Cosmetic Surgery - The Human Barbie

Jonny Blaze

This is the 'human barbie' - Valeria Lukyanova (Don't google if you are squeamish about this!)

http://www.independent.ie/woman/beauty/inside-the-weird-world-of-the-human-barbie-30177907.html

Came across stories about her before and it always makes me pretty uncomfortable.

I am pretty much totally against elective cosmetic surgery and feel it tends in a large majority of cases to actually make people look much much worse.

I also think that the decision to chose to have cosmetic surgery betrays major deficiencies in a persons personality.

While I can't deny that there is anecdotal evidence from people who report increased self confidence as a result of the surgery so fair enough there I guess.

I reckon if the person had the psychological tools to deal with reality in a normal way that there wouldn't be any need for the surgery.

Anyway, enough spiel!

How much is too much and how far is too far with cosmetic surgery?

vicwatson

No, just no

bodice ripper

I blame the parents.

Guy:Incognito

bodice ripper wrote: »

I blame the parents.

Mattel?

Galwayguy35

She is like something from Madame Tussuads wax museum.

pajor

Read before that she met 'Ken'. Some Russian (I think) guy who got all the surgery etc to make himself look like a Ken doll..

He didn't like here because she looked too fake. :pac:

shopaholic01

I can understand someone fixing an unattractive feature, but this girl probably has body dysmorphic disorder.

The surgeons really should be ashamed, she looks like a freak.

Jonny Blaze

Apparently a lot of it is down to make up but i dunno if i believe that.

Sort of like Nicole Kidman who "never had any work done"

Frosty McSnowballs

I'd play with her.

Retrovertigo

I would.

My name is URL

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

Apparently a lot of it is down to make up but i dunno if i believe that.

Well here's a picture of her looking somewhat normal, with less makeup

http://m24digital.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/b6.jpg

kowloon

What have they done to her eyes? They look like they're drawn on to her eyelids.

shopaholic01

kowloon wrote: »

What have they done to her eyes? They look like they're drawn on to her eyelids.

Combination of oversized contacts and bizarre make-up I think.

Jonny Blaze

My name is URL wrote: »

Well here's a picture of her looking somewhat normal, with less makeup

http://m24digital.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/b6.jpg

Yeah its totally possible alright, I have big respect for the black magic that is make up!

Even her body looks kind of freakishly proportioned though and her nose looks like it must have been filed away or something.

MonstaMash

My name is URL wrote: »

Well here's a picture of her looking somewhat normal, with less makeup

http://m24digital.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/b6.jpg

She'a a pretty looking lady in that shot.

howamidifferent

Retrovertigo wrote: »

I would.

You'd have to go through my ass first. ðŸ˜

Frosty McSnowballs

I wonder if she has been "Polyfillered" too......for accuracy like.

shopaholic01

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

Yeah its totally possible alright, I have big respect for the black magic that is make up!

Even her body looks kind of freakishly proportioned though and her nose looks like it must have been filed away or something.

There is no way make-up changed her nose or face shape to that extent. It's a pity, she's beautiful in that before photo.

Remmy

My name is URL wrote: »

Well here's a picture of her looking somewhat normal, with less makeup

http://m24digital.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/b6.jpg

She looks great there imo minus the weird eyebrows

Penny Tration

Lol op, personality deficiency to have elective surgery?

You try walking around with H cup breasts on a size 14, 5'1 frame. I have scars on my shoulders from bra straps trying to support my chest, and back pain most days. I do not want a reduction, but I did for years, and it's not down to a personality deficiency, it's down to the fact that I hated my breasts.

When I'm about 40, I fully plan to have an uplift when they go south.

Wanting one or two procedures does not point to a personality issue. Constant surgery points towards a mental health issue, not a personality issue.

Jonny Blaze

shopaholic01 wrote: »

I can understand someone fixing an unattractive feature, but this girl probably has body dysmorphic disorder.

The surgeons really should be ashamed, she looks like a freak.

I wouldn't even agree with the whole fixing an unattractive feature now to be honest. I mean if a person is a usual or average looking then they should be refused surgery in my opinion.

The idea that an unattractive feature needs to be fixed is just a vanity / inflated body image issue and shouldn't be encouraged or condoned.

If you're willing to go under the knife to alter your looks, shouldn't you be encouraged to spend the money on a shrink to alter your mindset first?

