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FG councillor hit in face while out telling lies to try get elected

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  • #122
    JerCotter7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭JerCotter7


    One called to the front door today. I just didn't bother answering. They stayed there over 5 minutes though. I found that a bit odd.


  • #123
    The Th!ng
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭The Th!ng


    Dyin's too good for 'em.


  • #124
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    The Th!ng wrote: »
    Dyin's too good for 'em.

    Why?


  • #125
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,387 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I find it hard to believe this.I wonder if the story is spoof.
    I haven't seen a FG person canvassing in my area.
    They are paying young lads to deliver their literature through the letterboxes.


  • #126
    Adamantium
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium


    Adamantium wrote: »
    So why they don't eh... unsign it. They have the power apparently, the overwhelming majority

    Here's the thing and I do't like to quote my own post; They have used the "overwhelming majority and mandate from the people ad nauseum " tagline to bulldoze everything they want and fobb off anybody who disagrees with them (for Enda Kenny to never give interviews), but they never use that excuse when it comes to things that we can't do OR maybe more honestly won't do, frightened to do and must do.

    And if any government (who love power btw) refuses to use its majority to make the country a better place to live and do the obvious things (especially one with an overwhelming majority), then changes will never in any subsequent adminstration and that's a bleak thought.

    The Franklin D Roosvelot scthick of a conservative man making the hard decisions is nauseating.

    You're not nearly the man he was Enda. Not even there


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  • #127
    Fudge You
    Closed Accounts Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Fudge You


    JerCotter7 wrote: »
    One called to the front door today. I just didn't bother answering. They stayed there over 5 minutes though. I found that a bit odd.

    Youre not the first person I heard saying that.
    Why would they wait more than 20seconds????

    Next time, when they call, answer the door and use violence, that will teach em, teach em all mmmmmmhahahahahhahahahaha!


  • #128
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe this.I wonder if the story is spoof.
    I haven't seen a FG person canvassing in my area.
    WEare paying young lads to deliver their literature through the letterboxes.



    Fixed that for you.


  • #129
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Is this your 1st time encountering mister renegademaster? His threads are comedy gold.

    Not at all. But I'm tired of his waffle and just once thought he might actually stand up and man up enough to answer a straight question.

    Comedy gold? More sad than funny in my mind.


  • #130
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Hootanany wrote: »
    Fixed that for you.

    That makes no sense whatsoever. We are not paying for canvassing. They are. It is not publicly funded.
    Explain please.


  • #131
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    How much does the party get out of the Pot of course its funded


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  • #132
    fleet_admiral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭fleet_admiral


    as much as people may despise politicians violence is never the answer. I had one knock the other day, i just said 'fianna fail, youve got to be joking' and he left


  • #133
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Hootanany wrote: »
    How much does the party get out of the Pot of course its funded

    Which "pot" is it you're talking about?


  • #134
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Hootanany wrote: »
    How much does the party get out of the Pot of course its funded

    Have you any idea how local council candidates fund their campaigns? Obviously not!
    More bluster!


  • #135
    Hitchens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Well I guess he sorta did with Shatter. :)
    of course, ...............he handled that situation brilliantly throughout :rolleyes:


  • #136
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Pat Rabbite admits they are taking a lot of flak on the doorsteps.

    He's very fearful the various charges and taxes will bring down the Govt before 2016.

    Also very very critical of the USC. electioneering Pat. Too little too late.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/pat-rabbitte-high-taxes-will-bring-coalition-down-before-full-term-30263330.html


  • #137
    olliesgirl55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭olliesgirl55


    I do not condone violence in any way shape or form. But if a FG or Labour candidate came to my door they would get a fair amount of abuse from me but I wouldn't hit them.
    The whole way they are going about water charges is wrong. Also the household charge and property tax and how it was implemented was ridiculous. I spent about 2 hours and 3 phone calls to help my parents fix a simple issue with theirs. Its like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.
    Also they should be increasing benefits to old age pensioners not decreasing them. I got mad when they took away the phone benefit from the household benefits package because a lot of old age pensioners rely on the phone.
    Rant over:mad:


  • #138
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    olliesgirl55 wrote: »
    I do not condone violence in any way shape or form. But if a FG or Labour candidate came to my door they would get a fair amount of abuse from me but I wouldn't hit them.


