Siptu to ballot for strike action at IE

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

I cant see the word WILL in there.

Correct..You said 'until it happens'

Anyway, you're only speculating as much as the rest of us are as to what the outcome maybe.

Hilly Bill

may06 wrote: »

Correct..You said 'until it happens'

Anyway, you're only speculating as much as the rest of us are as to what the outcome maybe.

I know what the outcome will be

Victor

may06 wrote: »

So it will happen then? Make up your mind.

Knock it off. Constructive posts only please.

Moderator

Cookie_Monster

The National Bus and Rail Union (NBRU) has announced a total of four days of stoppages in the coming weeks, beginning with a 48-hour work stoppage on August 24.

This is set to be followed by two 24-hour work stoppages on September 7, the day of the All-Ireland hurling final, and September 21, when the football decider takes place.

It comes after SIPTU confirmed its rail workers would strike on August 25, and said it had not ruled out further work stoppages.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-rail-in-strike-blow-for-allireland-final-fans-30478684.html

corktina

well that will earn them loads of public sympathy (not)

n97 mini

Can't see it happening on AI days. Someone will give in. Probably the side that usually gives in.

end of the road

corktina wrote: »

well that will earn them loads of public sympathy (not)

in fairness if i was in their situation public sympathy wouldn't even register, it would be about getting a better deal and for management to take a hit also

end of the road

n97 mini wrote: »

Can't see it happening on AI days. Someone will give in. Probably the side that usually gives in.

nobody is "giving in" its called compromise, the staff have given a lot and management little to nothing it seems

Hilly Bill

corktina wrote: »

well that will earn them loads of public sympathy (not)

I doubt that its to get public sympathy.

Cookie_Monster

Hilly Bill wrote: »

I doubt that its to get public sympathy.

They need it tbh because I doubt many in the public will side with them as it is. If the company knows they have the support of the public (and they already have the support of the gov) why should they move an inch on the issue?

Heisenberg1

end of the road wrote: »

in fairness if i was in their situation public sympathy wouldn't even register, it would be about getting a better deal and for management to take a hit also

Have management not already taking the cuts the we're agreed with LC?

kildarecommuter

Everytime they take a cut govt cut subvention again that's the problem

end of the road

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

They need it tbh because I doubt many in the public will side with them as it is. If the company knows they have the support of the public (and they already have the support of the gov) why should they move an inch on the issue?

i wouldn't under estimate the support the workers will get though, i was surprised how much support for example dublin bus BE and even the ESB workers got when they went out, more then i expected, there will always be some who won't support striking workers but i'd imagine they won't and don't support the companies either, they just see them as one entity to rabel rabel about on the journal.

corktina

kildarecommuter wrote: »

Everytime they take a cut govt cut subvention again that's the problem

Isn't that a good thing for the Nation and isn't that the point? The (then)Minister warned IE and the Unions that they have to get there acts together to cut costs.

end of the road

corktina wrote: »

Isn't that a good thing for the Nation and isn't that the point?
The (then)Minister warned IE and the Unions that they have to get there acts together to cut costs.

no, its not a good thing for the nation, cutting costs should be separate to the subsidy and should be happening anyway, whereas continuesly cutting the subsidy is eventually going to cause something to give, it could be service reductions/closures/less investment possibly undoing the work that has been done over the years which would be a great shame, we need to face the facts that if we want a good public transport system we have to pay for it

Peppa Pig

Who has actually voted to strike? Is it drivers/ticket staff/trolley lady/mechanics?

corktina

We're paying for it where I'm from and not getting it. The people using it should maybe pay more seeing as they are getting a service I'm not.

end of the road

corktina wrote: »

We're paying for it where I'm from and not getting it. The people using it should maybe pay more seeing as they are getting a service I'm not.

maybe there is an argument for that to happen, however we all pay for services we may not have access to, thats how the tax system works i'm afraid

Jamie2k9

Hilly Bill wrote: »

I doubt that its to get public sympathy.

Sure the NBRU are doing use a favor apparently by striking on the 7/21 September. its allergically the least busiest days in September compared to the 14/28 for example as put to them on Today FM.

Hilly Bill

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

They need it tbh because I doubt many in the public will side with them as it is. If the company knows they have the support of the public (and they already have the support of the gov) why should they move an inch on the issue?

They dont need any public sympathy. The public just want to get from A to B without any hassle, they wont be on the picket line and protesting in favour.

Its not the company thats pulling the strings on this one its the government. Its them that want the cut in wages before they look into giving anymore subsidy.

Hilly Bill

Peppa Pig wrote: »

Who has actually voted to strike? Is it drivers/ticket staff/trolley lady/mechanics?

It would be a mixture of all grades. Not everyone in one particular area would have been in favour.

There are a few that would strike for nothing especially in Cork .

Hilly Bill

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Sure the NBRU are doing use a favor apparently by striking on the 7/21 September. its allergically the least busiest days in September compared to the 14/28 for example as put to them on Today FM.

Its bad enough striking on any day of the year, picking days like the All Ireland would be just taking the preverbials . Anyone that says they are doing us a favour needs a dose of cop on.

Jamie2k9

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Its bad enough striking on any day of the year, picking days like the All Ireland would be just taking the preverbials . Anyone that says they are doing us a favour needs a dose of cop on.

Are staff annoyed with the dates as pay cuts or not its a good pay day for staff with the extra services etc. I can't see it happening on these days.

Cookie_Monster

Peppa Pig wrote: »

Who has actually voted to strike? Is it drivers/ticket staff/trolley lady/mechanics?

NBRU and Siptu are the ones calling strikes, whereas other unions accepted proposals. I would read from that the majority are drivers

from the same article i linked previously

These had been accepted at ballot by the Transport Salaried Staffs' Association, the Technical Engineering and Electrical Union and Unite, but were rejected by SIPTU and the NBRU.

Those unions would tend to attract more the clerical and mechanic side of the employees I would have thought.

Hilly Bill

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Are staff annoyed with the dates as pay cuts or not its a good pay day for staff with the extra services etc. I can't see it happening on these days.

Staff get nothing extra for them dates. Its just another working day but busier.

Infini

The 3 unions that voted in favour are the 3 smallest ones that dont take up more than a 3rd of the total roster. Siptu are the biggest with about half of total staff and nbru with about a quarter.

Its odd tho how people give ouy about the all ireland strike days tho, much as it might be an inconvenice its better than a strike on a weekday where everyone from schools to people working would be affected.

In the end tho its a 2 pronged problem that this has happened. Management filling more and more management jobs over the past year while leaving frontline grades that actually deal with passengers vacant across the board and a gob****e government that cut the subsidy repeatedly after getting previous cuts agreed to only to cut it again to the point the service is grossly underfunded. It was only a matter of time till something like this was gonna happen.

corktina

that's 108% then.... :-)

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Staff get nothing extra for them dates. Its just another working day but busier.

For the extra Sunday services? The drivers out of Longford get paid for working the special services on Sunday during the GAA champ'ship as its not part of their normal weekly shift.

Jamie2k9

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Staff get nothing extra for them dates. Its just another working day but busier.

I know but meant it as in its extra shifts for many drivers than your normal week.

Cookie_Monster

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/rail-strike-is-a-slap-in-the-face-for-the-taxpayer-30495809.html

transport minister wrote:

He told the Sunday Independent: "Let be clear on this. This is a strike that should not go ahead. These are measures that have to be implemented."

Mr Donohoe stressed that he must do right by the taxpayer and the customers who use Irish Rail.

"I think it would be a huge slap in the face to people who depend on rail services to get to two of the iconic sporting days in Ireland