Siptu to ballot for strike action at IE

davidlacey

Full story at:
http://m.rte.ie/news/touch/2014/0521/618745-irish-rail-siptu/

Infini

Only thing that suprises me there is how narrow the vote is. Expect the NBRU one to be rejected by a much larger majority.

Hilly Bill

They already voted in favour of strike action after the last proposal was rejected so there will be no change this time.

Grandeeod

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=89228670

Always on the way.:rolleyes:

Hilly Bill

Great, you shared a link to your own thread and you are still wrong. There wont be a strike.

Jamie2k9

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Great, you shared a link to your own thread and you are still wrong. There wont be a strike.

Not from SIPTU given the 2% margin but the NBRU could be a different story.

Strike or not either pay or jobs will go by end of the year unless something big happens.

Fred Swanson

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Grandeeod

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Great, you shared a link to your own thread and you are still wrong. There wont be a strike.

Why not?

flutered

start at the very top, can we afford a transport minister and a commuter transport minister, lets vote on that one first.

kildarecommuter

Think staffs biggest fear is they agree this Govt then cut subsidy again, company look for more cuts.
To much fat at the top though in fairness its nothing more than a glorified LUAS these days

Peppa Pig

Siptu have rejected the amended LRC recommendations.

SIPTU Organiser Paul Cullen said: "It is clear from this ballot result that our members have categorically rejected the acceptance of any further pay reductions."

He added that the vote means the union does not have a mandate from its members to engage in any further negotiations with Iarnród Éireann.

RTE Link

trellheim

How does 53/47 mean "categorically" ?

n97 mini

kildarecommuter wrote: »

nothing more than a glorified LUAS these days

I wish it was, with Leap capping lower than Dublin Bus and last trains at 12.30am.

nigelradion2

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Not from SIPTU given the 2% margin but the NBRU could be a different story.

Strike or not either pay or jobs will go by end of the year unless something big happens.

very true indeed. The last thing IE need right now is any form of strike action. This will only increase the company's financial loss and make pay cuts and compulsory redundancies a much more real possibility. Either way, something is going to give way

Grandeeod

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Great, you shared a link to your own thread and you are still wrong. There wont be a strike.

What's this then?

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-rail-siptu-strike-august-1588953-Jul2014/

Hilly Bill

Wait until it happens.

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Wait until it happens.

And you can say that with certainty that it wont?

Hilly Bill

I can say with certainty that its best to wait until it happens before getting too excited about it.

Grandeeod

Personally I'm not excited at all. It will be a huge disruption for a lot of people. But I am a little disconcerted by dismissive posts from months ago, that a strike won't happen eventhough one has been called now.

The question remains. Do you know something we dont know, or are we about to witness this dinosaur semi state capitulate once again to the union agenda?

Jamie2k9

Its the NBRU who will cause most problems if they strike.

If they strike IE will just probably leave pay at what it is and then just cut as many jobs to meet the savings.

Hilly Bill

Grandeeod wrote: »

Personally I'm not excited at all. It will be a huge disruption for a lot of people. But I am a little disconcerted by dismissive posts from months ago, that a strike won't happen eventhough one has been called now.

The question remains. Do you know something we dont know, or are we about to witness this dinosaur semi state capitulate once again to the union agenda?

Have faith brother .

Hilly Bill

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Given how close SIPTU votes have being it could go either way. Its the NBRU which is more impotent as I believe they represent most drivers as they usually vote to strike for everything.

If they strike IE will just probably leave pay at what it is and then just cut as many jobs to meet the savings.

SIPTU represent the most amount of drivers.

Regardless of what union they are in , all you want is for the signal staff to go out and the network will come to a halt.

I cant see them cutting many jobs as they are under staffed as it is.

Jamie2k9

Hilly Bill wrote: »

SIPTU represent the most amount of drivers.

Regardless of what union they are in , all you want is for the signal staff to go out and the network will come to a halt.

I cant see them cutting many jobs as they are under staffed as it is.

If staff don't take the cuts then I can't see them giving in as it would give unions complete control over the company. They will probably target more station staff if jobs have to go. Only other option is taxpayer footing the bill.

Grandeeod

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Only other option is taxpayer footing the bill.

Looks the more likely.

Hilly Bill

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

If staff don't take the cuts then I can't see them giving in as it would give unions complete control over the company. They will probably target more station staff if jobs have to go. Only other option is taxpayer footing the bill.

