Rehab CEO to step down

joe316

Just heard on newstalk (so no link) that Angela Kerns is to step down, anyone want to make a call on how much she'll get in a pension pot? I'm going for half a mil.

Good riddance, you deserve your retirement after destroying the good name of a good charity.

efb

Bertie's girl riding off into the sunset...

efb

http://youtu.be/KUmZp8pR1uc

Oryx

Will her replacement be any better (or cheaper)?

michael999999

There must be another story on the way!

Karl Stein

The receiving of one 1 cent, or more, of public money should require absolute financial transparency on the part of the organisation that receives it. Don't like it? Go away.

diomed

How much?

galwayrush

Don't worry, her pension pot will suffice her lifestyle and she'll be re hired within a week as a consultant for something.

sillyoulfool

Karl Stein wrote: »

The receiving of one 1 cent, or more, of public money should require absolute financial transparency on the part of the organisation that receives it. Don't like it? Go away.

Me hole!
Rehab don't get state handouts, they sell their services to the state, a state which could, but chooses not provide those services directly.
By your logic any individual receiving child benefit, mortgage relief, or the pension should have to publish their personal financial details.

SPDUB

Newstalk is reporting it on their 8am news but for some reason absolutely nobody appears to be mentioning it even with an attribution to a Newstalk report

Karl Stein

Me hole!
Rehab don't get state handouts, they sell their services to the state, a state which could, but chooses not provide those services directly.

So? Taxpayers have a right to know how their money is being spent, regardless.

By your logic any individual receiving child benefit, mortgage relief, or the pension should have to publish their personal financial details.

Apples and oranges.

Potatoeman

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Me hole!
Rehab don't get state handouts, they sell their services to the state, a state which could, but chooses not provide those services directly.
By your logic any individual receiving child benefit, mortgage relief, or the pension should have to publish their personal financial details.

Do you have any issue with what she was doing?

SPDUB

RTE now reporting it as well

Potatoeman

SPDUB wrote: »

Newstalk is reporting it on their 8am news but for some reason absolutely nobody appears to be mentioning it even with an attribution to a Newstalk report

It's pretty obvious the bad press made her position untenable. She made the whole mess far worse herself and done major damage to the charity.

Dr Strange

Interesting development. Wasn't she supposed to appear before PAC on Thursday?

sillyoulfool

Karl Stein wrote: »

So? Taxpayers have a right to know how their money is being spent, regardless.

No they don't actually.
They have a right to question why the State buys certain things, they have NO right to question why the entity which is selling to the state charges X or Y price or what it pays its staff.
None of their business.

sillyoulfool

Potatoeman wrote: »

Do you have any issue with what she was doing?

Private entity, none of business what she was doing, if Rehab customers (the state) don't like it they can shop elsewhere for the services they were purchasing.

humanji

So going with the current government theme, I'm guessing some new scandal is about to be exposed and she's jumping ship now to make sure she keeps her pension.

Dempsey

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Private entity, none of business what she was doing, if Rehab customers (the state) don't like it they can shop elsewhere for the services they were purchasing.

Any company working with the government should be held to higher standards on transparency.

Karl Stein

sillyoulfool wrote: »

They have a right to question why the State buys certain things, they have NO right to question why the entity which is selling to the state charges X or Y price or what it pays its staff.

Which is why I said:

Karl Stein wrote: »

The receiving .. of public money should require absolute financial transparency

None of their business.

Em.. yes it is. That's why herself and others are being called before the PAC. It very much is our business where public money goes.

sillyoulfool

humanji wrote: »

So going with the current government theme, I'm guessing some new scandal is about to be exposed and she's jumping ship now to make sure she keeps her pension.

She is not a government employee and her pension would not be an issue.
I do note though that unlike TD's and public servants her pension is defined contribution and not defined benefit.

Karl Stein

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Private entity

Bull. If it's in receipt of public money it automatically attracts the attention of the public. Why do you think this whole Rehab scandal has been exposed?

sillyoulfool

Karl Stein wrote: »

Which is why I said:





Em.. yes it is. That's why herself and others are being called before the PAC. It very much is our business where public money goes.

