''Shocking'' racist message on n7

Bloe Joggs

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Well said Funk. That's the spirit.


Oh eh, I got evicted earlier today, so myself and the family will be kipping in yours for a few weeks if that's alright?

But sure you'll be grand with that won't ya. I mean, what with you not believing in walls and all.

You could always just state your position on that rather than playing verbal games to try catch someone out because you mightn't like what he says. He's referring to things on a macro geographic level, not someone's family shelter. There isn't even the remotest comparison.

Lapin

The world has gone soft.

Nodin

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

Wow, that paragraph is so full of hateful nationalism. All these ideas are vague abstractions like...."Irishness"....in other words a collective identity doled out at birth that you're supposed to uphold in the name of the nation state. F**k that *S**t....I've got my own identity and I'm not going to be dictated to on how to conduct my life. My interests, tastes, hobbies, personality, character are all my own, I don't need anyone shoving a pre-packaged version of what I'm supposed to be down my throat. Nationalists never see the big picture, they think they're rebels standing up to some sort of imaginary global conspiracy when they are actually social conformists swallowing the version of themselves that they've been sold by their manipulators.

Don't generalise, whatever you do.

AnonoBoy

I'm still waiting to hear who I'm allowed be racist about.

stannis

Shocking. Yeah... it's shocking that people have to use graffiti to ask a reasonable question because public discourse on immigration and its effects is so controlled by the media and political elite, who usually live as far as they can from areas with high numbers of "new Irish".

I'm still waiting to hear who I'm allowed be racist about.

They'll publish the 2014 list in a few days, I've heard. It needed to be updated because someone gave a Bhutanese immigrant the evil eye.

GardenMadness

Interesting discussion. I note that the brave defenders of pure Irish culture have actually adopted a foreign culture - that of the British adult comics aimed at the very hard of reading.

Honestly, can't you ape something a bit better?

In the interests of preserving Irish culture, I assume ye are beating down the doors to the Irish language classes?

old_aussie

Most likely an accurate prediction, and the Irish appear to not like the result!

AnonoBoy

stannis wrote: »

They'll publish the 2014 list in a few days, I've heard. It needed to be updated because someone gave a Bhutanese immigrant the evil eye.

No. Apparently there's an obvious group of people we're allowed be racist against on boards.ie

I'm just waiting to find out who.

I'm hoping for the Andorrans.

FTA69

stannis wrote: »

Shocking. Yeah... it's shocking that people have to use graffiti to ask a reasonable question because public discourse on immigration and its effects is so controlled by the media and political elite, who usually live as far as they can from areas with high numbers of "new Irish".

So stating that Jews control the world is asking a "reasonable question" is it? Jesus wept.

Caliden

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

You could always just state your position on that rather than playing verbal games to try catch someone out because you mightn't like what he says. He's referring to things on a macro geographic level, not someone's family shelter. There isn't even the remotest comparison.

Ah now don't be sly, sharing is caring.

stoneill

I like the new symbol - reminds me of RTE during the 70's.

mcko

look at parts of the UK now , schools are being radicalised ,young white girls are groomed by asian men, parts of East London are patrolled by muslims to stop public drinking and couples holding hands.
You can say this won't happen here, I hope not but hey the UK thought the same.

Herb Powell

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

So ten years or so down the line what will Ireland be like when big sections of our ''Irish'' population will come from foreign familys.

For example look at the size of the Indian population in England not saying its a bad thing but imagine Ireland down the line with say a Polish influence like that.

Piliger wrote: »

I personally find the casual, lazy and politically motivated abuse of the word “Racist” to be disgusting and revolting.
Throwing around the term and slapping on everyone and anyone who says stuff you don’t like just eviscerates it’s meaning, diminished the whole sickening meaning of being Racist, and destroys the very basis of the language.
Does anyone have a dictionary at hand ? Does language and it’s actual meaning matter to anyone in this whole fiasco ?
These signs are not about race, but are about xenophobia.
We CAN be xenophobic, bigoted and prejudiced and discriminatory and many other bad things. Everything doesn’t have to be Racist !
It’s time we paused … and considered what the right word is the next time we describe this kind of bigotry.
Slapping the WRONG words on this stuff just incites the discussion, totally mis-describes the issue and shows our own ignorance. It also diminishes the seriousness of real racism when it occurs.

