people were far more active day to day, and didn't eat as much junk (i.e. high fat &/or high sugar) foods, so there was probably less of a requirement for them. But then obesity and heart disease were prevalent maladies then too- so maybe there was a requirement for them- they just hadn't been invented yet!!

Not in every country, in some places 40-50 years ago there were no gyms, nobody cycled to work by choice, run marathons as hobby and so on. It is hard to argue that activity levels are down in my opinion, if anything they are up in first world countries.

UK has HSE (Health Survey for England) which has some data available, let's look at years I could find out using google.
In 1997 32% of men and 21% of women were meeting recommended activity levels, in 2008 it was 42% and 31% respectively. However in 1997 only 17% men and 19.7% of women were obese while in 2008 24.1% and 24.2% respectively. Similar trend was seen with diabetes.

There's a trendy movement now that full fat is a more wholesome option, I think its bollocks myself, but I am prepared to accept otherwise if some of its proponents can give a real,credible and proven reason that eating a higher amount of saturated fat in your diet will be good for you!?

I'm sorry, that just goes against everything I understand about the modern diet & lifestyle and doesn't even nearly pass the common sense test.

Saturated fats lower risk of heart problems:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22760560

Saturated fats are not linked to heart problems:
http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1846638

fat to ripped

I'm fat because I eat too many calories. Every day I have a low fat yoghurt. So if I change to have the same high fat version, and therefore higher calorie gram for gram yogurt, I'll lose weight! It makes perfect sense! Thanks Bruno, you're a genius.

Bruno26

daithi7 wrote: »

Ehhh no, People are overweight cos they eat too many calories, at the wrong times of the day and exercise too little.

High fat foods have higher calories per gram than other foods and than low fat options.

Low fat foods did not exist afaik 40-50 years ago, but then people were far more active day to day, and didn't eat as much junk (i.e. high fat &/or high sugar) foods, so there was probably less of a requirement for them. But then obesity and heart disease were prevalent maladies then too- so maybe there was a requirement for them- they just hadn't been invented yet!!

There's a trendy movement now that full fat is a more wholesome option, I think its bollocks myself, but I am prepared to accept otherwise if some of its proponents can give a real,credible and proven reason that eating a higher amount of saturated fat in your diet will be good for you!?

I'm sorry, that just goes against everything I understand about the modern diet & lifestyle and doesn't even nearly pass the common sense test.

Please explain how eating at the wrong times of day is relevant? It makes no difference when we eat- it's what is eaten / drank is the problem. People are overweight because of the processed crap they eat and drink.

High / normal fat foods fill you up so you don't crave more crap.

Exercise has little relevance as you can't out exercise a poor diet.

Ha - that trendy movement has been around for approximately 2 million years. We have been told to eat low fat so certain industries can prosper. The tide is turning again as people are learning that low fat is bull.

Bruno26

fat to ripped wrote: »

I'm fat because I eat too many calories. Every day I have a low fat yoghurt. So if I change to have the same high fat version, and therefore higher calorie gram for gram yogurt, I'll lose weight! It makes perfect sense! Thanks Bruno, you're a genius.

Your fat because you eat too many of the wrong calories and clearly your ignorance on this matter. Your certainly no genius if you eat low fat thinking you will lose fat. Check the carb percentage / grams / sugar content on your yogurt. You'd feel fuller (google appestat) if you ate full fat yogurt and you wouldn't crave more rubbish soon afterwards. Low fat is total bull.

daithi7

Bruno26 wrote: »

Please explain how eating at the wrong times of day is relevant? It makes no difference when we eat- it's what is eaten / drank is the problem. People are overweight because of the processed crap they eat and drink.

High / normal fat foods fill you up so you don't crave more crap.

Exercise has little relevance as you can't out exercise a poor diet.

Ha - that trendy movement has been around for approximately 2 million years. We have been told to eat low fat so certain industries can prosper. The tide is turning again as people are learning that low fat is bull.

TAKING A DEEP BREATH, PATIENCE, Patience, patience , ah yes that's better, right:

1. Time of the day when eating: eat a good wholesome breakfast-> high metabolism early in the day -> higher activity levels, less cravings, less fat store and generally more efficient.

Ever hear the phrase: 'Breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince & dine like a pauper' ?

2. Relevance of exercise- are you for real??? ever see an overweight real marathon runner have you!?

3. Trendy movement it is? its a reaction to a general trend to eat lower fat food. It may well be industry sponsored e.g. I can't see the dairy( cheese making) business being too happy with people becoming conscious of the pernicious effects of high saturated fats in their diets.

I must go now , as I wish to go for a swim, which I find allows me to eat and digest foods better while all the while getting into better shape. ciao!!!

Bruno26

daithi7 wrote: »

Other than yourself, Who says 'we don't enough saturated fat'!?

Surely when most people are overweight and have too much saturated fat in their diet (as well as sugar & salt & a few other things), it's common sense to reduce their saturated fat intake, and hence choosing low fat options for things like yoghurt, butter spreads, milk & cheese should be better than full fat options??

http://time.com/2863227/ending-the-war-on-fat/

Bruno26

daithi7 wrote: »

TAKING A DEEP BREATH, PATIENCE, Patience, patience , ah yes that's better, right:

1. Time of the day when eating: eat a good wholesome breakfast-> high metabolism early in the day -> higher activity levels, less cravings, less fat store and generally more efficient.

