Guardian PC Bullsh*t ...

the_monkey

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/apr/04/everyday-sexism-turn-tables-women-men-video

Over reacting a bit ?

Ridicolous, if women did that for real it would be funny ffs!!!

the_monkey

the_monkey wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/apr/04/everyday-sexism-turn-tables-women-men-video

Over reacting a bit ?

Ridicolous, if women did that for real it would be funny ffs!!!

What's PC about it?

Funny once or twice. Even a few times.

Every day for years on end? Loses it's appeal.

Donkey Oaty

The most popular reaction on the Guardian's website is:

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Gotham

Many of the scenarios in that video are not sexism.
Catcalling for example can offend people, but it's not always sexism. Replace many of those scenarios with entirely gay men and you can see there's nothing sexist about it, it's based off attraction not sex. I'm not excusing people being rude, but claiming sexism all the time is getting tiresome.

That's not to say some scenarios like the hardware store one aren't sexist.

Davarus Walrus

The video shows a woman making sexist remarks towards a randomly selected group of men. Now unless these randomly selected group of men are all sexists themselves, then this is an exercise in utter futility. It highlights nothing, and ironically enough, the concept could be construed as rather sexist itself.

The Guardian has really gone down hill as a newspaper.

RDM_83 again

Ah the Guardian CiF pages are a great place to find out what the most serious issues in society are (if society consists of those people that work in the media in central London!)

I do love how she actually manages to pull a guy by saying straight out she wants to go home with him though he has to go to the bank first that does show a gender difference though probably not the one she was intending.

On a serious note though its a completely pointless exercise as illustrated by the way most of the guys are responding by simply being bemused by her.

When I was younger late teens early 20's (before being baldy and beardy ) I would often get this sort of negative attention (in bars) from drunk middle aged woman (and they were always middle aged :mad: ), I found it as annoying and disrespectful as fcuk BUT to me it wasn't threatening whereas in a roles reverse situation, 40+ man slapping the ass of a 19 year old woman I can imagine it would be.
Which leads to the question should we look at what the action is from a strictly neutral standpoint or do we have to be 'sexist' and take into account gender dynamics.

Muise...

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Ah the Guardian CiF pages are a great place to find out what the most serious issues in society are (if society consists of those people that work in the media in central London!)

I do love how she actually manages to pull a guy by saying straight out she wants to go home with him though he has to go to the bank first that does show a gender difference though probably not the one she was intending.

On a serious note though its a completely pointless exercise as illustrated by the way most of the guys are responding by simply being bemused by her.

When I was younger late teens early 20's (before being baldy and beardy ) I would often get this sort of negative attention (in bars) from drunk middle aged woman (and they were always middle aged :mad: ), I found it as annoying and disrespectful as fcuk BUT to me it wasn't threatening whereas in a roles reverse situation, 40+ man slapping the ass of a 19 year old woman I can imagine it would be.
Which leads to the question should we look at what the action is from a strictly neutral standpoint or do we have to be 'sexist' and take into account gender dynamics.

That's how I've always found it too. You might start out bemused; it can be occasionally bemusing, funny even, but mostly it gets on one's (evidently remarkable) tits. I think the dynamics should be gender + experience.

conorhal

She's kinda cute, I'd have gotten my arse out.

Potatoeman

The guys dont seem too bothered. What are they trying to show us?

MS.ing

great video, funny too. when I noticed it was the guardian you were linking to I didnt realise it was all about the comments section (cause its not about the article cause there is none) so it must be about the comments section but just like youtube vids I generally dont read the comments section for vids.

hatrickpatrick

Oh dear God, this thread is going to be fun

Greenmachine

Did she actually go home with the guy who went to the atm. :0

suicide_circus

Not condoning sexism or yobs wolf whistling at women but on the very few occasions a group of women (hen party/drunk girls) have shouted obscenities at me, I couldn't help help walking away with the Bee Gees "Stayin' Alive" playing in my head.

MS.ing

Greenmachine wrote: »

Did she actually go home with the guy who went to the atm. :0

yes. they cant show that for obvious reasons though

Mike747

What's the point? Drunk women do this all the time. And grope men in nightclubs.

KungPao

Mike747 wrote: »

What's the point? Drunk women do this all the time. And grope men in nightclubs.

They never grope me

jimgoose

Reminds me of Sid the Sexist, for some reason: "Eee, 'ow pet ma name's Sid, d'yer fancy a fook? Nah? Would yer mind lying doon while Ah 'ave one?"

Tombo2001

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

The video shows a woman making sexist remarks towards a randomly selected group of men. Now unless these randomly selected group of men are all sexists themselves, then this is an exercise in utter futility. It highlights nothing, and ironically enough, the concept could be construed as rather sexist itself.