dj jarvis wrote: »

are they not ?? well they are more prevalent in certain cultures , square that circle for me Einstein,
you know what i am getting at , your dream land Utopia of cultures will never happen, becasue some "cultures" want to wipe the other off the face of the earth

aspects of some cultures are repugnant to any civilized person and rather than be saved they should be eradicated , any any visitor who pushes these "values" in Ireland can funk right off back to where they came from,

FFS , look at north eastern England , some areas are de facto sharia areas , they have even ran off licences from the area becasue their "culture" demands it , woman not covered up getting abuse on the streets , then the Trojan horse schools scandal , but a white person cant say anything against this becasue apologists like you have labeled them all racist.

so would the Irish populace openly accept letting a city turn into a another cultures ghetto , with their own "culture" , somewhere the size of Limerick or waterford ?

they would in their arse

i am ALL for multiculturalism - it does a country good to have a difference of people, but asking the locals to bend to the guests culture to the determent of our people is a no no

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Seen a lot of people mentioning living in a world of tolerance..... And would do us no harm mixing our gene pool so to say......

Nah.

I'm not stupid I'm aware most of us probably somewhere down the family tree came from other regions but doesn't mean I'd like to continue that myself personally speaking.

The human race is ****ed up enough as it is. I mean to some of u amazing people in here I'm probably a perfect example :-).

Lastlight. wrote: »

People want to live in Ireland and not Romania or Poland. It ceases being Irish and that is the issue.

****ing hell. You people need to get off the internet, and out of the house. See the world how it ACTUALLY is, and stop reading into scaremongering propaganda bullshiit.

People are people everywhere, and NOWHERE I've ever been has not had it's own culture. Massive immigration to England, Germany and France, and yet they are all still they're own nations with their own cultures.

It really makes me despair that people buy into such hateful shiite. Get fuccking educated.

FTA69

mcko wrote: »

,young white girls are groomed by asian men,

Definitely a problem with some Asian men taking a terrible view of white girls but if you think paedophilia and sexual abuse is limited to Muslims you're codding yourself. We can see in the news today many stories about British icons being caught at the same thing.

parts of East London are patrolled by muslims to stop public drinking and couples holding hands.

I'm sorry but this is nonsense. These "Sharia patrols" consist of around 15 individuals in a borough of a million people. They went out a few nights, hassled some hipsters and prostitutes and were moved on by the cops. The places they were are some of the biggest drinking areas in the borough. The same crowd were down in Brick Lane last month hassling Muslim shopkeepers who sold booze and they were promptly told to f*ck off. They represent nobody and have zero impact on the locality.

I'm sat in the middle of East London about to go in and teach an English class to a group of 15 odd Muslim women. These are women who are eager to learn the language, get into work and contribute to their local community. Your portrayal of this community as some sort of sharia zone is simply inaccurate and wrong.

GLaDOS

Speaking of Immigrants in London, this always stood out for me during the riots in the UK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8693558/Immigrants-love-this-country-more-than-we-do.html

In Southall, west London, a crowd of turbaned Sikh men stood guard outside their temples last Tuesday night. Some held swords, others hockey sticks as they defied the looters to approach. None dared.

Over in Whitechapel, rioters were held back by 1,500 Muslim men – mostly Bengali, but also Somalis – emerging from the mosque after evening prayers. In Ealing, Monika Gnoinska, a Pole who came here 20 years ago, and her daughter Agneska, 27, decided that they couldn’t stand by and “watch these gangs wreck the country”. Armed with brooms and dust-pans, they joined their eastern European neighbours in a collective clean-up operation: “The street was full,” Monika said, “and everyone was saying, 'We work hard, and we’re grateful to Britain for what it’s done for us. We won’t allow any more nonsense.’ ” Turks in Dalston, Poles in Ealing, and Kurds in Haringey stood up to the thieving thugs at night, then spent the day helping repair the damage.

Across the country, ethnic communities have emerged as the heroes of the week’s riots – and, in the case of the three Muslim youths who were killed as they defended their neighbourhood in Birmingham, its martyrs. They have shown themselves to be not just as law-abiding as the Anglo-Saxons, but far more inspiring.