Ever hear the phrase: 'Breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince & dine like a pauper' ?

2. Relevance of exercise- are you for real??? ever see an overweight real marathon runner have you!?

3. Trendy movement it is? its a reaction to a general trend to eat lower fat food. It may well be industry sponsored e.g. I can't see the dairy( cheese making) business being too happy with people becoming conscious of the pernicious effects of high saturated fats in their diets.

I must go now , as I wish to go for a swim, which I find allows me to eat and digest foods better while all the while getting into better shape. ciao!!!

Breakfast yes- but people aren't fat because they eat at random times- they're fat because they eat rubbish.

Ha- I've seen plenty of people doing marathons who are still overweight. You can't out run a bad diet. Nutrition 80% Exercise 20 %.

It's not trendy- it's just the right thing to do- it's eating real food as we've done for 2 million years. Replacing full fat with low fat / carbs has proven to be shocking advice.

How Strange

fat to ripped wrote: »

I'm fat because I eat too many calories. Every day I have a low fat yoghurt. So if I change to have the same high fat version, and therefore higher calorie gram for gram yogurt, I'll lose weight! It makes perfect sense! Thanks Bruno, you're a genius.

You might be surprised if you compared a regular yoghurt with a low fat one that the low fat one has more calories in it etc. just because it's labelled low fat doesn't necessarily mean it is.

How Strange

I've actually seen lots of overweight marathon runners because they spend the 26.2 miles drinking energy drinks and sucking on gels. I made the same mistake the first year I did the marathon. The second year I trained with minimal water, no gels or energy drinks etc and I ran faster. I also didn't lose any weight either year because I was over eating and lost more weight once I stopped marathon training and eating so much.

fat to ripped

Bruno26 wrote: »

Your fat because you eat too many of the wrong calories and clearly your ignorance on this matter. Your certainly no genius if you eat low fat thinking you will lose fat. Check the carb percentage / grams / sugar content on your yogurt. You'd feel fuller (google appestat) if you ate full fat yogurt and you wouldn't crave more rubbish soon afterwards. Low fat is total bull.

That is not the argument. If someone eats one low fat yogurt instead of the high fat version they have consumed less calories. This isn't an argument about health, it's not about what's more filling, it's about calories in vs calories out, which is the sole dictating factor in whether or not an individual will gain weight.

Wrong calories do not exist. A calorie is a calorie. What's good or bad for you, in terms of health, is broken down in other, more important macro/micronutrients. We should have a varied and balanced diet, which will help keep those in check for over all health matters. When it comes to whether or not you're fat, that's a case of how much you eat and whether or not you're burning it off.

It's a real headache trying to make sense your half baked opinions. I can only assume you have no self control, so yeah, if a low fat yogurt is going to spur some sort of sugar fueled binge, then go for the high fat option if that fills you up more; ultimately, the goal is still the same, isn't it? You want to consume less calories.

Once I subscribed to the notion of just maintaining a balanced diet and keeping up a regular fitness regime, I found I started seeing results. Forgive me for this, but I felt compelled to post a demonstrative pic with Bruno's incoherent ramblings. Below is an example of my current body fat - there are plenty more muscular people/more defined, and I'm not tooting my own horn in any way, but it's a complete contrast to how I was before; achieved only because I started to focus on what makes the difference: Calories. I eat what I want. Carbs, protein, fat, whatever. I just make sure to have a rough idea of whether or not I'm in a calorie surplus or deficit. I used to obsess about this sort of crap: Can't eat this! Oh no, carbs! Good foods, bad foods! And you know what? I ended up staying fat.

generic2012

Bruno26 wrote: »

Did low fat exist 40-50 years ago? No. It's business.

Yes fruit, berries and vegetables have been around for millions of years.

generic2012

Bruno26 wrote: »

Ha - that trendy movement has been around for approximately 2 million years.

How has it been around for 2 million years!?

KTRIC

Bruno26 wrote: »

Ha - that trendy movement has been around for approximately 2 million years. We have been told to eat low fat so certain industries can prosper. The tide is turning again as people are learning that low fat is bull.

Not exactly trendy is it, since it predates the earliest known existence of homo-sapiens by 1,800,000 years !! :rolleyes:

daithi7

Bruno26 wrote: »

Your fat because you eat too many of the wrong calories and clearly your ignorance on this matter. Your certainly no genius if you eat low fat thinking you will lose fat.........

you can't spell, your grammer is pathetic and you have the gaul to accuse another poster of ignorance, YOU'RE HILARIOUS MURIEL!!!

p.s. high fat diets in children have proven to correspond to poor learning & education outcomes btw, perhaps you are living, breathing, high cholesterol proof!?

generic2012

daithi7 wrote: »

you can't spell, your grammer is pathetic and you have the gaul to accuse another poster of ignorance, YOU'RE HILARIOUS MURIEL!!!

p.s. high fat diets in children have proven to correspond to poor learning & education outcomes btw, perhaps you are living, breathing, high cholesterol proof!?

Evidence isn't a prerogative of these boys.

Bruno26

generic2012 wrote: »

Yes fruit, berries and vegetables have been around for millions of years.

Cop on- Is the fat removed from fruit , berries and vegetables to make them low fat products?