What's the end game anyway? You can't achieve perfection.

I think people who want surgery and can pay for it are none of your business tbh
It should be between them and a surgeon if they get it done
A psych consult beforehand? Maybe yeah. World is full of people doing things we don't like that ultimately don't harm anyone

green_screen

green_screen wrote: »

You try walking around with H cup breasts on a size 14, 5'1 frame.

You must be worn out managing those! I can't even carry a heavy handbag.

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

Well here's a picture of her looking somewhat normal, with less makeup

http://m24digital.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/b6.jpg

Wow, she is proper beautiful.

green_screen wrote: »

Lol op, personality deficiency to have elective surgery?

You try walking around with H cup breasts on a size 14, 5'1 frame. I have scars on my shoulders from bra straps trying to support my chest, and back pain most days. I do not want a reduction, but I did for years, and it's not down to a personality deficiency, it's down to the fact that I hated my breasts.

When I'm about 40, I fully plan to have an uplift when they go south.

Wanting one or two procedures does not point to a personality issue. Constant surgery points towards a mental health issue, not a personality issue.

Breast reduction for back pain is not considered cosmetic surgery.

Jonny Blaze

green_screen wrote: »

Lol op, personality deficiency to have elective surgery?

You try walking around with H cup breasts on a size 14, 5'1 frame. I have scars on my shoulders from bra straps trying to support my chest, and back pain most days. I do not want a reduction, but I did for years, and it's not down to a personality deficiency, it's down to the fact that I hated my breasts.

When I'm about 40, I fully plan to have an uplift when they go south.

Wanting one or two procedures does not point to a personality issue. Constant surgery points towards a mental health issue, not a personality issue.

Of course I don't think anyone would take issue with a surgery that is of genuine medical merit but the whole 'oh i think my nose is too big' or 'i wish my cheekbones were higher' mentality is definitely a warped outlook in my opinion.

Penny Tration

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wow, she is proper beautiful.



Breast reduction for back pain is not considered cosmetic surgery.

The back pain isn't severe enough to warrant surgery, though, which would make it cosmetic surgery. it's severe enough that I have to work on my core a lot in the gym, though.

shopaholic01

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

I wouldn't even agree with the whole fixing an unattractive feature now to be honest. I mean if a person is a usual or average looking then they should be refused surgery in my opinion.

The idea that an unattractive feature needs to be fixed is just a vanity / inflated body image issue and shouldn't be encouraged or condoned.

If you're willing to go under the knife to alter your looks, shouldn't you be encouraged to spend the money on a shrink to alter your mindset first?

What's the end game anyway? You can't achieve perfection.

You could say the same about make-up, colouring your hair, styling your hair, shaving, dressing well etc.

Should we just walk around in black sack and abandon all personal grooming?

Imagine you have a honker of a nose, that you spent your school days being mocked etc. You are a happy, well adjusted person, but you hate your nose. Why shouldn't you get it altered? Big difference between that and turning yourself into a doll replica.

Penny Tration

Candie wrote: »

You must be worn out managing those! I can't even carry a heavy handbag.

You get used to it, they've been huge since I was 12. :pac:

Jonny Blaze

bluewolf wrote: »

I think people who want surgery and can pay for it are none of your business tbh
It should be between them and a surgeon if they get it done
A psych consult beforehand? Maybe yeah. World is full of people doing things we don't like that ultimately don't harm anyone

Of course its none of my business but doesn't preclude my having an opinion on it!

Jonny Blaze

shopaholic01 wrote: »

You could say the same about make-up, colouring your hair, styling your hair, shaving, dressing well etc.

Should we just walk around in black sack and abandon all personal grooming?

Imagine you have a honker of a nose, that you spent your school days being mocked etc. You are a happy, well adjusted person, but you hate your nose. Why shouldn't you get it altered? Big difference between that and turning yourself into a doll replica.

All of those are essentially external though and it would be ridiculous to equate them with potential harmful and damaging surgery.

Putting on a few nice clothes or a bit of lippy isn't in anyway the same as literally slicing up or pouring dangerous chemicals / firing lasers at you face.

Jonny Blaze

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

All of those are essentially external though and it would be ridiculous to equate them with potential harmful and damaging surgery.

I think it's hard to understand how you can be affected by the way you look, until you are affected by the way you look.