Either way, the staff pays .

Infini

The question remains. Do you know something we dont know, or are we about to witness this dinosaur semi state capitulate once again to the union agenda?

Its not really a union agenda. What you might see here on the surface is a union refusing to take a small pay cut. What your not seeing is the sheer breakdown in relations with management and the OTHER issues that are causing this. The real problems are the goverment repeatedly cutting the subsidy and demanding the same level of service after getting cuts in the past, that and the fact that to the employee the place looks like its being run into the ground by the fact that they've gutted depot jobs for example to the point that theyre asking even begging some people to come in on their days off to make up the shortfall, where theres so little staff that some places cant even be declared safe in the event of an emergency, where management refuse to fill the frontline jobs where customers are and have had these requests blocked but instead fill MORE managment jobs for themselves every other week. Thats what has so much oppositon to the cuts and lets not get started on the fact theyre looking for cuts to pay after not only all the other taxes that have been lumped on them but others coming soon as well and at the same time the economys turning around and costs are going UP!

Its the NBRU who will cause most problems if they strike.
If they strike IE will just probably leave pay at what it is and then just cut as many jobs to meet the savings

NBRU are the ones really to watch expecially if they vote for all out strike action (personally I dont see this being the best way rather simply refusing to cover rest days and such would be more than effective to drive home the point how the important sections have been badly run down to the public) however we should wait and see what happens first theres still enough time ahead where this could change.

SIPTU represent the most amount of drivers.
Regardless of what union they are in , all you want is for the signal staff to go out and the network will come to a halt.
I cant see them cutting many jobs as they are under staffed as it is.

NBRU I believe are gaining alot of new members in recent weeks as SIPTU are seen more and more these days as cosy to management even heard rumors from some in the driver grades that theyve very little membership left in the drivers areas and that theyre mosly NBRU now because SIPTU looked like theyre were gonna capitulate to management. Its only ever taken the drivers or signal staff to shut the place down as both key grades hold the balance of power.
Management are the ones that may have to worry the most as the front like grades have been gutted so badly and left so undermanned in parts that if any serious cuts need to be enforced even if recievership happens it would be them that would be the first to go.

If staff don't take the cuts then I can't see them giving in as it would give unions complete control over the company. They will probably target more station staff if jobs have to go. Only other option is taxpayer footing the bill.

Unions arent looking for control of the company the issue here is how the way the place is being run and how they want pay cuts at a time when the place is dangerously undermanned in places and when cost of living is rising again. Unmanned stations are a joke expecially when wheelchairs are involved (that poor lad at howth jct a while back being an example of why stations should be manned even on a middle shift) not to mention places with tourists being left unmanned where money could be made. Hell you can ride for free a good deal of the time if you know where to go thanks to lack of staff. Even the ticket inspectors are struggling for staff at times for spot checks. They spent putting new validation machines in that now lie open half the time in a bunch of stations, they left killiney unmanned permenantly theres even fears by some someones gonna be hit by a train down that way at some point because theyre messing around expecially when good weather comes out and theres noone there.

In the end this pay cut MIGHT have happened if it had happened two years ago but with the way things are now it definately wont happen without a fight. Conditions have deteroirated to a point where the frontline staff simply arent gonna take any more BS from managment filling their own jobs week after week while drivers and depotment are left without staff constantly. Its expected this could get nasty as well whether there is an all out strike or not. Ironically everytime Fine Gael gets into power theres always trouble in the railway usually caused by them so that aint helping either.

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

I can say with certainty that its best to wait until it happens before getting too excited about it.

So it will happen then? Make up your mind.

Hilly Bill

may06 wrote: »

So it will happen then? Make up your mind.

Show me a post where i said that it will happen.

man98

I'd be a very pro striking person, but industrial action seems a bit far considering other public servants got it much worse. Imo the unions could negotiate a smaller blow, for X amount of years before Ireland runs a surplus. Not ideal for either side, but it needs to be done.

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Show me a post where i said that it will happen.

your previous post .......

Originally Posted by Hilly Bill
I can say with certainty that its best to wait until it happens

Hilly Bill

may06 wrote: »

your previous post .......

Originally Posted by Hilly Bill
I can say with certainty that its best to wait until it happens

I cant see the word WILL in there.

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

I cant see the word WILL in there.

Correct..You said 'until it happens'

Anyway, you're only speculating as much as the rest of us are as to what the outcome maybe.

