''Shocking'' racist message on n7

desertcircus

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

No i dont fear these people I just don't want to mix with them and clearly they don't want to mix with us there here to make money and leave the **** they left behind them. Have a look at African and Asian culture and tell me based on what u have seen of them in Ireland alone u want mixed into ours?

If your culture can't survive an influx of immigrants comprising less than a fifth of the population, then it's not worth defending. If you don't want foreign people and you don't want foreign culture, and you think mixing of people and culture is a bad thing, stop lying to yourself about what you are.

How Soon Is Now

Nodin wrote: »

I've seen nothing of them that strikes me as particularily notable. What are you referring to?

In this sense what do u mean by notable?

See you have picked your side here and ive picked mine even if u slightly taught something that falls over into my side u will have me say it instead of u that way you stay in the acceptable side of things dont u ?

How Soon Is Now

Still waiting for someone to tell me something other then they make nice food as a reason why u would want anything from there culture in ours ?

desertcircus

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

In this sense what do u mean by notable?

See you have picked your side here and ive picked mine even if u slightly taught something that falls over into my side u will have me say it instead of u that way you stay in the acceptable side of things dont u ?

Are you literally incapable of believing that someone isn't a xenophobe?

Nodin

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

Yes, You're one voter, among many and I would suggest that many of your fellow voters don't actually share many of the same views, that's been my experience with Sinn Fein voters for longer than I can remember. The core philosophy of that party is cultural nationalism, not socialism or internationalism.

Then I'd suggest you haven't a bogs notion, tbh. The party has had long standing socialist international links for decades.

desertcircus

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Still waiting for someone to tell me something other then they make nice food as a reason why u would want anything from there culture in ours ?

Can you explain a single aspect of "their" culture you don't think should be here?

How Soon Is Now

desertcircus wrote: »

Are you literally incapable of believing that someone isn't a xenophobe?

Answer my question its really simple.

Nodin

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

In this sense what do u mean by notable?

See you have picked your side here and ive picked mine even if u slightly taught something that falls over into my side u will have me say it instead of u that way you stay in the acceptable side of things dont u ?

Not entirely sure what the second part of that means.

I have seen nothing objectionable about them - Asian or African. There is nothing that makes them stand out as somehow undesirable. You seem to have had a different experience - you might elaborate.

How Soon Is Now

desertcircus wrote: »

Can you explain a single aspect of "their" culture you don't think should be here?

I could explain more then a single aspect....

I had 3 paragraphs of stuff written here on what i think about eastern European African and Asian people.....

In fairness now u know as well as i do the second i start posting it on here weather im right or not after hours wont appear on my screen anymore....

Theres no nice way of saying what i have to say its plain as day u either like it or u dont and on here its not acceptable.

Nodin

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I could explain more then a single aspect....

I had 3 paragraphs of stuff written here on what i think about eastern European African and Asian people.....

In fairness now u know as well as i do the second i start posting it on here weather im right or not after hours wont appear on my screen anymore....

.....so you're a racist then?

desertcircus

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Answer my question its really simple.

The fact that charity for those less fortunate is one of the five pillars of Islam? The high value assigned to academic achievements in certain Asian countries?

Oh, wait a minute, I'm not the one claiming that those foreigners are going to damage Ireland. Go on, tell me how.

desertcircus

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I could explain more then a single aspect....

I had 3 paragraphs of stuff written here on what i think about eastern European African and Asian people.....

In fairness now u know as well as i do the second i start posting it on here weather im right or not after hours wont appear on my screen anymore....

Theres no nice way of saying what i have to say its plain as day u either like it or u dont and on here its not acceptable.

Ah, so you're such a colossal bigot that even beginning to explain the extent of your bigotry would trigger an instant ban. Gotcha.

How Soon Is Now

Nodin wrote: »

.....so you're a racist then?

You know what i am?

I am someone who doesn't like A LOT of people around the world and things about the world.

My attitude is as simple as this when i want to be nice ill be nice when it suits me to be nice ill do it. If i have reason to not be then thats how ill be.

I aint gonna be put into any categories or labeled because how i think about the world and its people just aint that black and white.

FTA69

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Still waiting for someone to tell me something other then they make nice food as a reason why u would want anything from there culture in ours ?