It is our business how the government spends our money, it is not our business how private companies operate their affairs so long as they are operating legally. Just because the government is a customer of Rehab does not give us any additional rights over Rehab which is a private entity.
The PAC can only enquire into whether or not it thinks the government got value for money for its custom.

Lu Tze

Dempsey wrote: »

Any company working with the government should be held to higher standards on transparency.

Look up all the supply contracts on etenders website, should the salaries of all people working in the companies which supply various public bodies have their salary disclosed and in the public domain ?

Presumably all PS /CS exact salaries and expenses should be in the public domain aswell, nice big list of names and their cost to the tax payer. Great for the nosey neighbour

humanji

sillyoulfool wrote:

She is not a government employee and her pension would not be an issue.
I do note though that unlike TD's and public servants her pension is defined contribution and not defined benefit.

Never said she was a government employee, just that with current trends in government related scandals, someone always "retires voluntarily" just before another scandal creeps up.

sillyoulfool

Karl Stein wrote: »

Bull. If it's in receipt of public money it automatically attracts the attention of the public. Why do you think this whole Rehab scandal has been exposed?

Dell gets public money when the government buy a laptop, Lyons get public money if the government buy teabags, doesn't give the taxpayer any addition rights to question how much those companys staff earn.:)

Karl Stein

sillyoulfool wrote: »

It is our business how the government spends our money

And how do we know how it is being spent if we don't know where public money is going? Do you have a vested interest?

Murt10

Wasn't there something about a property deal that never happened and her being flown here and there in a helicopter and wined and dined by the builder/developer looking to buy the land that the CRC was built on.


Later denied by Kerrins (huh!)


Link http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-spent-100000-entertaining-rehab-bosses-developer-30056079.html

Karl Stein

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Dell gets public money when the government buy a laptop, Lyons get public money if the government buy teabags, doesn't give the taxpayer any addition rights to question how much those companys staff earn.

Again, apples and oranges. The government isn't a stakeholder in Dell but is in Rehab with the public money it injects.

You're a slippery fish aren't you? Do you have a vested interest in Rehab?

cletus van damme

efb wrote: »

Bertie's girl riding off into the sunset...

sorry...
Rehab are in bed with FG not FF.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a chance to kick bertie.
There is a multitude of crime to hang bertie without making stuff up.


good riddence to an odious woman.

Eight Ball

Huge pay off no doubt. Welcome to Ireland where failure is rewarded.

suicide_circus

Ould ****

Annasopra

sillyoulfool wrote: »

It is our business how the government spends our money, it is not our business how private companies operate their affairs so long as they are operating legally. Just because the government is a customer of Rehab does not give us any additional rights over Rehab which is a private entity.
The PAC can only enquire into whether or not it thinks the government got value for money for its custom.

Is that you Mr Kerins?

Valetta

Eight Ball wrote: »

Huge pay off no doubt. Welcome to Ireland where failure is rewarded.

How did she fail?

Annasopra

cletus van damme wrote: »

sorry...
Rehab are in bed with FG not FF.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a chance to kick bertie.
There is a multitude of crime to hang bertie without making stuff up.


good riddence to an odious woman.

Who is making stuff up?


She was an out and out FF crony for years; Ran for the fianna fail national executive - Under FF she was appointed to to the boards of the National Disability Authority, Equality Authority, the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland, Comreg’s Consumer Advisory Panel and the Department of Foreign Affairs NGO committee on Human Rights


Lots more FF aapointments if you go digging.

Potatoeman

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Private entity, none of business what she was doing, if Rehab customers (the state) don't like it they can shop elsewhere for the services they were purchasing.

Charities should have to show records. Did they get tax breaks being a charity? These cases have highlighted the issue of fundraising going directly to management and will impact ligitimate causes that are not being abused.

doolox

The Irish public need to stop giving into impulse donations on the street or at the door.

I no longer donate to anything until I have the chance to look up their website and see if they have any overpaid pigs slurping at the trough and getting way over what is needed for the job.