The Guardian has really gone down hill as a newspaper.

The object of the exercise is to make people/ men think about sexism in every day life and what it would be like on the receiving end.

To that end, I'd agree that is pointless, because its male Guardian readers really arent the people causing the problem in the first place......

She is speaking to the converted. Try to get the same article into the Mirror.

Green Diesel

"I need to go to the bank first" :pac:

classic.

topper75

I always get my "builder's" on in summertime just to drive girls like that wild. They always want what they can't have.

Karl Stein

I found it quite funny.

AndonHandon

This video is an example of how men and women are NOT equal!

Most men would get an ego boost out of those comments whereas most women would feel uncomfortable!

MRnotlob606

if she would of telling me to get my arse out i would of rubbing my builders crack in her face

upstairs for coffee

Why does the description of the video say she went "undercover"?

She wore a camera on her top but that doesn't make her "undercover". Completely odd, cheap frills story that will get the Social Justice Brigade all giddy and excited

Karl Stein

AndonHandon wrote: »

Most men would get an ego boost out of those comments whereas most women would feel uncomfortable!

Most of the men were uncomfortable with it.

zetalambda

And surprise surprise, she got the same reaction that Men get when they behave like that!
I think a much bigger issue the the amount of female only gyms around. I wonder what would happen if we had male only clubs and organizations? Oh, hang on a minute, we do, golf clubs spring to mind and look at the fuss some women have kicked up over that. Cases in the high court and everything.

WilyCoyote

Most women would get an ego boost but they have to register some manufactured indignation first. This is the kind of PC front that drives The Grauniad readers.

I mean, "Get your tits out for the boys" and you're a Bolshy, sexist pig

"Oi, button up there luv", and you're a control artist.

Sigh, men just can't win

I was going to say "If only women were more like my Mum", but I won't as I'd probably get more stick.

WilyCoyote

WilyCoyote wrote: »

I mean, "Get your tits out for the boys" and you're a Bolshy, sexist pig

"Oi, button up there luv", and you're a control artist.

Sigh, men just can't win

Because those are the only two options?

Femme_Fatale

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Most women would get an ego boost but they have to register some manufactured indignation first...

I mean, "Get your tits out for the boys" and you're a Bolshy, sexist pig

"Oi, button up there luv", and you're a control artist.

Sigh, men just can't win

What the f'ucking fuk? Ever since "Men should be able to hit women" the other night it seems this stuff is getting crazier.
(From a minority for sure, but still... crazier).

I'd be easygoing about wolf-whistles and the like tbh, but no way would I be arrogant enough to decide everyone else should feel the same way as me.

Holsten

What a stupid video.

Femme_Fatale

AndonHandon wrote: »

Most men would get an ego boost out of those comments

Sure about that?

upstairs for coffee

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Most women would get an ego boost but they have to register some manufactured indignation first. This is the kind of PC front that drives The Grauniad readers.

I mean, "Get your tits out for the boys" and you're a Bolshy, sexist pig

"Oi, button up there luv", and you're a control artist.

Sigh, men just can't win

I was going to say "If only women were more like my Mum", but I won't as I'd probably get more stick.

Maybe if people stopped making inappropiate comments.

Seeing an attractive person, male or female, and yelling some obscene inappropriate comment just makes a situation awkward. Yelling a sexual based comment will not lead to sex unless it is porn.

Muise...

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Most women would get an ego boost but they have to register some manufactured indignation first. This is the kind of PC front that drives The Grauniad readers.

I mean, "Get your tits out for the boys" and you're a Bolshy, sexist pig

"Oi, button up there luv", and you're a control artist.

Sigh, men just can't win

I was going to say "If only women were more like my Mum", but I won't as I'd probably get more stick.

I think you accidentally yore ma. :eek:

Frank Lee Midere

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Sure about that?

I'd welcome a few comments from random hottish females about my pants on the floor. They'd get my number...

( the men in the video were surprised not mostly annoyed. And the editing was fast).

That said man are not women. All men who are overly sexual agressive to women are a perceived threat given the reality of the rape stats. So this video is nonsense but it's hardly PC gone mad for women to complain about catcalls. Etc.

Femme_Fatale

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

What the f'ucking fuk? Ever since "Men should be able to hit women" the other night it seems this stuff is getting crazier.
(From a minority for sure, but still... crazier).

Whaaa??

Frank Lee Midere

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Most women would get an ego boost but they have to register some manufactured indignation first. This is the kind of PC front that drives The Grauniad readers.

I mean, "Get your tits out for the boys" and you're a Bolshy, sexist pig

"Oi, button up there luv", and you're a control artist.

Sigh, men just can't win

I was going to say "If only women were more like my Mum", but I won't as I'd probably get more stick.

