What do you think of the justice system?

Lapin

Hotale.com wrote: »

This could be really unpopular but...


I really don't see why people are obsessed with giving people longer sentences for everything, in my opinion prisoners should be assessed on their likelihood to reoffend as opposed to trying to give them a "punishment" which might end up teaching them nothing at great expense. I understand for the most heinous of crimes that a 15 year imprisonment should be the minimum, but for something where the likelihood of reoffending is close to nil (an accidental manslaughter for example, where the person had no previous criminal record) I see no point in locking people up, therapy or such would be a better option imo.

Please don't hurt me.

How would therapy help in the case of accidental manslaughter ?

hfallada

Our justice system is not the issue. Our education system is the issue. Most criminals in Ireland never even finished primary school. They have pretty much a zero chance of getting a 9-5 job, when they leave prison due to no education. Meaning they get involved in crime again and its a constant circle. Even with long sentences criminals, end up committing crimes again. The circle of crime isnt broken.

The irish times interviewed families of crimes. There were plenty of serious criminals with brothers and sisters, who were doctors, solicitors and teachers. Nearly of believed the failure of the education system was to blame for their siblings criminal background. Our prison population is the highest ever. But our crime levels are still rising. What does that tell you? Putting someone away for a few years doesnt solve the issue

2Mad2BeMad

The Justice system in Ireland is brilliant!!!!!.......If your a criminal

dublinman1990

The Justice system is a danger to our society, there is no question about it.

I believe the lack of real punishment from the courts and in legislation from our national parliament is the key in providing that danger.

It should be reformed to a great deal to give us at least some hope. And nothing should change that.

ScumLord

pO1Neil wrote: »

So what I am suppose to do with all these little red flags I bought?

Get some blue and white paint and head down to your local anti abortion rally.

hfallada wrote: »

Our justice system is not the issue. Our education system is the issue. Most criminals in Ireland never even finished primary school. They have pretty much a zero chance of getting a 9-5 job, when they leave prison due to no education.

It's not as simple as that, there are plenty of smart, well educated, children of rich parents that end up dealing drugs and ranking pretty highly up. The grunts that deal on the street are only dealing to get their fix, it doesn't mean there aren't smart people behind the scenes. It's not stupid to get into drug dealing, it's easy money while it lasts and the punishments aren't all that great of a deterrent, especially for well to do families that can get off with a slap on the wrist.

ryan101

Hotale.com wrote: »

This could be really unpopular but...


I really don't see why people are obsessed with giving people longer sentences for everything, in my opinion prisoners should be assessed on their likelihood to reoffend as opposed to trying to give them a "punishment" which might end up teaching them nothing at great expense. I understand for the most heinous of crimes that a 15 year imprisonment should be the minimum, but for something where the likelihood of reoffending is close to nil (an accidental manslaughter for example, where the person had no previous criminal record) I see no point in locking people up, therapy or such would be a better option imo.

Please don't hurt me.

There is no deterrent not to hurt you or a family member.
Will you be advocating short / no sentences for those who will be at some stage in your life, committing a serious crimes against you or your family ?

At present there is no real deterrent to committing crime any more. I know people in our area with 100 plus convictions and a few months prison time, they consider it a health farm / holiday.

Kimbot

Should be like america, 3 strikes and your out.

caustic 1

caustic 1 wrote: »

I can't understand how repeat offenders keep getting off and not locked up. That to me is the joke. Surely there are rare cases where someone lashes out and hits another person resulting in their death, people who have never stepped out of line before. But because of their actions rightly or wrongly someone died and I know if it were my child I would want justice, and if it were them who committed the crime they would have to accept their punishment even though it would break my heart. But every week I hear cases of yobs who have a steady stream of convictions and get off every single time. That is the joke.

Where I live a man tied plastic bottles to his "friend" but him on a pallet and set it on fire, this resulted in the man having to get his leg amputated... Ultimately the victims life spiralled out of control with alcohol and drugs and he passed away. The man who carried out the assault spent 3 years in prison, after he left prison he went drinkin one day and stabbed a young man to death ...

if he hadn't been given such a lenient sentence the first time the young man who was stabbed would still be alive

Adamantium

I don't think much of it at the moment, but I can't wait until the landmark case of Batman Vs Superman in 2016.

I hope that Bruce Wayne outs that cuntin journalist Clark Kent, for who he really is.

Holsten

jonny24ie wrote: »

Should be like america, 3 strikes and your out.

Is this just actual opinion or just some flippant comment? I can never really tell.

If you've done any bit of reading at all you'd be aware of just how messed up the American justice system is. They have the highest rate of incarceration in the world along with some of the highest rates of recidivism. A complete and utter failure.

The primary focus of any justice system should be to reduce crime. Building more prisons to house more people for longer periods will not reduce crime. Harsher sentencing does not reduce crime. Corporal/capital punishments do not reduce crime.

The irish justice system is a mess but could be much worse.

suicide_circus

knird evol wrote: »

The advantage of prison is not that it punishes but that it decirculates career criminals. Takes them out of play.
We have less than 4000 prison spaces and we need over 10000.
They say 'but oh it costs ___ euro per space per year'
It costs far more in homes broken into, cars, insurance industry/premiums, free legal aid, judges, guards, social cost.

The guy that broke into your house last night should have been in jail. Not in an ideal sort of way but quite literally. He will have been convicted in a court room some time in the previous two or three years and firstly the judge gave him to light a sentence. Secondly the prison governor let him out. Bizarely the governor/prison service can just let prisoners out whenever they want. They put fancy names on it like 'early release' and 'temporary release' but they're basically opening the door and out. There isn't the room to hold them.

In this country all the criminals are walking around. Who should be in a cell. Forget punishment and reform. Focus on Decirculation. When they're in cells they won't be in your house.

Have to agree with this.

Prison should seek to reform but also to improve public safety by simply removing those likely to reoffend from normal society. You have proven yourself unable to behave in a reasonable manner? Off to prison with you for a few years and let others continue their peaceful existence without the threat of YOUR shenanigans.

dxhound2005

hfallada wrote: »

Our justice system is not the issue. Our education system is the issue. Most criminals in Ireland never even finished primary school. They have pretty much a zero chance of getting a 9-5 job, when they leave prison due to no education. Meaning they get involved in crime again and its a constant circle. Even with long sentences criminals, end up committing crimes again. The circle of crime isnt broken.

The irish times interviewed families of crimes. There were plenty of serious criminals with brothers and sisters, who were doctors, solicitors and teachers. Nearly of believed the failure of the education system was to blame for their siblings criminal background. Our prison population is the highest ever. But our crime levels are still rising. What does that tell you? Putting someone away for a few years doesnt solve the issue

What is it supposed to tell me? The prison population is hardly going to be lower when the general population of the country is increasing all the time. Over one million extra people in the country now compared to twenty years ago.

Our crime levels are still rising?? Where did you get that information?

Pedro K

Said it before, I'll say it again. Concurrent sentencing is a virus. It incentivises crime. You may as well commit as many as you can before you get put away, considering all your sentences will run side by side.