Hilly Bill

may06 wrote: »

Correct..You said 'until it happens'

Anyway, you're only speculating as much as the rest of us are as to what the outcome maybe.

I know what the outcome will be

Victor

may06 wrote: »

So it will happen then? Make up your mind.

Knock it off. Constructive posts only please.

Moderator

Cookie_Monster

The National Bus and Rail Union (NBRU) has announced a total of four days of stoppages in the coming weeks, beginning with a 48-hour work stoppage on August 24.

This is set to be followed by two 24-hour work stoppages on September 7, the day of the All-Ireland hurling final, and September 21, when the football decider takes place.

It comes after SIPTU confirmed its rail workers would strike on August 25, and said it had not ruled out further work stoppages.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-rail-in-strike-blow-for-allireland-final-fans-30478684.html

corktina

well that will earn them loads of public sympathy (not)

n97 mini

Can't see it happening on AI days. Someone will give in. Probably the side that usually gives in.

end of the road

corktina wrote: »

well that will earn them loads of public sympathy (not)

in fairness if i was in their situation public sympathy wouldn't even register, it would be about getting a better deal and for management to take a hit also

end of the road

n97 mini wrote: »

Can't see it happening on AI days. Someone will give in. Probably the side that usually gives in.

nobody is "giving in" its called compromise, the staff have given a lot and management little to nothing it seems

Hilly Bill

corktina wrote: »

well that will earn them loads of public sympathy (not)

I doubt that its to get public sympathy.

Cookie_Monster

Hilly Bill wrote: »

I doubt that its to get public sympathy.

They need it tbh because I doubt many in the public will side with them as it is. If the company knows they have the support of the public (and they already have the support of the gov) why should they move an inch on the issue?

Heisenberg1

end of the road wrote: »

in fairness if i was in their situation public sympathy wouldn't even register, it would be about getting a better deal and for management to take a hit also

Have management not already taking the cuts the we're agreed with LC?

kildarecommuter

Everytime they take a cut govt cut subvention again that's the problem

end of the road

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

They need it tbh because I doubt many in the public will side with them as it is. If the company knows they have the support of the public (and they already have the support of the gov) why should they move an inch on the issue?

i wouldn't under estimate the support the workers will get though, i was surprised how much support for example dublin bus BE and even the ESB workers got when they went out, more then i expected, there will always be some who won't support striking workers but i'd imagine they won't and don't support the companies either, they just see them as one entity to rabel rabel about on the journal.

corktina

kildarecommuter wrote: »

Everytime they take a cut govt cut subvention again that's the problem

Isn't that a good thing for the Nation and isn't that the point? The (then)Minister warned IE and the Unions that they have to get there acts together to cut costs.

end of the road

corktina wrote: »

Isn't that a good thing for the Nation and isn't that the point?
The (then)Minister warned IE and the Unions that they have to get there acts together to cut costs.

no, its not a good thing for the nation, cutting costs should be separate to the subsidy and should be happening anyway, whereas continuesly cutting the subsidy is eventually going to cause something to give, it could be service reductions/closures/less investment possibly undoing the work that has been done over the years which would be a great shame, we need to face the facts that if we want a good public transport system we have to pay for it

Peppa Pig

Who has actually voted to strike? Is it drivers/ticket staff/trolley lady/mechanics?

corktina

We're paying for it where I'm from and not getting it. The people using it should maybe pay more seeing as they are getting a service I'm not.

end of the road

corktina wrote: »

We're paying for it where I'm from and not getting it. The people using it should maybe pay more seeing as they are getting a service I'm not.

maybe there is an argument for that to happen, however we all pay for services we may not have access to, thats how the tax system works i'm afraid

Jamie2k9

Hilly Bill wrote: »

I doubt that its to get public sympathy.

Sure the NBRU are doing use a favor apparently by striking on the 7/21 September. its allergically the least busiest days in September compared to the 14/28 for example as put to them on Today FM.

Hilly Bill

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

They need it tbh because I doubt many in the public will side with them as it is. If the company knows they have the support of the public (and they already have the support of the gov) why should they move an inch on the issue?

They dont need any public sympathy. The public just want to get from A to B without any hassle, they wont be on the picket line and protesting in favour.

Its not the company thats pulling the strings on this one its the government. Its them that want the cut in wages before they look into giving anymore subsidy.