Local Election 2014: People Before Profit Alliance - Martin Grehan [MOD Note Post 6]

HonalD

ClaireAG wrote: »

Martin's involvement in Femsoc; an organisation promoting equality, is most definitely a great achievement of his.
The anti-rape posters which are being shared were put up but not every Femsoc committee member were consulted on this decision. They do not represent views of every past/current Femsoc member. The selected screen grabs of recent controversy over strippers in the SU just illustrate how active Martin is in local pressure groups and how he will speak up when he disagrees with inequality. And frankly, that is a virtue we need in our public representatives.

ClaireAG, thanks for your very first post on Boards and your support of the OP's virtue. The poster remains bizarre in my opinion and whether Martin is directly associated is not a concern of me but I couldn't vote for anyone who is connected to it.

HonalD

Fionn1978 wrote: »

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This is a rape awareness campaign run by NUIM Femsoc in 2012 via Facebook to raise awareness and debate amongst students to "help to reverse the popular trend of focusing rape prevention messages on women and transfer them instead towards more appropriate recipients - potential perpetrators."

The idea was to challenge disurbing and increasing rape culture online and upend old myths which perpetuate this culture particularly through social media. It was taken from Rape Crisis Scotland's succesful education campaign at the time.

It is not sexist but a challenge to sexism in society where women are told it is up to them to not get themselves raped but what are our messages to the potential perpetrators? Why not focus our prevention strategies at educating them about their responsibilities to keep their friends safe etc. For example, in the US a sister campaign (also published by Femsoc's newsletter) asks boys and men to stand up for their friends as allies to prevent rapes occurring on college campuses.


"Rape Crisis Scotland adapted an apt and popular revision of the traditional approach to rape prevention in a new poster and postcard campaign."


Hard copies of posters in A4 and A3 sizes, and of postcards are available by order from their website for colleges and community groups to use.

Please write to info at rapecrisisscotland.org.uk if you would like to receive some of these or learn more about this campaign.



You can Google their website under
rapecrisisscotland org uk -> check news, then stop-rape section.QUOTE=HonalD;90083523]That is staggering. Anyone involved would need to take a good long look at themselves and try and imagine what any fellow human (outside their bubble) thinks of it.

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Thanks for your first post on Boards. My comments still stand, the poster is staggering and that's the biggest complement I can make about it.

Seren_

Banquo and Eric Cartman - why do you only ever want to discuss FemSoc on either boards or facebook? You know who we are IRL, and I have never once been approached by either of you to discuss this. As Fionn pointed out, that poster was circulated in 2012. You have had ample time to raise issues with that poster before now. Also, Martin isn't on the FemSoc committee (neither am I any more), but he comes along to meetings/protests. Lots of ex-students do. Nothing wrong about that. He never denied being involved. And personally, I don't understand the furore surrounding being involved with a cause you believe in.

I have known Martin for a number of years now and he is a passionate activist and a hard worker. He is also one of the nicest people you could meet. I'll be giving him my vote on May 23, not just because I know him (although that obviously does have an effect) but because I have a similar political stance as him and I know he won't turn his back on what he believes in.

HonalD

Seren_ wrote: »

Banquo and Eric Cartman - why do you only ever want to discuss FemSoc on either boards or facebook? You know who we are IRL, and I have never once been approached by either of you to discuss this. As Fionn pointed out, that poster was circulated in 2012. You have had ample time to raise issues with that poster before now. Also, Martin isn't on the FemSoc committee (neither am I any more), but he comes along to meetings/protests. Lots of ex-students do. Nothing wrong about that. He never denied being involved. And personally, I don't understand the furore surrounding being involved with a cause you believe in.

I have known Martin for a number of years now and he is a passionate activist and a hard worker. He is also one of the nicest people you could meet. I'll be giving him my vote on May 23, not just because I know him (although that obviously does have an effect) but because I have a similar political stance as him and I know he won't turn his back on what he believes in.

Seren, I'm not aware of any personal contact between you, the OP and others.

You give a ringing endorsement for voting for a PBPA candidate which sounds a bit like circling the wagons with the posts made recently. I don't doubt that the OP is "one of the incest people you could meet" but being nice and hard working only gets you so far.

I personally won't be disclosing who I'm voting for but I remain unconvinced that someone can promise to always vote no to a reduction in services and vote no to a tax rise. It doesn't make sense and that is the core issue for my postings. I also feel that the OP cannot do what they want to do, as I stated above we live in a democracy and the OPs promises don't stack up.

banquo

Standing up for what you believe in is great. It's when that spills over into bullying that it should be called out and apologised for.

Eric Cartman

Seren_ wrote: »

Banquo and Eric Cartman - why do you only ever want to discuss FemSoc on either boards or facebook? You know who we are IRL, and I have never once been approached by either of you to discuss this. As Fionn pointed out, that poster was circulated in 2012. You have had ample time to raise issues with that poster before now. Also, Martin isn't on the FemSoc committee (neither am I any more), but he comes along to meetings/protests. Lots of ex-students do. Nothing wrong about that. He never denied being involved. And personally, I don't understand the furore surrounding being involved with a cause you believe in.