If people did the same then the charities would have to cop on and work for a lower salary.

cletus van damme

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Who is making stuff up?


She was an out and out FF crony for years; Ran for the fianna fail national executive - Under FF she was appointed to to the boards of the National Disability Authority, Equality Authority, the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland, Comreg’s Consumer Advisory Panel and the Department of Foreign Affairs NGO committee on Human Rights



Lots more FF aapointments if you go digging.

I stand corrected.

fair enough , she seemed to be a party hopper but rehab would traditionally be a FG machine.
That said she is close to FG too according to this fella.

http://www.villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2014/01/profile-of-angela-kerins-march-09/

sillyoulfool

Eight Ball wrote: »

Huge pay off no doubt. Welcome to Ireland where failure is rewarded.

And she failed how exactly?

Dyr

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Me hole!
Rehab don't get state handouts, they sell their services to the state, a state which could, but chooses not provide those services directly.
By your logic any individual receiving child benefit, mortgage relief, or the pension should have to publish their personal financial details.

I think the danes do that

Or is it the norwegians?

Anyone can look up your salary etc

Imagine if we brought that in here, kildare street would be packed with everything from red face farmers bullroaring to senior RTE execs protesting

we can but dream

sillyoulfool

Potatoeman wrote: »

Charities should have to show records. Did they get tax breaks being a charity? These cases have highlighted the issue of fundraising going directly to management and will impact ligitimate causes that are not being abused.

Can you link to any evidence at all that charity fundraising for Rehab was diverted to pay bonus to management?
Methinks you are confusing Rehab with CRC.

sillyoulfool

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Is that you Mr Kerins?

Nah.
Pathetic response really if that's the best you can muster maybe you should quit posting.

Annasopra

Bambi wrote: »

I think the danes do that

Or is it the norwegians?

Anyone can look up your salary etc

Imagine if we brought that in here, kildare street would be packed with everything from red face farmers bullroaring to senior RTE execs protesting

we can but dream

Norway

Everyones wages and tax paid are published and freely available

Karl Stein

sillyoulfool wrote: »

And she failed how exactly?

CEO while Rehab lottery scratch card sales of €4,000,000 yielded profits of only ten thousand euro (2010) which is proof of inefficient use of resources and high costs of administration.

That would be a resounding failure for a private company operating in a free market.

Potatoeman

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Can you link to any evidence at all that charity fundraising for Rehab was diverted to pay bonus to management?
Methinks you are confusing Rehab with CRC.

Well rehab not making any profit would be questionable. I was refering to transperancy for all charities though.

poxmonkey

Does this mean that she doesn't have to appear before the PAC?

Leslie91

Pension pension pension.......

How sweet it is.

Murt10

Karl Stein wrote: »

CEO while Rehab lottery scratch card sales of €4,000,000 yielded profits of only ten thousand euro (2010) which is proof of inefficient use of resources and high costs of administration.

That would be a resounding failure for a private company operating in a free market.

Maybe it's a "Not for Profit Organisation" or is that just American for Charity

efb

cletus van damme wrote: »

sorry...
Rehab are in bed with FG not FF.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a chance to kick bertie.
There is a multitude of crime to hang bertie without making stuff up.


good riddence to an odious woman.

http://m.prod.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/formidable-lady-finds-spotlight-on-her-salary-29950894.html

Very much FF

Gannicus

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Me hole!
Rehab don't get state handouts, they sell their services to the state, a state which could, but chooses not provide those services directly.
By your logic any individual receiving child benefit, mortgage relief, or the pension should have to publish their personal financial details.

Not a bad idea when it comes to detecting welfare fraud and getting an accurate scope on what people spend their welfare on.

mathie

Rehab refuses to reveal CEO Kerins' retirement package

A spokesman this morning refused to reveal details of Ms Kerins' retirement package including annual pension payments or any lump sum she may be entitled to.

He said the terms of her retirement package "are in line with what her existing contract arrangements are".

"That's obviously confidential and something we can't divulge without the express permission of Ms Kerins," he said.