Jonny Blaze

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

Of course its none of my business but doesn't preclude my having an opinion on it!

Right, but you said you think it should be refused

Jonny Blaze

bluewolf wrote: »

Right, but you said you think it should be refused

Yeah, its my opinion that they should be refused.

Temptamperu

green_screen wrote: »

Lol op, personality deficiency to have elective surgery?

You try walking around with H cup breasts on a size 14, 5'1 frame. I have scars on my shoulders from bra straps trying to support my chest, and back pain most days. I do not want a reduction, but I did for years, and it's not down to a personality deficiency, it's down to the fact that I hated my breasts.

When I'm about 40, I fully plan to have an uplift when they go south.

Wanting one or two procedures does not point to a personality issue. Constant surgery points towards a mental health issue, not a personality issue.

Hes not talking about you, hes talking about people who feel ugly going through a dangerous surgery to look "normal" and hes right to a degree. he just didnt small print his post.

shopaholic01

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

Putting on a few nice clothes or a bit of lippy isn't in anyway the same as literally slicing up or pouring dangerous chemicals / firing lasers at you face.

Doesn't produce the same results either. If cosmetic surgery was properly regulated clients would be fully advised of the risks and always have appropriate aftercare (doesn't happen in a lot of countries currently). Personal choice after that.

Jonny Blaze

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

Of course I don't think anyone would take issue with a surgery that is of genuine medical merit but the whole 'oh i think my nose is too big' or 'i wish my cheekbones were higher' mentality is definitely a warped outlook in my opinion.

Why is vanity so maligned anyway? What makes vanity an invalid pursuit? If someone's looks are of paramount importance to them and they're willing to take the risk and spend the money, then let them.

People fly single-engined planes over mountains, or ski off-piste and take all kinds of risk to enjoy the things that are important to them, putting a negative value judgement on vanity doesn't really make much logical sense.

Penny Tration

Temptamperu wrote: »

Hes not talking about you, hes talking about people who feel ugly going through a dangerous surgery to look "normal" and hes right to a degree. he just didnt small print his post.

I wanted it because I felt ugly. I want an uplift when I'm older because I'll feel ugly. Still doesn't mean I have any deficiency in my personality.

Jonny Blaze

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it's hard to understand how you can be affected by the way you look, until you are affected by the way you look.

Thats a fair point and its not like if someone had some sort of major deformity or similar problem I would take any issue with them receiving help for it, but the mindset that average looking is not good enough is a pretty toxic one as far as I'm concerned anyway.

Take someone who is perfectly normal looking but maybe think their ears stick out or something.

And maybe they don't just think it, maybe their ears do in fact stick out a little.

They could reasonably say that it bothers them but the fact is that it would be an unnecessary surgery. To me that person would be better served trying to overcome their psychological impression of their appearance and develop a more healthy and accepting outlook than going and getting a potentially dangerous surgery to deal with the problem.

My name is URL

Deleted User wrote: »

Wow, she is proper beautiful

Yeah. I think so. She probably never will though.. that's the sad part about cases like this =/

I have to say I agree with Jonny Blaze to some degree. Surgeons, be they medical or cosmetic; should know when to say enough is enough. Some people chase a notion of themselves that they'll never attain, and do more harm than good to themselves in the process.. and ethics should play at least some part in whether or not surgeons are a part of that futility.

Jonny Blaze

Candie wrote: »

Why is vanity so maligned anyway? What makes vanity an invalid pursuit? If someone's looks are of paramount importance to them and they're willing to take the risk and spend the money, then let them.

People fly single-engined planes over mountains, or ski off-piste and take all kinds of risk to enjoy the things that are important to them, putting a negative value judgement on vanity doesn't really make much logical sense.

That's actually an excellent point, and there's not really much I can say in retort. Objectively speaking there is only personal self interest at stake here as you say.

However the issue does bleed over into the grounds of medical ethics and the value society place on an individual's well being, whether physical or psychological.

If a person were suffering from mental health issues and dealt with it personally by cutting themselves, I think most people would argue that they would be wiser to try and work out their problems in other ways rather rather than resorting to self harm.

And that's not even taking into account the fact that someone who is self harming is not aided and abetted in the act by a team of medical professionals.

You could argue that personal choice would govern the decision that person makes, and that hey, they aren't affecting anyone else. Why shoudn't they be allowed to self harm? And maybe you would be right. I sure cant say.

