What goes in to Value Minced Beef ?

ryan101

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I'm sorry but I believe your friend was bullshitting you.

Well I don't know what kind of friends you have, but I know this person does not bullshyte, so I have the advantage over your mere belief.

There was lots more that went into it, I can't remember half the stuff he saw going in. It doesn't bother me what you think, seeing as I don't eat mince any more, and he also refuses to eat any minced product since.
You however can eat away at it utill your heart is content, it won't bother me what you eat.

To anyone neutral reading this, if you want mince, pick your meat out at the counter and ask your butcher to mince it for you.

pwurple

TimeToShine wrote: »

My rule is if the beef is red then buy it, if it's brown don't touch it. It has worked so far!

I would normally avoid bright red beef in general, as it means it hasn't been hung or aged properly. Good quality beef should be a dark colour, almost purple, with not much liquid coming out of it. You won't usually find that in a supermarket.

TireeTerror

You're all going to turn me vegetarian if you keep this up.

Alf Veedersane

I heard, fro ma friend of a friend, that failed jockeys were thrown into mincing machines that produced pre-packed mince for supermarkets.

El_Dangeroso

I think this gif accurately sums up my reaction to this thread.

ryan101

Looks like he was told smoking causes cancer

rubadub

TireeTerror wrote: »

You're all going to turn me vegetarian if you keep this up.

my mate works on a farm, says they mix actual cow & horse shit into the ground that the veg grows in, there's no getting away from the gross out tales.

ryan101

rubadub wrote: »

my mate works on a farm, says they mix actual cow & horse shit into the ground that the veg grows in, there's no getting away from the gross out tales.

Do you think that is the same ?

_Brian

rubadub wrote: »

my mate works on a farm, says they mix actual cow & horse shit into the ground that the veg grows in, there's no getting away from the gross out tales.

I don't quite understand if your being sartastic or not ?
If yur not then this is the saddest commend I've seen on boards.ie in quite some time..

If you are... well, I've often been behind the curve on sarcism .

TimeToShine

_Brian wrote: »

I don't quite understand if your being sartastic or not ?
If yur not then this is the saddest commend I've seen on boards.ie in quite some time..

If you are... well, I've often been behind the curve on sarcism .

It's true, cow and horse **** is a tremendous fertilizer.

Alf Veedersane

Even if eyes and ears did go into mince, I'm not sure I'd be all that bothered.

Sure, I'd prefer higher quality meat going into it but I don't know why different parts of the cow should cause such horror.

_Brian

TimeToShine wrote: »

It's true, cow and horse **** is a tremendous fertilizer.

Ya, being a farmer I realise that... I was shocked that anybody wouldn't be aware of it.

bur

rubadub wrote: »

I think this method turns it into mush, and they might have to label it as mechanically removed. It might go into cheapo burgers or meatballs but most prepackaged mince is not all mashed together but is strands, so I don't think you would use it in mince.

Ah, this explains the cheap Lidl mince then. My reaction when i was trying to make burgers with it was literally "wtf is this mush?"

still tasted good though.

rubadub

_Brian wrote: »

I don't quite understand if your being sartastic or not ?

Yep, I was just taking the piss.

Dan_Solo

ryan101 wrote: »

My mate worked in a meat processing plant for a few years, he said you would not believe what he seen going into burgers and mince, from eyballs, to ears, to you name it.

So? Are cow eyes poisonous?!?!
As long as it's nutritionally the same, not gone off, and tastes good enough for you, who cares?
Do you think lions and tigers don't go for the "bad" bits and look how fine and strong those lads are.

El_Dangeroso

rubadub wrote: »

my mate works on a farm, says they mix actual cow & horse shit into the ground that the veg grows in, there's no getting away from the gross out tales.

And there's actual rat shit in bread! And eggs come from a chicken's bottom! If you thought about it too much you'd never eat anything.

Don't listen to these urban myth friend of a friend stories, eat as good quality food as you can afford, and leave the fretting to the hypochondriacs.

ryan101

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So? Are cow eyes poisonous?!?!
As long as it's nutritionally the same, not gone off, and tastes good enough for you, who cares?
Do you think lions and tigers don't go for the "bad" bits and look how fine and strong those lads are.

You're not in after hours now Dan.
As this is the health & fitness, nutrition and diet forum, some people prefer to know what they are eating and what they choose to eat.

_Brian

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

And there's actual rat shit in bread! And eggs come from a chicken's bottom! If you thought about it too much you'd never eat anything.

Don't listen to these urban myth friend of a friend stories, eat as good quality food as you can afford, and leave the fretting to the hypochondriacs.