    From the looks of this story Olliesgirl, it might be that you should be protecting yourself from potential violence from FG canvassers...


  • #139
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    flutered wrote: »
    are not posters not allowed to post whatever they wish within reason, what about the law of judge the post not the poster

    apparently not when it goes against the party line of spin and BS!!
    bumper234 wrote: »
    They signed the country up.to the bank guarantee, not FG, not Sinn fein, not the socialist party.....Fianna Fail.
    fullaljackeen wrote: »
    FF had us in for €86bn. FG have us in for €177bn. Also, as has been pointed out a billion times over. "Not one more cent........"

    and it was fine gael and labour that shunned the chance to renage on the bailout by changing illegal bonds to more legal methods of repayment and kicked the can so far down the road it's our chilrens children that are expected to pay for it all!!
    Jaylah CoolS Aftershave wrote: »
    Baloney! What a cop out! What lie - even one - did this particular person tell? Just one that you personally attribute to him specifically. All this internet warrior bull and then you either have no idea that he lied about anything or haven't the moral strength to commit yourself publicly to any statement that might come back and bite you.
    Waffle of the highest order.

    how could i commit myself publically to a statement when i wasn't even there. nobody could possibly expect me to be able to say anything is fact when it comes to this whole incident but everyone can make their mind up after reading through the thread as it now seems more likely the young lad was assaulted by the canvasser.


  • #140
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,892 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    renegademaster wrote: »
    apparently not when it goes against the party line of spin and BS!!





    and it was fine gael and labour that shunned the chance to renage on the bailout by changing illegal bonds to more legal methods of repayment and kicked the can so far down the road it's our chilrens children that are expected to pay for it all!!



    how could i commit myself publically to a statement when i wasn't even there. nobody could possibly expect me to be able to say anything is fact when it comes to this whole incident but everyone can make their mind up after reading through the thread as it now seems more likely the young lad was assaulted by the canvasser.

    Unless someone on the thread was present at the incident reading through the thread cannot possibly show that its seems more likely that the "young lad" was assaulted. You are the one that said the councillor was trying to get elected, which he isn't and that he was lying, which you have failed to prove.


  • #141
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    olliesgirl55 wrote: »
    I do not condone violence in any way shape or form. But if a FG or Labour candidate came to my door they would get a fair amount of abuse from me but I wouldn't hit them.
    The whole way they are going about water charges is wrong. Also the household charge and property tax and how it was implemented was ridiculous. I spent about 2 hours and 3 phone calls to help my parents fix a simple issue with theirs. Its like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.
    Also they should be increasing benefits to old age pensioners not decreasing them. I got mad when they took away the phone benefit from the household benefits package because a lot of old age pensioners rely on the phone.
    Rant over:mad:
    Why would you abuse them?

    Why not give them your solutions for balancing the books? Wouldn't that be far more productive?

    We run a monthly deficit of one billion, I'm sure you have ingenious ideas to plug that gap, do you?

    Pensioners gave gotten off extremely light as gave most welfare recipients as usual. Paying 52% marginal tax rate, it is the worker who has arguably suffered the most, and I blame labour for that.

    But I'll put up with that until we can start to pay our way again. After water charges the rest of the gap has to be made up with either a general uptake in the economy or if that doesn't occur, then welfare supports and services must be looked at.


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  • #142
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    renegademaster wrote: »

    and it was fine gael and labour that shunned the chance to renage on the bailout by changing illegal bonds to more legal methods of repayment and kicked the can so far down the road it's our chilrens children that are expected to pay for it all!!

    Yeah sure, because that would have solved all of the countries problems, how would you have done this? Explain in detail how you would have reneged on the bonds and sorted this country out in less than 3 years. What measures would you have implemented so that we would be in a better position than we are now?
    how could i commit myself publically to a statement when i wasn't even there. nobody could possibly expect me to be able to say anything is fact when it comes to this whole incident but everyone can make their mind up after reading through the thread as it now seems more likely the young lad was assaulted by the canvasser.

