Another US School Attack.

randy hickey

Sky are reporting yet another attack at a school in Murrysville, Pennsylvania.

This time no guns were involved, but up to twenty people have been injured, with one in custody.

Incident took place at Franklin Regional High School.

jane82

America needs to have parenting classes for all.

Gatling

And yesterday's report of a mother who found a credible threat to her sons life on Facebook ,
The 2 year old who shot his/her 11 year old sibling the day before ,

D1stant

http://news.sky.com/story/1239687/twenty-students-stabbed-outside-high-school

The_B_Man

Happened at 7:20am.
TBH, if I was made get up that early for school, I'd go mad as well!

Plazaman

Strange indeed that one kid can stab up to 20 people without one person attempting to kick him on the underside of his scrote or throw a rock at his noggin. A gun is a different kettle of fish, but a knife.

As many as 20 students have been injured in stabbing at a high school in the US state of Pennsylvania, authorities have said.

One suspect believed to be a student is in custody at Franklin Regional High School in a suburb of Pittsburgh, a local affiliate of ABC News reports.

The wounded, at least four with significant injuries, range in age from 14-17 and have been taken to hospital.

Now much in the article about what exactly happened but I suppose he could have taken all by surprise. 4 people seriously injured the rest are just scrapes and cuts so thankfully it wasn't worse.

Hande hoche!

Reminds me a bit of those stabbings in Chinese schools.

PizzamanIRL

I can understand him getting away with stabbing 2 people but 20? Were people just watching him doing it? I know it's easy to say at a keyboard but surely someone could have tackled him or something.

gramar

We don't know what type of knife the loon had. If someone is swinging a machete around then it's all too easy to imagine a lot of people getting injured.

It just goes to show that the problem isn't guns...it's mental health.

jane82

gramar wrote: »

We don't know what type of knife the loon had. If someone is swinging a machete around then it's all too easy to imagine a lot of people getting injured.

It just goes to show that the problem isn't guns...it's mental health.

Its a mix of things. If kids were taught to include everybody and not push people into being outsiders or not to push around the mentally ill Id be sure a vast majority of these attacks would be avoided.

Gringo180

Doesnt surprise me in the slightest, America is one really screwed up country.

dilallio

Of course the National Riflemans Association (NRA) will come out with a statement that if the victims were armed, this unfortunate incident could have been averted.

MadsL

Gringo180 wrote: »

Doesnt surprise me in the slightest, America is one really screwed up country.

Because school shootings never happen in normal countries like Germany or Finland,

dilallio wrote: »

Of course the National Riflemans Association (NRA) will come out with a statement that if the victims were armed, this unfortunate incident could have been averted.

By the logic of those calling for gun control to avert school massacres, knives should now be banned.

Jesus Wept

hmm, I lived in Murrysville as a kid, my sibblings were at Franklin for three years.
Hope everyone recovers well.

MadsL

dilallio wrote: »

Of course the National Riflemans Association (NRA) will come out with a statement that if the victims were armed, this unfortunate incident could have been averted.

Just a question, but if a veteran were one of the teachers in this school and was allowed to concealed carry a firearm during his/her working day, and was present when this happened, would 20 people have been stabbed with a knife?

I used to teach, and remember the horror story about a teacher who was attacked with an axe during a meeting with a parent. Teachers are prohibited from having the means to defend themselves, even if they have been trained and are legally carrying in the State for which they hold a CCW licence. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

o1s1n

MadsL wrote: »

By the logic of those calling for gun control to avert school massacres, knives should now be banned.

Well it's a bit of a bad comparison to be fair. I could try and cut my sandwich with a shotgun but it's not really going to end very well

Nothing wrong with gun control. Let the people who need them have them and restrict from the people who shouldn't. Seems to work fine in Ireland.

srsly78

Wouldn't have happened if the kids had guns.

Witcher

If there had been a firearm involved this thread would probably be 20 pages long by now.

drunkmonkey

I was hoping it was a flamethrower, those americans are so lame with their choice of weapons. We should send up Kim Young Un to show them how to jazz up the massacres.

SEPT 23 1989

Must have been a big knife

MadsL

o1s1n wrote: »

Well it's a bit of a bad comparison to be fair. I could try and cut my sandwich with a shotgun but it's not really going to end very well

The vast, vast majority of firearms legally owned are used in a responsible manner.

]Nothing wrong with gun control. Let the people who need them have them and restrict from the people who shouldn't. Seems to work fine in Ireland.

Anyone who knows anything about firearms law in Ireland is snorting through their nose right now. Firearms law in Ireland is an arbitrary mess.

dark crystal

MadsL wrote: »

The vast, vast majority of firearms legally owned are used in a responsible manner.



Anyone who knows anything about firearms law in Ireland is snorting through their nose right now. Firearms law in Ireland is an arbitrary mess.

Seems to be keeping the aul' shooting massacres down, though.