I have known Martin for a number of years now and he is a passionate activist and a hard worker. He is also one of the nicest people you could meet. I'll be giving him my vote on May 23, not just because I know him (although that obviously does have an effect) but because I have a similar political stance as him and I know he won't turn his back on what he believes in.

Ive said nothing about femsoc in this thread, so you can leave me out of it.

I only wanted clarification on why martin was arrested ,

which was ignored, Nothing to do with femsoc Id imagine.

Agent Smith

Are you still a member of the Socialist workers party?

Clandestine

Martin Grehan wrote: »

No Irish based woman can access an abortion, women are the victims (and men are the perpetrators) of the vast majority of domestic and sexual violence, woman do not earn as much as men, etc, etc, the list goes on.

1. I agree the law needs to be changed, but the law says they can under certain circumstances
2. Actually, the national crime unit found:
"15% of women and 6% of men suffer severe domestic abuse
29% of women and 26% of men suffer domestic abuse when severe abuse and minor incidents are combined
13% of women and 13% of men suffer physical abuse or minor physical incidents and
29% of women (1 in 3) and only 5% of men (1 in 20) report to the Gardaí."

Doesn't sound like men commit a vast amount more than women.

3.Yes they do, this has been debunked for decades.

Fionn1978 wrote: »

The idea was to challenge disurbing and increasing rape culture online and upend old myths which perpetuate this culture particularly through social media. It was taken from Rape Crisis Scotland's succesful education campaign at the time.

It is not sexist but a challenge to sexism in society where women are told it is up to them to not get themselves raped but what are our messages to the potential perpetrators? Why not focus our prevention strategies at educating them about their responsibilities to keep their friends safe etc. For example, in the US a sister campaign (also published by Femsoc's newsletter) asks boys and men to stand up for their friends as allies to prevent rapes occurring on college campuses.

1. There is no such thing as rape culture. In Yemen, Pakistan or another high risk country for women, maybe. Not here in ireland though
2. Yes, it is extremely sexist. Any average person would tell you that it is.

banquo

I'd like to hear more about this new system of government Martin's going to get us.

HonalD

It's getting a bit quiet on here........

banquo

He's been online a few times since his last post. Suppose it's harder for politicians to dodge questions on the internet.

Rosahane

Martin, below is a link to the KCC 2014 budget document.

http://kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/Publications/Budget2014/FullBudgetNew.pdf

Could you, in the context of the overall budget tell us what changes you would propose to make, what additional services you would like to see included, which current services you would like to have reduced and which increased?

If you propose increasing the budget where would you propose to source the additional funding?

I will be asking this of all candidates whom I am in contact, and, having my own views on the subject will be interested in their response.

Please avoid generalities and political philosophy except in the context of specific costed proposals.

I look forward to your response.

Rosahane

Al well!

Given the silence I think it's likely that People before Profit are unlikely to profit before people interaction!

Excuse the bad pun :eek:

banquo

Pity. Especially given his usual "typical politicians" bluster.

Martin Grehan

Hi folks,

Apologies for the delay in getting back to you all. I've been run off my feet with the election campaign. Unfortunately I don't think I can commit to maintaining this thread ongoing as the stress of running a full time campaign with a small team is dominating things at the moment, and I'm finding it difficult to get to bed before midnight with the amount of online work required post canvassing.

I really valued and value the time people put into asking me questions and debating and for all those who I have not responded to I would please ask them to get in touch via email (northkildarepbp@gmail.com) or by phone (0860878114) and I will get back to each of you. Specifically, the following posters who I have not responded to: Rosahane, Agent Smith, MYOB, ThisRegard.

Thanks,
Martin

angeldelight

Love it! Most politicians wait until after the elections to go back on their commitments, at least Martin isn't pretending to be something he's not

HonalD

angeldelight wrote: »

at least Martin isn't pretending to be something he's not

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Rosahane

Martin Grehan wrote: »

Hi folks,

Apologies for the delay in getting back to you all. I've been run off my feet with the election campaign. Unfortunately I don't think I can commit to maintaining this thread ongoing as the stress of running a full time campaign with a small team is dominating things at the moment, and I'm finding it difficult to get to bed before midnight with the amount of online work required post canvassing.

I really valued and value the time people put into asking me questions and debating and for all those who I have not responded to I would please ask them to get in touch via email (northkildarepbp@gmail.com) or by phone (0860878114) and I will get back to each of you. Specifically, the following posters who I have not responded to: Rosahane, Agent Smith, MYOB, ThisRegard.


Thanks,
Martin

Hi Martin,

I can see little difference in the effort required in responding to me privately, or publicly on this forum. Also, a public response has the benefit that your policies reach a larger audience.

My question is reasonable, fundamental to the function of the Council, to the role of those elected, and of crucial importance in the relative assessment of the policies of candidates by the electorate.

You took the decision to use this forum as part of your election strategy and should now honour that commitment.

Rosahane.

L1011

Martin

There's no difference between you giving me a reply here or giving it to me via email. None at all. Takes you no longer but actually helps in that it lets other people know. Do it here or don't do it.