    Yet you blatantly state as fact in the thread title that the gentleman in question was "telling lies while trying to get elected" ! Are you saying now that he wasn't lying and the thread title is just another piece of sensationalist ****e that you are well known for?


  • #143
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    Hitchens wrote: »
    Enda said he'd get rid of the quangos, he said he'd give a regular appraisal of his ministers..................did he?

    He did appraise his ministers, they are doing great, in fact he told us regularly that Minister Shatter was doing a great job, in fact he was able to appraise Minister Shatter on a weekly basis ;)


  • #144
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Unless someone on the thread was present at the incident reading through the thread cannot possibly show that its seems more likely that the "young lad" was assaulted. You are the one that said the councillor was trying to get elected, which he isn't and that he was lying, which you have failed to prove.


    Mr Deegans own words were reported as “I tried to restrain him up against the car,” Deegan said, adding that he sustained the superficial cuts to his face in the ensuing scuffle.

    That sounds to me like he got scratched while laying his hands upon the irate member of the public. (the man had knocked election material out of his hand, i dont know if thats a justification for violence, i'm sure a judge will decide.) i think i would walk away from such a situation rather than "restraining" someone.

    It's shocking behaviour from whoever layed the first hands.


  • #145
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,882 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    fullaljackeen wrote: »
    Ahem.....

    Take a look at the national debt. Tell me again how Fianna Fail lost us hundreds of billions in the past couple of years.

    oh was it Fine Gaels fault that the banks failed and the IMF were called to bail us out and the implementer of that bank guarantee disaster, the cause of most of the pain today - BTW are the economic figures and outlook not better today than when Cowen left office ?

    Fine Gael may not be great , but they are way better than that perennially corrupt party - Fianna Fail.


  • #146
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,387 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    One thing I have learned from this Government is that election promises mean absolutely nothing. Lies are told without a blink of an eye and then accepted by many posters who support the same Govt parties.

    "Sure isn't that what you tend to do during an election process" - Pat Rabbitte.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAS0c5AkiNg


  • #147
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,570 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    He represents a party (Fine Gael) who told lies (quiet a few, in fact too many to mention) so as they could give themselves a chance to be elected ( and claim ministerial pensions, which they so richly deserved for all their years of perseverance in waiting in the wings to be elected, especially as the alternative was to cancel their leave of absence from their teaching jobs that was giving them a lesser pension)
    As opposed to which party that wont lie or be deceitful? What are they meant to do, tell the truth and stay in opposition for eternity or be wiped out?! Their election manifesto is effectively a shopping list, once in coalition, compromise is the order of the day... Its easy to say we will do x y z in opposition or for us to say it here anonymously on boards, actually having to do it and stand over it, is a totally different matter!

    anyway most of the moaners or the ones verbally or physically assaulted, have been taken care of as far as I'm concerned! What did they want or expect no cuts after the last several year sh*tstorm? LOL! They have gotten off lightly...

    Go to Germany, the UK, the states, see how you live on welfare!


  • #148
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Yeah sure, because that would have solved all of the countries problems, how would you have done this? Explain in detail how you would have reneged on the bonds and sorted this country out in less than 3 years. What measures would you have implemented so that we would be in a better position than we are now?

    this old chestnut, either you have everything worked out to the finest detail or shut up

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuYW5VUE9l8

    even those in the dail who do know the answers are ignored so what hope does a joe on the street have!!


  • #149
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    renegademaster wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuYW5VUE9l8

    More bluffage. You didn't answer his questions because you don't know the answers. not a clue


  • #150
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    renegademaster wrote: »
    this old chestnut, either you have everything worked out to the finest detail or shut up

    Nope, this is just a clear cut case of you not having a notion about what you're talking about


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  • #151
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    Nope, this is just a clear cut case of you not having a notion about what you're talking about

    nope, i do, i've attended economics nights explaining in great detail what happened up to just after the late night dail fiasco where illegal bonds were changed to more legal methods of repayment.

    it's you that hasn't a clue of what's going on if you're insisting i lay out a complete plan on an internet forum or else i know nothing


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