Because cultures can coexist. The fact your neighbour might eat differently or worship differently isn't some massive threat to you like. Least of all in a country where 90% of people are the same ethnicity.

You just have a massive chip on your shoulder over people getting on with their lives.

Go eat a curry, or drink some sake or ride a black one.

Chill the f*ck out.

Nodin

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

You know what i am?

I am someone who doesn't like A LOT of people around the world and things about the world.

My attitude is as simple as this when i want to be nice ill be nice when it suits me to be nice ill do it. If i have reason to not be then thats how ill be.

I aint gonna be put into any categories or labeled because how i think about the world and its people just aint that black and white.

Vague blather. What is it about Africans and Asians (you might specify which specific group of Asians) you find objectionable?

desertcircus

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

You know what i am?

I am someone who doesn't like A LOT of people around the world and things about the world.

My attitude is as simple as this when i want to be nice ill be nice when it suits me to be nice ill do it. If i have reason to not be then thats how ill be.

I aint gonna be put into any categories or labeled because how i think about the world and its people just aint that black and white.

If you can't explain your stance because doing so would get you instantly banned for racism, then you're a racist. Spin it all you want, but it really is that black and white.

How Soon Is Now

FTA69 wrote: »

Because cultures can coexist. The fact your neighbour might eat differently or worship differently isn't some massive threat to you like. Least of all in a country where 90% of people are the same ethnicity.

You just have a massive chip on your shoulder over people getting on with their lives.

Go eat a curry, or drink some sake or ride a black one.

Chill the f*ck out.

Its always the same bull**** replys going on like i dont experience other cultures lol i probley do it more then most on here. I just dont like certain people and how they act its that simple

desertcircus

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Its always the same bull**** replys going on like i dont experience other cultures lol i probley do it more then most on here. I just dont like certain people and how they act its that simple

You don't like certain races and nationalities. Which makes you...

The King of Moo

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I could explain more then a single aspect....

I had 3 paragraphs of stuff written here on what i think about eastern European African and Asian people.....

In fairness now u know as well as i do the second i start posting it on here weather im right or not after hours wont appear on my screen anymore....

Theres no nice way of saying what i have to say its plain as day u either like it or u dont and on here its not acceptable.

If you can back up your arguments with facts and evidence then you won't be banned, I'm quite sure.

If you can't, then you're obviously wrong. And racist.

Nodin

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Its always the same bull**** replys going on like i dont experience other cultures lol i probley do it more then most on here. I just dont like certain people and how they act its that simple

What people?

What do they do that you don't like?

FTA69

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Its always the same bull**** replys going on like i dont experience other cultures lol i probley do it more then most on here. I just dont like certain people and how they act its that simple

Are you mental like? Nobody is saying you have to like everyone you meet. Rather that it's unacceptable to immediately dislike someone because of their ethnicity or religion etc.

At the end of the day mate if you're going to be pretty blatant about disliking people solely because of nationality etc people are going to call you on your bigotry.

You don't get a f*cking get out of jail free card on that one I'm afraid. If you're going to be bigoted then just accept that's what your opinion makes you; and don't start moaning when people won't tolerate it

Reformed Character

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

I had 3 paragraphs of stuff written here on what i think about eastern European African and Asian people.....

In fairness now u know as well as i do the second i start posting it on here weather im right or not after hours wont appear on my screen anymore....

That would only happen if your three paragraphs were some kind of knuckledragging, racist, hate promoting crap.

Bloe Joggs

Nodin wrote: »

Then I'd suggest you haven't a bogs notion, tbh. The party has had long standing socialist international links for decades.

And we're zoning into the crux of the issue with Sinn Fein. They have practically no history of union involvement in this country. They were the political branch of the provisional IRA, a group of conservative thinking republicans (nationalists) who decided to go their own way in 1969 when the so called Official IRA were becoming too Marxist and Internationalist for their taste. I don't know a single Trotskyist who ever had anything to do with Sinn Fein yet they've still managed to tout themselves as socialists. It's quite unbelievable.

Nodin

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

And we're zoning into the crux of the issue with Sinn Fein. They have practically no history of union involvement in this country. They were the political branch of the provisional IRA, a group of conservative thinking republicans (nationalists) who decided to go their own way in 1969 when the so called Official IRA were becoming too Marxist and Internationalist for their taste. I don't know a single Trotskyist who ever had anything to do with Sinn Fein yet they've still managed to tout themselves as socialists. It's quite unbelievable.