For many Britons, who have long looked down on the newcomers, or mocked them for their Borat values, this will come as a surprise – probably an uncomfortable one. The burgeoning immigrant community has been caricatured as anti-gay, anti-women, and dangerously intolerant. The sight of Polish Catholics, Punjabi Sikhs or Muslim Turks has filled liberal hearts with fears of social polarisation, and of religion intruding into the public square. Traditionalists suspect that the Muslim influx, in particular, threatens to destroy the already fragile hold of our Judaeo-Christian traditions: George Carey, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, has warned the Government against taking in groups who fail to “understand our Christian heritage”.

The response to the riots should humble these sceptics. As a cluster of youths stood guard outside the mosque in Whitechapel, Josie Ensor, a Daily Telegraph reporter, asked if they had been moved to defend their own people. They shook their head: they wanted to protect their country, not just their community.

PopePalpatine

Nodin wrote: »

Don't generalise, whatever you do.

I think he's referring more to BNP-type nationalists rather than Sinn Féin-type ones.

How Soon Is Now

Herb Powell wrote: »

****ing hell. You people need to get off the internet, and out of the house. See the world how it ACTUALLY is, and stop reading into scaremongering propaganda bullshiit.

People are people everywhere, and NOWHERE I've ever been has not had it's own culture. Massive immigration to England, Germany and France, and yet they are all still they're own nations with their own cultures.

It really makes me despair that people buy into such hateful shiite. Get fuccking educated.

Why the **** does it always have to come back to who's "educated". That's the easiest way of claiming your above something without having to fight it.

For me this is about me not wanting certain cultures blended into mine.
The way I grew up the Ireland I know i don't want that mixed in with African Asian or to a less extent eastern European ways.

When I said there where people I'd rather never came to Ireland I said it because of how they live act and treat the country.

The Irish people are fairly mixed group at this stage we have moved forward and it's a good thing.

Now I typed up a big bit on what I honestly think of the different groups we have living here now I'd love to post it because I'd say more would agree with it then u think. Most will just hide behind what's safe to say unfortunately though.

Obviously I can't post it because I'll be banned and from what I've already seen and experienced that would be playing into some people s hands perfectly.

Some people need to understand we don't live in this ideal happy everyone is equal world and we never will. The only thing that makes us the same is we all have flesh and bones.

When you were born most people (if not all) didn't have mobile phones now everyone does. Does that changing of culture worry you as much?

Nodin

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Why the **** does it always have to come back to who's "educated". That's the easiest way of claiming your above something without having to fight it.

For me this is about me not wanting certain cultures blended into mine.
The way I grew up the Ireland I know i don't want that mixed in with African Asian or to a less extent eastern European ways.

When I said there where people I'd rather never came to Ireland I said it because of how they live act and treat the country.

The Irish people are fairly mixed group at this stage we have moved forward and it's a good thing.

Now I typed up a big bit on what I honestly think of the different groups we have living here now I'd love to post it because I'd say more would agree with it then u think. Most will just hide behind what's safe to say unfortunately though.

Obviously I can't post it because I'll be banned and from what I've already seen and experienced that would be playing into some people s hands perfectly.
..............

So essentially you're saying you're a racist and are being persecuted for it.

Bloe Joggs

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I think he's referring more to BNP-type nationalists rather than Sinn Féin-type ones.

That's true, it is what I meant but actually I've found that many of the Sinn Fein ones come under the same umbrella in practice. I've always made a distinction between nationalism and republicanism and I've found that the same mentality we're talking about can exist among people who call themselves republicans but are actually nationalists. The 1969 split changed everything but that's another can of worms I don't want to spill into this already heated discussion.

kunst nugget

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Some people need to understand we don't live in this ideal happy everyone is equal world and we never will. The only thing that makes us the same is we all have flesh and bones.

So the best way to get through life is to be fearful and put down other people different to you? Great philosophy there.

What part of our Irishness will be taken from us by having immigrants in this country? It's been asked by many people here and not one person that has said we'd lose our Irishness has given any sort of coherent answer.

Despite Cameron's promise to reduce immigration in the UK, the The Office for Budget Responsibility in Great Britain says that GB needs a steady flow of migrant workers because they are more likely to work, pay taxes and not be a drain on resources.

Nodin

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

That's true, it is what I meant but actually I've found that many of the Sinn Fein ones come under the same umbrella in practice. I've always made a distinction between nationalism and republicanism and I've found that the same mentality we're talking about can exist among people who call themselves republicans but are actually nationalists. The 1969 split changed everything but that's another can of worms I don't want to spill into this already heated discussion.

