New Building Control Regs

rodge123

I wonder are there plans to reduce the LA development levies?
Wishful thinking on my behalf probably!

See:

Housing Minister Paudie Coffey said that new policies were coming on stream to speed up delivery of units. They included a reduction in development levies, developer finance being made available and a vacant site tax.

From this article:
http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/families-with-just-one-income-are-struggling-to-rent-affordable-homes-31414592.html

murphy31ie

I handed in my commencement notice in January, house will hopefully be finished December. Do I still have to get everything certified if the law no longer exists after 1st September.

DOCARCH

murphy31ie wrote: »

Do I still have to get everything certified if the law no longer exists after 1st September.

Yes. The 'law' will still exist after 1st September!!!

Gumbo

stickybookmark wrote: »

my commencement notice went in and was accepted, in June

Then I think you are contracted to the system in place as is

stickybookmark

kceire wrote: »

Then I think you are contracted to the system in place as is

Nah i'm gonna tell em take a hike if anyone asks me for a cert next May
the requirement is gone end of story

Gumbo

stickybookmark wrote: »

Nah i'm gonna tell em take a hike if anyone asks me for a cert next May
the requirement is gone end of story

Have you got an assigned Certifier on board or was it under 40Sq. M?

Poor Uncle Tom

stickybookmark wrote: »

Nah i'm gonna tell em take a hike if anyone asks me for a cert next May
the requirement is gone end of story

Lets see, who could ask you for certification for your building works:

Bank,
Building control officer,
Solicitor,

Which of them would you tell to take a hike?

mickdw

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Lets see, who could ask you for certification for your building works:

Bank,
Building control officer,
Solicitor,

Which of them would you tell to take a hike?

If someone wasnt borrowing, it's only building control they will come looking for it.
I believe they will come looking as there will be an open job on the system.
More to the point, if the build has commenced and the professionals are on board, why would the certs not be produced anyway?

I'm interested to see what fudges come about to remove the requirement for certification for these builds that have recently started.

Poor Uncle Tom

mickdw wrote: »

If someone wasnt borrowing, it's only building control they will come looking for it.
I believe they will come looking as there will be an open job on the system.
More to the point, if the build has commenced and the professionals are on board, why would the certs not be produced anyway?

I'm interested to see what fudges come about to remove the requirement for certification for these builds that have recently started.

What changes can they actually make to commitments already given on uploaded certificates at the start of the job as part of the commencement notice documentation?

mickdw

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

What changes can they actually make to commitments already given on uploaded certificates at the start of the job as part of the commencement notice documentation?

How about falsely declaring that builds never actually started thereby invalidating previously validated commencement notices then resubmitting short form after September.
I did say fudge and you would need to be a dodgy bastard to attempt that one but nothing would surprise me tbh specially on builds that did not have bank involved.

Gumbo

mickdw wrote: »

How about falsely declaring that builds never actually started thereby invalidating previously validated commencement notices then resubmitting short form after September.
I did say fudge and you would need to be a dodgy bastard to attempt that one but nothing would surprise me tbh specially on builds that did not have bank involved.

Very possible u less you've already received a commencement check by the BCO.

BryanF

stickybookmark wrote: »

Nah i'm gonna tell em take a hike if anyone asks me for a cert next May
the requirement is gone end of story

The requirement is not gone. Nothing has changed yet.

stickybookmark

mickdw wrote: »

If someone wasnt borrowing, it's only building control they will come looking for it.
I believe they will come looking as there will be an open job on the system.
More to the point, if the build has commenced and the professionals are on board, why would the certs not be produced anyway?

I'm interested to see what fudges come about to remove the requirement for certification for these builds that have recently started.

I'm very early in my project so I can get rid of the AC now and save money. I have other people e.g. the arch tech that designed my house or a guy I know who's an engineer but not a chartered one - that I would prefer to get on board instead of current AC

DOCARCH

stickybookmark wrote: »

I'm very early in my project so I can get rid of the AC now and save money.

No you cannot...if you have already submitted your Commencement Notice (and, by the way, you cannot submit a 'new' Commencement Notice in September!).

stickybookmark

DOCARCH wrote: »

No you cannot...if you have already submitted your Commencement Notice (and, by the way, you cannot submit a 'new' Commencement Notice in September!).

I think there is defo a case to be argued.

BryanF

stickybookmark wrote: »

I think there is defo a case to be argued.

How about having a start at arguing it here?

mullingar

Is there any way of cancelling the CN ?

mickdw

mullingar wrote: »

Is there any way of cancelling the CN ?

Not commencing within the required time frame.

Poor Uncle Tom

stickybookmark wrote: »

There's no bank so I assume no solicitor. So yeah just the building control officer. I'm very early in my project so I can get rid of the AC now and save myself money. Also he is p!ssing me off bigtime! I have other people e.g. the arch tech that designed my house, a guy I know who's an engineer but not a chartered one - that I would much prefer to get involved in the build instead of him"

If it's a new house your solicitor will need certification to register title of your property, if it's an extension your solicitor will need certification to have in case of future sale or transfer of property.