How about saying "nice day".

Frank Lee Midere

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

How about saying "nice day".

That would make sense, but it'd deny him the chance to be victimised by a false dichotomy.

eviltwin

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Most women would get an ego boost but they have to register some manufactured indignation first. This is the kind of PC front that drives The Grauniad readers.

I mean, "Get your tits out for the boys" and you're a Bolshy, sexist pig

"Oi, button up there luv", and you're a control artist.

Sigh, men just can't win

I was going to say "If only women were more like my Mum", but I won't as I'd probably get more stick.

Just because you think it doesn't mean you should say it. I can't speak for all women but if I heard "get your tits out" I wouldn't feel good about myself, I would feel uncomfortable, embarrassed and intimidated. The one time it did happen to me I was alone walking at night and was followed by the two twats who shouted it which left me feeling scared ****less. Most humans seem to be able to get through life without shouting random comments of that nature to the opposite sex, its not that difficult.

Pug160

I don't doubt that women experience that, but from what I gather, it varies a lot from place to place. I've only ever witnessed it on a couple of occasions and was quite embarrassed for the men. But I do wonder if it's blown out of proportion. The video was mildly entertaining but if they're trying to send out some sort of message, I think there are better ways.

RDM_83 again

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

I'd welcome a few comments from random hottish females about my pants on the floor. They'd get my number...

( the men in the video were surprised not mostly annoyed. And the editing was fast).

As far as I have seen it seems to be woman less of the "hottish" end of things and more similar to a certain Viz comic strip featuring two woman with weight problems in their middle years (that should ruin any PC brownie points I have built up )

Does the same apply to men who catcall woman too I wonder though

Muise...

RDM_83 again wrote: »

As far as I have seen it seems to be woman less of the "hottish" end of things and more similar to a certain Viz comic strip featuring two woman with weight problems in their middle years (that should ruin any PC brownie points I have built up )

Does the same apply to men who catcall woman too I wonder though

Yes, IME, as the sneery leer of someone who likes to embarrass/annoy/intimidate others in public will immediately cast ugliness over even a handsome face.

Pug160

To me, it's just a reflection of someone who's unsophisticated socially. There are obviously no statistics but I'd be amazed if this (in general) is not just a subset of working class men. Most men - working class or otherwise - wouldn't be seen dead behaving that way. It's probably just a case of a small minority repeating the same actions over and over again and making some women believe it's more widespread than it actually is. IMO there are far more men out there who are too shy too say anything to a woman - let alone catcall at them. Pubs and clubs are a different matter altogether but that's a discussion for another thread.

GalwayGuy2

You know, I know a great way to raise awareness about men's rights.

I'm going to record myself calling random women pedophiles. Oh and randomly running to someone and telling them to 'man up'.

Oh yeah, and if I think someone's staring at my arms, I am definetly going to stare at a a random person's dick/boobs.

It doesn't matter if the person themselves are sexist, but, you know, I gotta turn the tables.

The video is just kind of weird tbh. I could understand raising awareness but it's just...weird.

Legs.Eleven

Pug160 wrote: »

I don't doubt that women experience that, but from what I gather, it varies a lot from place to place. I've only ever witnessed it on a couple of occasions and was quite embarrassed for the men. But I do wonder if it's blown out of proportion. The video was mildly entertaining but if they're trying to send out some sort of message, I think there are better ways.

I'd say Ireland is grand for it from my experience. Definitely got more of it living in London. Here in Madrid it happens a few times a day.


The video is pointless though.

ivytwine

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

How about saying "nice day".

Evenin', Ma'am.

humbert

You have being a knacker being labelled sexism (yelling from a vehicle, it's not just women those type of people yell at, it's everyone with less knuckle hair than them) and then you have hitting on women being labelled sexism. Swing and a miss.

Legs.Eleven

humbert wrote: »

You have being a knacker being labelled sexism (yelling from a vehicle, it's not just women those type of people yell at, it's everyone with less knuckle hair than them) and then you have hitting on women being labelled sexism. Swing and a miss.

Have ye had a few shcoops tonight? Your post makes zero sense.

humbert

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I'm drunk and can't understand your post.

Hmm.

GalwayGuy2

I am so confused right now.

Legs.Eleven

humbert wrote: »

Hmm.

I've only had 10 beers. How many have you had?

Pug160

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Have ye had a few shcoops tonight? Your post makes zero sense.

I think he means some people simply have no class, and that certain sections of society label it as sexism when it's simply unsophisticated people being unsophisticated. That's part of the point I was making in an earlier post. That's not to say that all rough and ready people are knuckle dragging imbeciles - far from it. But certain people have no class in all areas of their life unfortunately.