SharpshooterTom

gramar wrote: »

It just goes to show that the problem isn't guns...it's mental health.

Let there be no doubt though that a single person attacking a large number of people with knife will kill a lot less people than a person attacking a lot of people with a semi-automatic weapon.

The attack in China was carried out by a large group of people (not just one person), which explains why there were deaths. If those same people each had a semi-automatic which could fire 30 bullets a second, they could kill hundreds.

I'm not one for banning gans in the US, but there is a big difference between a knife and a semi-automatic weapon. Only a moron would think otherwise.

Witcher

dark crystal wrote: »

Seems to be keeping the aul' shooting massacres down, though.

Laws have nothing to do with mass shootings. Britain's laws are just as tough as here..tougher in some respect..but they've had several mass shootings over the last 30 years or so.

Norway also has tough laws but Anders Breivik simply went along with the process and we know what happened there.

MadsL

dark crystal wrote: »

Seems to be keeping the aul' shooting massacres down, though.

In Europe? Whilst there has been no shootings in a school in Ireland, there have been several in the UK with even more restrictive gun laws than Ireland. Your statement doesn't make any logical sense.

Witcher

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Let there be no doubt though that a single person attacking a large number of people with knife will kill a lot less people than a person attacking a lot of people with a semi-automatic weapon.

The attack in China was carried out by a large group of people (not just one person), which explains why there were deaths. If those same people each had a semi-automatic which could fire 30 bullets a second, they could kill hundreds.

I'm not one for banning gans in the US, but there is a big difference between a knife and a semi-automatic weapon. Only a moron would think otherwise.

A semi auto firing thirty bullets a second?

A Vulcan cannon barely does that:pac:

Call Me Jimmy

Would relative population size not be a factor? i.e. probability-wise britain should be 10 times more likely to have a multiple-shooting over a given time period than Ireland?

Son Of A Vidic

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Reminds me a bit of those stabbings in Chinese schools.

There has been quite a spate of knife attacks across China for a few years now. But they just don't generate any media hype over here, probably because there's no Yanks involved.

MadsL

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Let there be no doubt though that a single person attacking a large number of people with knife will kill a lot less people than a person attacking a lot of people with a semi-automatic weapon.

You mean a big loud noisy thing vs walking through a crowded place sticking a knife in people as this kid seems to have done.

The attack in China was carried out by a large group of people (not just one person), which explains why there were deaths. If those same people each had a semi-automatic which could fire 30 bullets a second, they could kill hundreds.

You have no clue what a semi-automatic is, do you?

I'm not one for banning gans in the US, but there is a big difference between a knife and a semi-automatic weapon. Only a moron would think otherwise.

Oh dear...

DeVore

srsly78 wrote: »

Wouldn't have happened if the kids had guns.

You mean like they have in Fort Hood? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting

MadsL

DeVore wrote: »

You mean like they have in Fort Hood? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting

Hmmm...service personnel are generally prohibited from carrying on base.

artanevilla

There should be a US school attack megathread.

MadsL

artanevilla wrote: »

There should be a US school attack megathread.

Oh, are they all identical?

SharpshooterTom

MadsL wrote: »

Oh dear...

Oh really, so you think the average person can inflict the same number of deaths with a knife compared to a gun or a semi-automatic (no I'm not an expert on specific guns, bare with me) but I assuming those which can fire multiple rounds rapidly can kill ultimately a lot more people than a person repeating an action swinging a knife around?

artanevilla

Well there's a lot of them.

MadsL

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Oh really, so you think the average person can inflict the same number of deaths with a knife compared to a gun or a semi-automatic (no I'm not an expert on specific guns, bare with me) but I assuming those which can fire multiple rounds rapidly can kill ultimately a lot more people than a person repeating an action swinging a knife around?

A semi-auto will fire loudly at best 12-15 rounds per minute before overheating. In a crowd (as happened here) this kid stabbed 20 before anyone really had a clue what was happening.

That said I don't dwell on the most efficient way to kill lots of people, I leave you to that.

DeVore

All the same, it would appear no one was killed. If he was armed, that would probably not be true of 20 casualties...

MadsL

artanevilla wrote: »

Well there's a lot of them.

There are a lot of repeated topics on AH too, do you want a traveller mega-thread, etc.

MadsL

DeVore wrote: »

All the same, it would appear no one was killed. If he was armed, that would probably not be true of 20 casualties...

95% of people shot recover if receiving medical treatment swiftly. Surprising huh?

Stab wounds in the stomach are nasty things to treat however.

dark crystal

MadsL wrote: »

In Europe? Whilst there has been no shootings in a school in Ireland, there have been several in the UK with even more restrictive gun laws than Ireland. Your statement doesn't make any logical sense.

