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Fianna Fáil condemns anti-Semitic remark allegedly made by canvasser

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  • #2
    ColeTrain
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    Shatter is Jewish? News to me


  • #3
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    delthedriver wrote: »
    http://www.thejournal.ie/fianna-fail-canvasser-south-dublin-anti-semitic-1455792-May2014/






    Has former Minister Alan Shatter been a victim of a sinister crime?


    Right - arsehole makes stupid Jew bashing remark...that much I follow. How do we get from there to "Alan Shatter been a victim of a sinister crime".


  • #4
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #5
    fullaljackeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭fullaljackeen


    Religeous people get abused all the time. What makes this incident special?


  • #6
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    ColeTrain wrote: »
    Shatter is Jewish? News to me

    Where were you when Shatter refused to attend the Garda conference Easter Weekend


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  • #7
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    delthedriver wrote: »

    Has former Minister Alan Shatter been a victim of a sinister crime?

    I'd be curious as to what that sinister crime would be. That none of the allegations in the report were true, but that 'they' falsified it because Shatter is Jewish?


  • #8
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,796 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Don't they understand it is only acceptable to be anti-Catholic?


  • #9
    fullaljackeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭fullaljackeen


    Manach wrote: »
    Don't they understand it is only acceptable to be anti-Catholic?

    Exactly.


  • #10
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Nodin wrote: »
    Right - arsehole makes stupid Jew bashing remark...that much I follow. How do we get from there to "Alan Shatter been a victim of a sinister crime".


    Are you suggesting Jew bashing is acceptable behaviour?



    http://www.thejournal.ie/alan-shatter-nazi-picture-1394805-Apr2014/


    Please see above link outlining Anti- semetic material sent to Mr. Shatter's home.


    Unacceptable behaviour imho.


  • #11
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,998 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Manach wrote: »
    Don't they understand it is only acceptable to be anti-Catholic?

    Its not acceptable to be anti-Catholic. It is acceptable to be against Church control of social, health and education policies in an allegedly modern republic. Catholics can of course observe whatever personal morality they feel appropriate - within reason. All anyone asks is that they extend the same courtesy to everyone else. That this seems oppressive to a certain type of Catholic tells you all you need to know.


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  • #12
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    Being jewish isn't just about your religion - it's also a race/ethnicity, so the "Plenty of people who are religious get grief for it" isn't relevant.
    delthedriver wrote: »
    Are you suggesting Jew bashing is acceptable behaviour?
    He definitely didn't as far as I can see. He just asked what was the sinister crime you were suggesting.


  • #13
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,783 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Are you suggesting Jew bashing is acceptable behaviour?.

    Are you a farmer, or somebody with a ready supply of straw?


  • #14
    fullaljackeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭fullaljackeen


    Magaggie wrote: »
    Being jewish isn't just about your religion - it's also a race/ethnicity, so the "Plenty of people who are religious get grief for it" isn't relevant.
    .

    This is, of course, rubbish.


  • #15
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    osarusan wrote: »
    Are you a farmer, or somebody with a ready supply of straw?





    Yes I own a farm, what has that got to do with Criminal behaviour?


  • #16
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    fullaljackeen wrote: »
    This is, of course, rubbish.
    I'd love if you could elaborate. It's very easy just to throw out "This is rubbish" and say nothing further.

    There are people who don't observe Jewish traditions but are still Jewish.


  • #17
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Yes I own a farm, what has that got to do with Criminal behaviour?
    They were just referring to the way you asked, for no reason, "Are you suggesting Jew bashing is an acceptable behaviour?"
    That line of arguing is called a strawman, hence the reference to straw.


  • #18
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Are you suggesting Jew bashing is acceptable behaviour?.


    You can crawl down that rabbit hole on your own.
    delthedriver wrote: »
    http://www.thejournal.ie/alan-shatter-nazi-picture-1394805-Apr2014/


    Please see above link outlining Anti- semetic material sent to Mr. Shatter's home.


    Unacceptable behaviour imho.

    Shocking as this may be to you, there is probably more than one anti-Semite in the country.


  • #19
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Manach wrote: »
    Don't they understand it is only acceptable to be anti-Catholic?

    I think it's mandatory at this stage.


  • #20
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Nodin wrote: »
    You can crawl down that rabbit hole on your own.



    Shocking as this may be to you, there is probably more than one anti-Semite in the country.



    "arsehole makes stupid Jew bashing remark" your own response Noidin!


  • #21
    fullaljackeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭fullaljackeen


    Magaggie wrote: »
    I'd love if you could elaborate. It's very easy just to throw out "This is rubbish" and say nothing further.

    There are people who don't observe Jewish traditions but are still Jewish.

    And?

    The Catholics, Protestants and Satanists who don't observe their religion but identify themselves within their secular circle don't count.

    Tell me again how you're such an expert on these things.....


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  • #22
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fullaljackeen wrote: »
    And?

    The Catholics, Protestants and Satanists who don't observe their religion but identify themselves within their secular circle don't count.

    Tell me again how you're such an expert on these things.....


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews


  • #23
    delthedriver
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    Magaggie wrote: »
    They were just referring to the way you asked, for no reason, "Are you suggesting Jew bashing is an acceptable behaviour?"
    That line of arguing is called a strawman, hence the reference to straw.