I was unaware that the two possible choices are Marxism or "conservative thinking".

Bloe Joggs

Nodin wrote: »

I was unaware that the two possible choices are Marxism or "conservative thinking".

Face it my friend, you've been voting for the wrong party.

Nodin

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

Face it my friend, you've been voting for the wrong party.

No, I think not.

FTA69

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

And we're zoning into the crux of the issue with Sinn Fein. They have practically no history of union involvement in this country. They were the political branch of the provisional IRA, a group of conservative thinking republicans (nationalists) who decided to go their own way in 1969 when the so called Official IRA were becoming too Marxist and Internationalist for their taste. I don't know a single Trotskyist who ever had anything to do with Sinn Fein yet they've still managed to tout themselves as socialists. It's quite unbelievable.

This is a load of sh*te to be honest about it. While there were and are conservatives within the Provisionals there were also a lot of solidly left wing people and everyone else in between. Both Sinn Féin and the IRA had a fairly prominent socialist tendency and the movement in general aligned itself with left-wing and progressive movements around the world. Lastly, Trotsyists aren't the be-all and end-all determiners of who is and who isn't left wing.

Your notion of a group filled solely of rural mass-going reactionaries is a fallacy based on someone with little or no obvious experience of that group.

Grandeeod

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

Wow, that paragraph is so full of hateful nationalism. All these ideas are vague abstractions like...."Irishness"....in other words a collective identity doled out at birth that you're supposed to uphold in the name of the nation state. F**k that *S**t....I've got my own identity and I'm not going to be dictated to on how to conduct my life. My interests, tastes, hobbies, personality, character are all my own, I don't need anyone shoving a pre-packaged version of what I'm supposed to be down my throat. Nationalists never see the big picture, they think they're rebels standing up to some sort of imaginary global conspiracy when they are actually social conformists swallowing the version of themselves that they've been sold by their manipulators.

Do you start to spew accusations before actually reading what was said? What I said is not full of hate, nor would I consider myself a nationalist. I am speaking in relation to the tourism sector in Ireland and if you do not think there is a problem with the product due to the large numbers of foreign workers within it, then you are away with the fairies.

As far back as 1998, it was identified and reffered to by the then Minister for Tourism, Dr. Jim McDaid, at the Irish tourist industry confederation dinner.

Market research has confirmed that the uniqueness of the Irish holiday experience lay in the personal and warm interaction with the Irish people.

That same year a German tour operator featured in the Irish Times and complained about the service in Irish 3 star hotels and said its customers would not mind paying more if they could have a higher degree of service and that all important contact with Irish owners and staff.

This is widely spoken about in the industry and to my knowledge no formal study has been done to assess the impact, despite loads talking about it. Why? The racism card. The ITIC Chairwomen claimed in 2000 that it didn't matter. Tourists would rather be served by a person with broken english than a grumpy Irish one. Nobody wants to be served by anyone grumpy, but the assertion that it doesn't need to be an Irish person flies in the face of what industry workers are hearing from tour operators etc. The fear of being branded a racist for wanting to discuss it or commission studies, is overwhelming. From my time in Italy, I witnessed their policy of limiting the number of foreign workers in their tourism sector, in order to protect its unique product.

In conclusion, I couldn't give a rats arse how many foreign nationals work in the Irish tourism industry, but as approx. 32 percent of employees in the industry are foreign nationals, maybe its time to change the marketing strategy.

force eleven

AdolfHipster wrote: »

I for one welcome our insect overlords.

It said 'country' not 'colony'...

Bloe Joggs

FTA69 wrote: »

This is a load of sh*te to be honest about it. While there were and are conservatives within the Provisionals there were also a lot of solidly left wing people and everyone else in between. Both Sinn Féin and the IRA had a fairly prominent socialist tendency and the movement in general aligned itself with left-wing and progressive movements around the world. Lastly, Trotsyists aren't the be-all and end-all determiners of who is and who isn't left wing.

Your notion of a group filled solely of rural mass-going reactionaries is a fallacy based on someone with little or no obvious experience of that group.

Shinners never like hearing this stuff, because it's a sore point, the realisation that the party they hold dear isn't really all they thought it was. It's a simple fix, just find a party or independent candidate that actually mirrors your values and vote for them instead.