Landini ignition problem

Greengrass1

Landini here has stopped starting on ignition.
Dash works fine.
Connected the two wires on the solenoids on top of gear box but still nothing working.
Would the ignition. Be faulty?
Very same as 390 t with the gearbox to the right in cab

Mad4simmental

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Landini here has stopped starting on ignition.
Dash works fine.
Connected the two wires on the solenoids on top of gear box but still nothing working.
Would the ignition. Be faulty?
Very same as 390 t with the gearbox to the right in cab

You probably did it all reddy, but did you try give the starter solenoid a slap of a hammer? They get stuck when they are on the way out.

jt65

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Landini here has stopped starting on ignition.
Dash works fine.
Connected the two wires on the solenoids on top of gear box but still nothing working.
Would the ignition. Be faulty?
Very same as 390 t with the gearbox to the right in cab

key switch goes in them

easy to eliminate by crossing the wires on the solenoid , but make sure, double sure, double double certain tractor is out of gear

also the earth leads to the chassis gets corroded

a lucas switch will fit, about €12 if its the swich that's faulty

Greengrass1

Mad4simmental wrote: »

You probably did it all reddy, but did you try give the starter solenoid a slap of a hammer? They get stuck when they are on the way out.

Starter works. That's how I'm starting her

Greengrass1

jt65 wrote: »

key switch goes in them

easy to eliminate by crossing the wires on the solenoid , but make sure, double sure, double double certain tractor is out of gear

also the earth leads to the chassis gets corroded

a lucas switch will fit, about €12 if its the swich that's faulty

Crossed the wires on the solenoids. Didn't work

larrymiller

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Crossed the wires on the solenoids. Didn't work

New engine.

Greengrass1

larrymiller wrote: »

New engine.

Ah go way I've had enough of tractor engines.
Ah the electronics in a landini wouldn't have the best rep for good electrics

tomwaterford

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Starter works. That's how I'm starting her

is it pull stop or electronic stop....could be live to injector pump!!

Greengrass1

tomwaterford wrote: »

is it pull stop or electronic stop....could be live to injector pump!!

Pull stop. Dash works. Lifts don't and she won't start on ignition

tomwaterford

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Pull stop. Dash works. Lifts don't and she won't start on ignition

deos it turn over on the starter like??
maybe bocked fuel filter/lift pump
(im assuming its mechanical since its manual pull stop:o)

was it down on power or any other symtoms with a bit??

Greengrass1

tomwaterford wrote: »

deos it turn over on the starter like??
maybe bocked fuel filter/lift pump
(im assuming its mechanical since its manual pull stop:o)

was it down on power or any other symtoms with a bit??

Nope perfect in every other way only wontvstart on ignition .
Starts when you cross the starter.
Nothing happened s when you turn the key though

tomwaterford

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Nope perfect in every other way only wontvstart on ignition .
Starts when you cross the starter.
Nothing happened s when you turn the key though

only one thing is...if its same as an MF390T there is a relay after ignition switch in some of them that (last of them I think)
if not its faulty ignition switch (check make sure no wire gone off back first)
cheap enough fix anyway:)

Mad4simmental

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Nope perfect in every other way only wontvstart on ignition .
Starts when you cross the starter.
Nothing happened s when you turn the key though

Must be an ignition switch or rusty earth so. If its handy get at the ignition switch try cross the wires at that.
Ie I'm thinking your getting your constant live power your earth but not your ignition power if you get me.

Greengrass1

Mad4simmental wrote: »

Must be an ignition switch or rusty earth so. If its handy get at the ignition switch try cross the wires at that.
Ie I'm thinking your getting your constant live power your earth but not your ignition power if you get me.

I'll have to get a phase tester for that.

Tom there's 4 relays behind the dash. Would they be all the relays in her?

If the earth was rusty would the dash still work

Mad4simmental

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I'll have to get a phase tester for that.

Tom there's 4 relays behind the dash. Would they be all the relays in her?

If the earth was rusty would the dash still work

You might get anof contact for lights on dash but not turn over. I'd say its more got to do with the ignition wire itself or in the switch.
Not sure about the relays try swapping them around, worth a go.

tomwaterford

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I'll have to get a phase tester for that.

Tom there's 4 relays behind the dash. Would they be all the relays in her?

If the earth was rusty would the dash still work

most likely one of them (asumming it using relay method)...which one...jesus its a long time since I was under dash in a 390...cant remember tbh...most hadn't them but newer ones had...think it used to be a spec on them!!