    Poster , Noidin used the words, "Jew bashing". One can only sense fro this that the poster has no issue with what happened, hence my response.


    I was rather surprised because Noidin is a master at choosing words carefully. Note this is a compliment Noidin


  • #24
    fullaljackeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭fullaljackeen


    Nodin wrote: »
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews[/URL]

    Mind reading doesn't work.so well across the internet. Care to expand on this random link, what relevance it has to the conversation etc?


  • #25
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,783 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    delthedriver wrote: »
    Poster , Noidin used the words, "Jew bashing". One can only sense fro this that the poster has no issue with what happened, hence my response.
    Are you a farmer, or somebody with a ready supply of straw?


  • #26
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    Calling anti-semitism jew-bashing = deeming it acceptable. 'K.
    fullaljackeen wrote: »
    And?

    The Catholics, Protestants and Satanists who don't observe their religion but identify themselves within their secular circle don't count.

    Tell me again how you're such an expert on these things.....
    Tell you "again" how I'm such an expert on these things? But I didn't say I was such an expert on these things at all. :confused:
    Quite the amount of (quite lunatic) ad hominem on this thread.

    Judaism is passed down the genetic (matrilineal) line - is christianity?


  • #27
    Nodin
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    fullaljackeen wrote: »
    Mind reading doesn't work.so well across the internet. Care to expand on this random link, what relevance it has to the conversation etc?

    Link to article about Jews in a thread about anti-Semitism is random? hardly.

    Did you read it?


  • #28
    fullaljackeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭fullaljackeen


    Magaggie wrote: »
    Calling anti-semitism jew-bashing = deeming it acceptable. 'K.

    Tell you "again" how I'm such an expert on these things? But I didn't say I was such an expert on these things at all. :confused:
    Quite the amount of (quite lunatic) ad hominem on this thread.

    Judaism is passed down the genetic (matrilineal) line - is christianity?

    Mostly. Same as most religions. Your point is?


  • #29
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    fullaljackeen wrote: »
    Mostly. Same as most religions. Your point is?
    Christianity is passed down the genetic line? No it's not. You have to be baptised. You're getting very angry and upset over some internet posts - are you ok?


  • #30
    fullaljackeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭fullaljackeen


    Nodin wrote: »
    Link to article about Jews in a thread about anti-Semitism is random? hardly.

    Did you read it?

    Did I read a wiki article about a particular religious group? Is this question going anywhere or do you generally try make no sense during these conversations?


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  • #31
    fullaljackeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭fullaljackeen


    Magaggie wrote: »
    Christianity is passed down the genetic line? No it's not. You have to be baptised. You're getting very angry and upset over some internet posts - are you ok?

    I'm getting what? Is this more of this internet mind reading?

    You're funny.


  • #32
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    fullaljackeen wrote: »
    I'm getting what? Is this more of this internet mind reading?
    No, just the hostility of your posts - in the face of not much provocation (apart from mere disagreement).


  • #33
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fullaljackeen wrote: »
    Did I read a wiki article about a particular religious group? Is this question going anywhere or do you generally try make no sense during these conversations?

    This section is relevant

    "Judaism shares some of the characteristics of a nation, an ethnicity,[15] a religion, and a culture, making the definition of who is a Jew vary slightly depending on whether a religious or national approach to identity is used.[53][54] Generally, in modern secular usage Jews include three groups: people who were born to a Jewish family regardless of whether or not they follow the religion, those who have some Jewish ancestral background or lineage (sometimes including those who do not have strictly matrilineal descent), and people without any Jewish ancestral background or lineage who have formally converted to Judaism and therefore are followers of the religion."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews#Who_is_a_Jew.3F


  • #34
    fullaljackeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭fullaljackeen


    Magaggie wrote: »
    No, just the hostility of your posts.

    Tell you what. I'll leave you to it. Talking to a paranoid agitator isn't what Saturday night is for.


  • #35
    fullaljackeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭fullaljackeen


    Nodin wrote: »
    This section is relevann.wikipedia.

    Posting an opinion piece on an openly editable webpage is the best way to influence opinion. Of course, you win. Noidin is de best. Gold star for effort. Well done.


  • #36
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fullaljackeen wrote: »
    Posting an opinion piece on an openly editable webpage is the best way to influence opinion. Of course, you win. Noidin is de best. Gold star for effort. Well done.


    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jew


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  • #37
    fullaljackeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭fullaljackeen


    [QUOTE=Nodin;90333852merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jew[/URL][/QUOTE]


    wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_group_of_people_that_share_the_same_ancestors_or_culture_or_language_or_religion_or_all_of_them_or_some_of_them


  • #38
    Banjoxed
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    fullaljackeen wrote: »
    Religeous people get abused all the time. What makes this incident special?

    Kindly point out where six million Christians got exterminated for their religious identity within living memory, ta


  • #39
    Tail Docker
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    Feckin mild tbh. I was expecting something a lot more raw. If that's anti-semitic, then the standards have been lowered.


  • #40
    dirtyden
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    Banjoxed wrote: »
    Kindly point out where six million Christians got exterminated for their religious identity within living memory, ta

    The comments in the journal article although obviously wrong were pretty mild, did you read it? I don't see what you reference to the holocaust is about though. Does it make the comments more wrong? If a German was insulted about their race would that be less wrong?


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