Good advice..
And if you eat as varied as possible a diet as you can manage then you are minimising the impact of the production method of any particular food source.. People who consistantly and regularly eat the same small number of processed foods are susceptable to the production method of that food.

Alf Veedersane

Everyone knows that sausages are usually made with a pig's foreskin, ankle skin, ears, ballbag and whatever else. Plenty of people still eat sausages.

El_Dangeroso

_Brian wrote: »

Good advice..
And if you eat as varied as possible a diet as you can manage then you are minimising the impact of the production method of any particular food source.. People who consistantly and regularly eat the same small number of processed foods are susceptable to the production method of that food.

That's so true, people usually eat an average of 8-10 foods. If that seems low try counting ingredients of the food you eat, I bet even the most varied eater would struggle to get past 25, a consequence of our very industrialised food system.

TimeToShine

So what's the story with that cheap cooked chicken you can get in Aldi and Lidl? It's the really wafer thing one that's about 2 euro for 400g or so. There's roast beef slices as well for about 2.50. Is it all rubbish?

FutureGuy

andy1249 wrote: »

I was unfortunate enough to have to work in the "food industry" for a while , by that I mean a very well known and respected retailer in Ireland .... So you want to know what goes into mince , all the crap off the floor and anything looking a funny colour and about a day from being unfit to eat , that's what.

You want decent mince , buy good meat and have it minced in front of you.

All these pre-packed value items , who knows whats in them , and if you care about what you eat you should stay well away from them.

Most retailers used the mincers and the sausage machines to sell stuff they otherwise couldn't , that's a fact.

Me , Ive seen what goes on , and would never in a million years buy pre packed mince. No one who has seen it would !

Yeah I'll +1 that. It was years ago when I worked in a well known store but essentially any old sh!t would go into the mince and I'm talking about the mince in the counter, not prepacked. It was not uncommon to have other meat thrown in with the beef instead of going to the bin.

I mean it won't kill you, there are no eyeballs going in there or anthing like that, just cuts that were either not well dated or unuable. Lots of fat too. But you are certainly paying far more than you should.

Go to a proper butcher and get it minced in front of you.

Dan_Solo

ryan101 wrote: »

You're not in after hours now Dan.
As this is the health & fitness, nutrition and diet forum, some people prefer to know what they are eating and what they choose to eat.

I just said if they ARE NUTRITIONALLY IDENTICAL. Did you miss or ignore that bit? If people are worried about what's in things that are nutritionally identical, this isn't the forum for it either.

CramCycle

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but do a lot of places use a power hose on the carcasses to get off the last bits of meat to use in mince/sausages?

Bigger places would use what is known as a meat reclamation machine. It basically pulls all the technically edible bits of a carcass. I remember the ads on the back of food service magazines claiming "112% meat reclaimed". What they mean is that 100% is what a skilled butcher would be able to remove from a carcass if given enough time, the rest is not bad for you as such but may not suit the stomachs of some people. I believe (although I did not see it) that one of Jamies Olivers school dinner programmes showed something similar in terms of Chicken when he was in the US.

ford2600

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

That's so true, people usually eat an average of 8-10 foods. If that seems low try counting ingredients of the food you eat, I bet even the most varied eater would struggle to get past 25, a consequence of our very industrialised food system.

Cocunut fat, butter, blue berries, raspberries, greek yoghurt, onion, mushrooms, chillies, olive oil, butter, kale, spinach, cheese, beef, tomatoes, dark chocolate, apple,brazil nuts, hazel nuts, fish oil, chorizo, various seeds

That's just today; probably forgetting some veg

longhalloween

TimeToShine wrote: »

My rule is if the beef is red then buy it, if it's brown don't touch it. It has worked so far!

Spent a few months in a butchers and the color comes down to how much oxygen is in the beef. So if brown beef is minced it turns red
Likewise, brown mince can be run through the mincer again to make it red. It has little to do with quality, or sell by date.

We minced el cheapo mince from all the offcuts and bits that couldn't otherwise be sold, threw in a spice packet and made burgers or meatballs.

El_Dangeroso

ford2600 wrote: »

Cocunut fat, butter, blue berries, raspberries, greek yoghurt, onion, mushrooms, chillies, olive oil, butter, kale, spinach, cheese, beef, tomatoes, dark chocolate, apple,brazil nuts, hazel nuts, fish oil, chorizo, various seeds

That's just today; probably forgetting some veg

Greek yoghurt, butter, cheese are one food Plus it's a bit of a stretch to call fish oil a food..

But well done, your diet is looks very healthy, and is probably more varied than 90% of people.