I would nearly bet its the ignition switch packed up...was there intermitant problems on it??
trace the wire back up from the starter to mutiplug behind dash and then follow couler from multiplug inside cab...to either your relay or ignition switch

or else get a switch (I think the most will be is e30 for switch and relay e8...dunno if relay main dealer part or bog standred relay now tbh)
and try the switch
if switch excessive dear you can drill as and put push button onto it with live from battery and going to starter (obviously put fuse inline onto wire)

jt65

tomwaterford wrote: »

most likely one of them (asumming it using relay method)...which one...jesus its a long time since I was under dash in a 390...cant remember tbh...most hadn't them but newer ones had...think it used to be a spec on them!!

I would nearly bet its the ignition switch packed up...was there intermitant problems on it??
trace the wire back up from the starter to mutiplug behind dash and then follow couler from multiplug inside cab...to either your relay or ignition switch

or else get a switch (I think the most will be is e30 for switch and relay e8...dunno if relay main dealer part or bog standred relay now tbh)
and try the switch
if switch excessive dear you can drill as and put push button onto it with live from battery and going to starter (obviously put fuse inline onto wire)

I stuck a lucas switch in one of them €12 ... straight fit ,

Greengrass1

tomwaterford wrote: »

most likely one of them (asumming it using relay method)...which one...jesus its a long time since I was under dash in a 390...cant remember tbh...most hadn't them but newer ones had...think it used to be a spec on them!!

I would nearly bet its the ignition switch packed up...was there intermitant problems on it??
trace the wire back up from the starter to mutiplug behind dash and then follow couler from multiplug inside cab...to either your relay or ignition switch

or else get a switch (I think the most will be is e30 for switch and relay e8...dunno if relay main dealer part or bog standred relay now tbh)
and try the switch
if switch excessive dear you can drill as and put push button onto it with live from battery and going to starter (obviously put fuse inline onto wire)

Ye it worked grand up until last month.
Last year after the lifts stopped working I would have to hop the tractor off a rut to get them to work.
Then they stopped working altogether.
I spent two days last year trying to get them working before that.
I've spent last two days tracing wires as well. The whole cab is taken apart.

I had a lad looking at lifts last month and he said that the power for the memory of the lifts was there but the power that cones on when you start the tractor up wasn't there.
I've put a straight wire from battery into the fuse board for the lifts but still no joy so the ignition must be wrong.

tomwaterford

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Ye it worked grand up until last month.
Last year after the lifts stopped working I would have to hop the tractor off a rut to get them to work.
Then they stopped working altogether.
I spent two days last year trying to get them working before that.
I've spent last two days tracing wires as well. The whole cab is taken apart.

I had a lad looking at lifts last month and he said that the power for the memory of the lifts was there but the power that cones on when you start the tractor up wasn't there.
I've put a straight wire from battery into the fuse board for the lifts but still no joy so the ignition must be wrong.

hopfully its the ignition switch....you are getting deep if not....could be faulty lift module(also known as ecu)...these aren't 390 spec:)..closer to 42 series or 54/64 series

you would need wiring diagram/workshop manual before you go deep....could be faulty lift switch....youll get nothing done until ignition sorted...are you near main dealer some great diagonistics out there....you are kinda shooting abit in the dark unless you know these inside out:)
diagonistics will cut down/point you in right direction...

a lot of these used mA to work them...be carefull running wires direct to them!!!....youll be ok with live direct to starter with fuse obviously

what year is it??

Greengrass1

tomwaterford wrote: »

hopfully its the ignition switch....you are getting deep if not....could be faulty lift module(also known as ecu)...these aren't 390 spec:)..closer to 42 series or 54/64 series

you would need wiring diagram/workshop manual before you go deep....could be faulty lift switch....youll get nothing done until ignition sorted...are you near main dealer some great diagonistics out there....you are kinda shooting abit in the dark unless you know these inside out:)
diagonistics will cut down/point you in right direction...

a lot of these used mA to work them...be carefull running wires direct to them!!!....youll be ok with live direct to starter with fuse obviously

what year is it??

We had ECU looked at and its supposedly perfect.
Your man hooked up the permenant supply with the temporary supply that comes on when tractor starts up so the unit does work.
She's 99.
We went to main dealer and got wiring diagrams alright but never got the other lad back.
Dealer told us it was the only one sold in Ireland with electric lifts and acre meter

tomwaterford

Greengrass1 wrote: »

We had ECU looked at and its supposedly perfect.
Your man hooked up the permenant supply with the temporary supply that comes on when tractor starts up so the unit does work.
She's 99.
We went to main dealer and got wiring diagrams alright but never got the other lad back.
Dealer told us it was the only one sold in Ireland with electric lifts and acre meter

I was thinking it must be rare with electric lifts....as a lot of 42 series have the manual controls....have heard of some electric:o

sure if you got your electric diagrams your man will be able to sort it out:)


hopfully just ign switch

on a side-note....its a pity there isn't widely available OBD (onboard diagonistics) for tractors/plant machinery to suit most brands, like there is for cars....it would make small/independant garages more sustainable....I know there was talk of it before in the EU under competition law....
never heard anymore after....it would really open the market up as most software is practically main dealer only

Rovi

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frazzledhome

Ring your Massey man and tell him to hurry

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Ring your Massey man and tell him to hurry

Feckin waiting on them the last week.