You should have the choice of who you want as your professional advisers on your own site, you're paying them after all, however, you must also comply with current legislation and current legislation is in place since March 2014 and hasn't yet changed.

Whatever pre-election placation measures any minister comes out with, will be subject to the detail attached, this latest press-release includes such smoke as "demonstrate by alternative means that they have met their general obligation to build in accordance with the minimum requirements of the building regulations." and reflections such as " a new fit-for purpose local authority inspection process will be developed. " with the greatest of intentions this can't happen in a month.

Until whatever alterations and plans that are in the pipeline become public knowledge and until the legislation changes to cater for those alterations the current legislation remains in place.

stickybookmark

what brought this lifting of the requirement for one off self builds to be included in Bcar about in the first place?

Rolling over and doing what you're told or standing up to them?

If people hadn't lobbied for fairness this change would never have come about. Now is not the time to dance for the man

Poor Uncle Tom

stickybookmark wrote: »

what brought this lifting of the requirement for one off self builds to be included in Bcar about in the first place?

Rolling over and doing what you're told or standing up to them?

If people hadn't lobbied for fairness this change would never have come about. Now is not the time to dance for the man

As much as I agree with the sentiment of your post I think this row-back has more to do with the looming elections than it has with bowing to lobbying.

No6

I also suspect the CIF lads arn't terribly interested in one off housing, hence they dont have a problem taking them out.

Strolling Bones

stickybookmark wrote: »

what brought this lifting of the requirement for one off self builds to be included in Bcar about in the first place?

Rolling over and doing what you're told or standing up to them?

If people hadn't lobbied for fairness this change would never have come about. Now is not the time to dance for the man

I have seen more than once sales fail to complete over issues such as these.
Under the "old" regs i.e. pre 2014. People don't feel so revolutionary when their lives are placed on hold.

But I am sure it would never happen to you ( everybody thinks so)

Gumbo

The Ammended Regulations will be in force by 1st September 2015.

mickdw

kceire wrote: »

The Ammended Regulations will be in force by 1st September 2015.

Anything new on this?

01Surveyor

Strolling Bones wrote: »

I don't know how fees will be impacted. But you are essentially correct.
The RIAI saw this as the creation of some sort of cash cow. Instead of doing what they should have done - loudly and publicly critising the shortfalls in the legislation as it affected house buyers - they played ball with Hogan in return for a protected status under the act. Utterly shameful.

I am afraid this assertion is incorrect. The RIAI has from the outset pointed out that the BC(A)R Building Control System is fundamentally flawed, and it continues to do so. However the RIAI has, mistakenly in my view, chosen to try to resolve matters by quiet negotiation with the DECLG. This has clearly not worked and AFAIK the RIAI will now be adopting a different and hopefully more effective approach.

Far from being a 'Cash Cow' for architects the opposite is the case with a large number (possibly the majority) of architects, including some of the largest practices, declining to provide AC services, which are apparently being provided by engineers for the most part

Strolling Bones

01Surveyor wrote: »

I am afraid this assertion is incorrect. The RIAI has from the outset pointed out that the BC(A)R Building Control System is fundamentally flawed, and it continues to do so. However the RIAI has, mistakenly in my view, chosen to try to resolve matters by quiet negotiation with the DECLG. This has clearly not worked and AFAIK the RIAI will now be adopting a different and hopefully more effective approach.

It uses - today - weasel words which are having no affect on the DOE whatsoever except to reinforce contempt for it's membership.

01Surveyor wrote: »

Far from being a 'Cash Cow' for architects the opposite is the case with a large number (possibly the majority) of architects, including some of the largest practices, declining to provide AC services, which are apparently being provided by engineers for the most part

The RIAI have let down all of it's membership. It thought it secured an advantage for it's Arch members ( don't know why) including at the expense of it's AT members ( know even less why )

01Surveyor

Strolling Bones wrote: »

It uses - today - weasel words which are having no affect on the DOE whatsoever except to reinforce contempt for it's membership.



The RIAI have let down all of it's membership. It thought it secured an advantage for it's Arch members ( don't know why) including at the expense of it's AT members ( know even less why )

Sad to say I cant fully disagree with you on either opinion.

stickybookmark

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

If it's a new house your solicitor will need certification to register title of your property

Apparently not...

sydthebeat wrote: »

Nope, land registry couldn't give a crap about a cert of compliance.
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kceire wrote: »

Land registry never required them either.

sydthebeat

stickybookmark wrote: »

Apparently not...

You are mixing up your certificates.

Certs of compliance have nothing to do with land registry. They certify compliance with planning permission And building regulations.

Land registry certifications are different beasts altogether.