It's against party policy. Diametrically opposed to party policy in fact.

How Soon Is Now

kunst nugget wrote: »

So the best way to get through life is to be fearful and put down other people different to you? Great philosophy there.

What part of our Irishness will be taken from us by having immigrants in this country? It's been asked by many people here and not one person that has said we'd lose our Irishness has given any sort of coherent answer.

Despite Cameron's promise to reduce immigration in the UK, the The Office for Budget Responsibility in Great Britain says that GB needs a steady flow of migrant workers because they are more likely to work, pay taxes and not be a drain on resources.

No i dont fear these people I just don't want to mix with them and clearly they don't want to mix with us there here to make money and leave the **** they left behind them. Have a look at African and Asian culture and tell me based on what u have seen of them in Ireland alone u want mixed into ours?

Bloe Joggs

Nodin wrote: »

It's against party policy. Diametrically opposed to party policy in fact.

That may well be true but try scratching below the surface with the voters and you'll see a different picture. Sinn Fein have always straddled the fence between the left and right, wary of losing their core catholic socially conservative electorate, especially in the North. When cornered on issues like Europe or abortion they may have official policies but again don't like the idea of isolating those core voters so they don't like to talk about those issues too much.

FTA69

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

No i dont fear these people I just don't want to mix with them and clearly they don't want to mix with us there here to make money and leave the **** they left behind them. Have a look at African and Asian culture and tell me based on what u have seen of them in Ireland alone u want mixed into ours?

One of my Bengali students brought me in a curry today. It's delicious. After class we had a cup of tea and a chat. She's hoping to improve her English and get a job in childcare.

Is she the type of person you don't like? I'm a bit confused like.

Nodin

Bloe Joggs wrote: »

That may well be true but try scratching below the surface with the voters and you'll see a different picture. Sinn Fein have always straddled the fence between the left and right, wary of losing their core catholic socially conservative electorate, especially in the North. When cornered on issues like Europe or abortion they may have official policies but again don't like the idea of isolating those core voters so they don't like to talk about those issues too much.

.....I am a voter. They've talked quite a bit about gay marriage over the last decade, and have asked for a more liberal abortion regime down here, along with an amnesty for illegals in the state. They're running a man originally from the Congo in Dublin for a cc seat. I'd suggest you are deeply mistaken.

Nodin

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

No i dont fear these people I just don't want to mix with them and clearly they don't want to mix with us there here to make money and leave the **** they left behind them. Have a look at African and Asian culture and tell me based on what u have seen of them in Ireland alone u want mixed into ours?

I've seen nothing of them that strikes me as particularily notable. What are you referring to?

How Soon Is Now

FTA69 wrote: »

One of my Bengali students brought me in a curry today. It's delicious. After class we had a cup of tea and a chat. She's hoping to improve her English and get a job in childcare.

Is she the type of person you don't like? I'm a bit confused like.

I've met some nice enough Asian people but funny enough they where all from the other side India Pakistan..... Odd that.....

Bloe Joggs

Nodin wrote: »

.....I am a voter. They've talked quite a bit about gay marriage over the last decade, and have asked for a more liberal abortion regime down here, along with an amnesty for illegals in the state. They're running a man originally from the Congo in Dublin for a cc seat. I'd suggest you are deeply mistaken.

Yes, You're one voter, among many and I would suggest that many of your fellow voters don't actually share many of the same views, that's been my experience with Sinn Fein voters for longer than I can remember. The core philosophy of that party is cultural nationalism, not socialism or internationalism.

kunst nugget

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

No i dont fear these people I just don't want to mix with them and clearly they don't want to mix with us there here to make money and leave the **** they left behind them. Have a look at African and Asian culture and tell me based on what u have seen of them in Ireland alone u want mixed into ours?

Like the families that live in my estate and whose kids play with my kids everyday? I haven't a problem with them at all - we all keep an eye out on our kids when they're playing outside and take turns walking each other's kids to and from school.

I'm sure some of them are probably arseholes but I pretty sure there's going to be around the same percentage of them being arseholes as my Irish neighbours. I don't want my Irish neighbours kicked out of the country because they could be arseholes, why should I want my other neighbours kicked out?