Reggie.

frazzledhome wrote: »

Ring your Massey man and tell him to hurry

I like your style

SuperTortoise

Corrosion on the earth lead i'd say, it's getting enough power to light the dash but not enough to turn over.
Disconnect earth and make sure the contacts are nice and shiny on both ends.

Greengrass1

SuperTortoise wrote: »

Corrosion on the earth lead i'd say, it's getting enough power to light the dash but not enough to turn over.
Disconnect earth and make sure the contacts are nice and shiny on both ends.

Did that today. No go

SuperTortoise

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Did that today. No go

I had the same problem last year with my landini, cleaning the earth solved it for a while but it came back and this time it was a problem with a connector running through to the dash, there was corrosion on a few of the contacts where the wiring was joined.
Hard to explain but it's where they join just before entering the inside of the cab if that makes any sense, might be worth checking out.
It was either corrosion or they were not properly inserted into the joiner box.

jt65

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Did that today. No go

did you check the connectors on the cable internally ?

where abouts are you ? I'm doing a factory run to Kildare wed eve or thur morn , if any where near the M7 would diagnose that for you in a few minutes

Greengrass1

jt65 wrote: »

did you check the connectors on the cable internally ?

where abouts are you ? I'm doing a factory run to Kildare wed eve or thur morn , if any where near the M7 would diagnose that for you in a few minutes

Ye I've checked all joiners and redid any suspicious ones. And still nothing. Got a new ignition this morning so I'll see if it's that but I don't think it will be.

I'm a good distance from Kildare. I'm near enniscorth iiin wexford

Timmaay

Our landini had a loose earth going into the main fuseboard in the dash last yr, tractor was very temperament starting. Took ages to find the fault as there is about 30 earth wires all in a bundle going into the fuseboard.

Anyways ok enough about your landinis problems gg, anyone able to help me, mine is idling very rough, revs up and down all the time. It isn't cutting out but just will not run right. Regularly serviced and all that, definitely a clean diesel filter, it did this last year while we had the earth problems, we also put in 2l of engine oil to the diesel, which supposedly helps lub the fuel pump. It stopped doing it for a while but back to it now. Anyone any ideas?

jt65

Timmaay wrote: »

Our landini had a loose earth going into the main fuseboard in the dash last yr, tractor was very temperament starting. Took ages to find the fault as there is about 30 earth wires all in a bundle going into the fuseboard.

Anyways ok enough about your landinis problems gg, anyone able to help me, mine is idling very rough, revs up and down all the time. It isn't cutting out but just will not run right. Regularly serviced and all that, definitely a clean diesel filter, it did this last year while we had the earth problems, we also put in 2l of engine oil to the diesel, which supposedly helps lub the fuel pump. It stopped doing it for a while but back to it now. Anyone any ideas?

sounds like the pump, if taking it off may as well whip out the injectors as well

what hours are on it ?

we have a 9880 coming on 12k hours, engine never touched,

Greengrass1

Try new lift pump Tim.
Regular enough thing to be changed here on the case

tomwaterford

Timmaay wrote: »

Our landini had a loose earth going into the main fuseboard in the dash last yr, tractor was very temperament starting. Took ages to find the fault as there is about 30 earth wires all in a bundle going into the fuseboard.

Anyways ok enough about your landinis problems gg, anyone able to help me, mine is idling very rough, revs up and down all the time. It isn't cutting out but just will not run right. Regularly serviced and all that, definitely a clean diesel filter, it did this last year while we had the earth problems, we also put in 2l of engine oil to the diesel, which supposedly helps lub the fuel pump. It stopped doing it for a while but back to it now. Anyone any ideas?

is it electric or manual lift pump???

electric lift pumps can be prone to problems AFAIK

should make buzzing noise (sometimes will still make this noise but lower)

failing that unless you have blockage from tank...im afraid it sounds like an injector pump:)

Patrick1981

Lads anyone know anything about electric lift on a powermondial? Nothing working except the light marked " ! " is flashing. Can let arms up and down from buttons on mudguards