But if you were to walk in to a surgeons office and ask him to slash your legs with a razor blade 'because it makes me feel better' then it starts to sound like maybe that line of logic isnt without its problems either.

shopaholic01

My name is URL wrote: »

Yeah. I think so. She probably never will though.. that's the sad part about cases like this =/

I have to say I agree with Jonny Blaze to some degree. Surgeons, be they medical or cosmetic; should know when to say enough is enough. Some people chase a notion of themselves that they'll never attain, and do more harm than good to themselves in the process.. and ethics should play at least some part in whether or not surgeons are a part of that futility.

She's the female equivalent of Michael Jackson - two very attractive people who didn't need surgery.

Most people aren't that extreme and just change a feature that they are genuinely unhappy with. I agree with you on the ethics of some surgeons, surely they can differentiate between the two extremes?

HerrScheisse

We could get into ethics. On how it it the sickness of luxury, the resources to focus on the exterior. Why there are no laws to restict this practise.

But man oh man, I would be all over that like stink on a monkey!

Jonny Blaze

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

Thats a fair point and its not like if someone had some sort of major deformity or similar problem I would take any issue with them receiving help for it, but the mindset that average looking is not good enough is a pretty toxic one as far as I'm concerned anyway.

Take someone who is perfectly normal looking but maybe think their ears stick out or something.

And maybe they don't just think it, maybe their ears do in fact stick out a little.

They could reasonably say that it bothers them but the fact is that it would be an unnecessary surgery. To me that person would be better served trying to overcome their psychological impression of their appearance and develop a more healthy and accepting outlook than going and getting a potentially dangerous surgery to deal with the problem.

I know where you're coming from, and I don't disagree tbh. I think it should be a very last resort, genuinely, but only because I think any surgery should be a last resort. I do know too though, that if you've been bullied over something all of your life, or if every day you look in the mirror and that's all you can see, then it must be life changing to have that problem fixed. In the case of the woman in the OP, I don't think it's healthy to change everything about yourself to make you look like an entirely different person.

HerrScheisse

Stink on a monkey I said!

Penny Tration

HerrScheisse wrote: »

Stink on a monkey I said!

Yeah, we read it the first time.

Jonny Blaze

Deleted User wrote: »

I know where you're coming from, and I don't disagree tbh. I think it should be a very last resort, genuinely, but only because I think any surgery should be a last resort. I do know too though, that if you've been bullied over something all of your life, or if every day you look in the mirror and that's all you can see, then it must be life changing to have that problem fixed. In the case of the woman in the OP, I don't think it's healthy to change everything about yourself to make you look like an entirely different person.

Yeah its not that I don't empathise with people who have to deal with the issue, I just think that the default should be to try and empower people to deal with, and hopefully overcome their psychological issues via a more conventional or at least less invasive method such as therapy and whatnot.

EyeSight

I would!

Without the make up she's just a hot girl with a boob job who's extremely skinny. If she's happy looking like this then leave her be

Knasher

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

Yeah its not that I don't empathise with people who have to deal with the issue, I just think that the default should be to try and empower people to deal with, and hopefully overcome their psychological issues via a more conventional or at least less invasive method such as therapy and whatnot.

Excluding people that are actively a threat to others, I think you just have to deal with people on their own terms. If she wanted to get therapy instead, she absolutely has that option, she chose this instead. I fail to see how she would be empowered by having her right to make this decision taken away from her.

Wouldn't seem like much of a jump to "empowering" transgendered people in the same way.

KKkitty

shopaholic01 wrote: »

I can understand someone fixing an unattractive feature, but this girl probably has body dysmorphic disorder.

The surgeons really should be ashamed, she looks like a freak.

I'm sure all the money she's paid for the plastic surgery has more than enough helped with the shame. Seriously though there has to be mental problems for someone to undertake all those procedures and to think the end product is something to be pleased with.

fonecrusher1

phoawr she a cracker alright. Leave her alone yiz. If she wanna get in shape leave her ffs. She gorgeous.

Lots of jealous women in here! tut tut :pac:

shopaholic01

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

phoawr she a cracker alright. Leave her alone yiz. If she wanna get in shape leave her ffs. She gorgeous.

Lots of jealous women in here! tut tut :pac:

She was stunningly beautiful before the surgeries. I'd be far more jealous of the before than the after.