It just doesn't make any logical sense to you because you don't agree with stricter laws for gun control, but what I stated was true. You can't even compare the amount of mass shootings in the UK to those in the US - it's nowhere near.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10516913/Interactive-graphic-the-23-US-mass-shootings-since-Sandy-Hook.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/10216955

Anyway, I'm not getting drawn into this argument with you, as it will inevitably be a pointless one given your hardline stance on the issue.

MadsL

dark crystal wrote: »

It just doesn't make any logical sense to you because you don't agree with stricter laws for gun control, but what I stated was true. You can't even compare the amount of mass shootings in the UK to those in the US - it's nowhere near.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10516913/Interactive-graphic-the-23-US-mass-shootings-since-Sandy-Hook.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/10216955

Anyway, I'm not getting drawn into this argument with you, as it will inevitably be a pointless one given your hardline stance on the issue.

Your argument is that gun control prevents school shootings. Which is patently untrue and illogical. Examples in Germany and Finland already provided to you demonstrate that.

What is 'hardline' about logic?

SharpshooterTom

MadsL wrote: »

That said I don't dwell on the most efficient way to kill lots of people, I leave you to that.

Oh nice, so because you politically disagree with me on the use of guns (I'm not advocating banning all guns btw, only those which cause most deaths quicker than others and thus are probably unecessary for public use) you equate me with somebody who has an interest in seeing massacre's?

Well yeah, if a lunatic is preparing to kill people, I would want him, as a dangerous member of society, to have restrictions on what he possibly can attain that would prevent him from killing as many people as possible and lowering any potential fatalities. Wouldn't that not be sensible?

Wompa1

MadsL wrote: »

In Europe? Whilst there has been no shootings in a school in Ireland, there have been several in the UK with even more restrictive gun laws than Ireland.

How about mass shootings?

The most persuasive argument against gun control I have heard is that you are taking the guns out of the hands of the regular Joe and basically un-arming them while the criminals will be armed. But then I don't see why the answer is that everybody should have guns....it just means get the illegal guns off the streets. It's impossible? No, it's very, very difficult and would take years and years and years but it could be done if people wanted it...people don't want it.

The only argument against gun control that would be legit is, I want my gun and I don't care who has to die for me to keep it.

If it's about the perceived Freedoms of living in America, I'd call BS on that too.

Where I live people don't have to wear helmets when riding a motorcycle. Yet, it's the law to wear a seatbelt in a car.

It's perfectly legal to play the lottery each week or even go to a track and bet but it's illegal to play online poker. You don't see pubs with slot machines or fast food places.

There's so many inconsistencies with policies and this idea of freedom. At some point people need to realize that freedom is a myth, no matter what country you live in. Policies don't have to be seen as evil, they can be shaped to protect the masses and ensure a higher standard of living. In the US people get f**ked beyond belief. It's a pressure cooker which also just happens to have ample prescription drugs being prescribed by crooked doctors and plenty of weaponary available.

The American people work so hard, they deserve much, much better

Gringo180

MadsL wrote: »

Because school shootings never happen in normal countries like Germany or Finland,
.

As your link proves the vast jority of these incidents happens in the states. Out of the top 40 massacres 16 of them have happened in the U.S.

srsly78

Wouldn't have happened if the soldiers had guns.

mikom

MadsL wrote: »

Because school shootings never happen in normal countries like Germany or Finland,

Interesting........
The largest ethnic group in the U.S. are German-Americans.

The Diabolical Monocle

dilallio wrote: »

Of course the National Riflemans Association (NRA) will come out with a statement that if the victims were armed, this unfortunate incident could have been averted.

lol. didn't take long did it.

the clear solution to violence in society is to keep everyone armed.

guns for all ... and peace on all mankind.



(come to think of it ... why just guns... butcher knives for all, be it a teacher or a judge, open or concealed carry, smaller 'my first butcher knife' for the youngsters)

dark crystal

MadsL wrote: »

Your argument is that gun control prevents school shootings. Which is patently untrue and illogical. Examples in Germany and Finland already provided to you demonstrate that.

What is 'hardline' about logic?

I didn't say prevent, you did. I didn't say school shootings, either.

If you're unwilling to compare the statistics, I'm not going to get into an argument with you about what's true and logical and what's not, because it will be futile.

BurnsCarpenter

MadsL wrote: »

Your argument is that gun control prevents school shootings. Which is patently untrue and illogical. Examples in Germany and Finland already provided to you demonstrate that.

What is 'hardline' about logic?

Gun control limits the potential for a serious rampage with a high fatality rate. You can't seriously try to deny this.

artanevilla

MadsL wrote: »

There are a lot of repeated topics on AH too, do you want a traveller mega-thread, etc.

No but I might make the same joke in a traveller thread.

EyeSight

Gringo180 wrote: »

Doesnt surprise me in the slightest, America is one really screwed up country.

Yesterday there was a thread about someone in Ireland smashing a mans head in while he slept in his car. Lets now call Ireland a messed up country :rolleyes: