Simon Coveny on about shatter

george_w_brush

whitebriar wrote: »

Governments are always unpopular at times but this over blown nonsense on penalty points sure takes the biscuit.
Die hard FF people who still can't get over the drumming they got for their mess.
You'd see it in them when they grasped onto the ECB letter saying it's them what made us go to the troika not us.
You'd swear we were all eejits.
Then there's the Media, mainly the papers with nothing better to write about.
As for the tax cheat,brink of bankruptcy td with the unkempt hair,there's loads who protest voted for him down here who now can't wait to get rid of him.
Ironically his seat will go back to FF probably or possibly to Mick Darcy..

I'm no fan boy of this current government but they're very far from the worst we ever had,that was the last one.

" overblown nonsense about penalty points "

this is just the tip of the iceberg my friend , the days of " sure tis only a few bad apples " etc are over , the genie is out of the bottle

as for mick Wallace , he will walk back into dail eireann , he has played a blinder on this issue , as has clare daly who the guards tried to stitch up with a bogus drink driving rap

george_w_brush

frazzledhome wrote: »

++++1 complete sense. This is a nothing story stirred by the media. Only thing to do is ditch Labour who are trying to be popular by showing they care about a non event such ad penalty points

only an unthinking FG drone would claim that this is purely a media created storm

the media in Ireland are almost unconditionally pro guard in this country , endlessly eulogising the men and women in uniform is the default position , the media has covered the story with a huge reluctance until around two days ago when the smell became too bad and the commissioner walked

george_w_brush

towzer2010 wrote: »

I think his attitude towards everyone else will bring down Shatter. He seems like a very pompous arrogant man. Varadkar's intervention in the whole thing smacks of retribution for past slights.

I also think Coveney is a climber and will back anyone that can further his career or knife in the back anyone that can limit his career.

I don't rate coveney much and he,s a minnow compared to varadkar , coveney is a bland , gormless , tim - nice but dim charechter

whitebriar

george_w_brush wrote: »

I don't rate coveney much and he,s a minnow compared to varadkar , coveney is a bland , gormless , tim - nice but dim charechter

I don't rate people who've just registered today but I'd agree on Vradkar vs coveney.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the long haired fellah's future.

george_w_brush

whitebriar wrote: »

I don't rate people who've just registered today but I'd agree on Vradkar vs coveney.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the long haired fellah's future.

its no laughing matter , raising difficult questions about the guards , Wallace made this remark on marian finucances show a month ago , very few TD,s who don't pay endless tribute to AGS regardless of their obvious shortcomings

Wallace is to be commended for this despite his bankruptcy etc

J.O. Farmer

Shatter will have to go. Callinan retired yesterday (much like M was told that she was retiring in Skyfall (Bond film)) because of it and Shatter backed him up to that. If it's serious enough for the first man to go the second has to follow.
The next question is if Shatter goes there has to be a replacement. That may mean a reshuffle and who's going to do a better job than Coveney.
In other words if Coveney isn't the minister who do you want. Looking at the cabinet I don't see a better option. At least he's young and ambitious some of the ministers look like they're there to get ministerial top up on their pension.
I think most of the labour ministers were ministers back in the 90s when labour was last in government so not much fresh thinking there not to mention I see it (perhaps unfairly) as a mainly urban party. As such I think you have to look at fine gael and I think you would struggle to find a minister who would do a better job in the portfolio.I know that in a reshuffle you could get a backbencher being promoted or more likely a junior minister but at the moment Coveney is probably the best of a bad lot.

george_w_brush

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Shatter will have to go. Callinan retired yesterday (much like M was told that she was retiring in Skyfall (Bond film)) because of it and Shatter backed him up to that. If it's serious enough for the first man to go the second has to follow.
The next question is if Shatter goes there has to be a replacement. That may mean a reshuffle and who's going to do a better job than Coveney.
In other words if Coveney isn't the minister who do you want. Looking at the cabinet I don't see a better option. At least he's young and ambitious some of the ministers look like they're there to get ministerial top up on their pension.
I think most of the labour ministers were ministers back in the 90s when labour was last in government so not much fresh thinking there not to mention I see it (perhaps unfairly) as a mainly urban party. As such I think you have to look at fine gael and I think you would struggle to find a minister who would do a better job in the portfolio.I know that in a reshuffle you could get a backbencher being promoted or more likely a junior minister but at the moment Coveney is probably the best of a bad lot.

of course labour are an urban party , they are also in the main a middle class urban party , concerned with issues like " marriage equality " etc

that's why they are backing shatter , they view him as their liberal in FG , the truth on the ground is that average folk in Dublin are more concerned with getting a job than whether their uncle can marry his boyfriend , labour are a well off liberals party , id vote SF before id vote labour , I only avoid sinn fein because they would want the state owning every farm in the country along with other private enterprise

TITANIUM.

george_w_brush wrote: »

of course labour are an urban party , they are also in the main a middle class urban party , concerned with issues like " marriage equality " etc

that's why they are backing shatter , they view him as their liberal in FG , the truth on the ground is that average folk in Dublin are more concerned with getting a job than whether their uncle can marry his boyfriend , labour are a well off liberals party , id vote SF before id vote labour , I only avoid sinn fein because they would want the state owning every farm in the country along with other private enterprise

Think your description of the labour party is way off. Im not a any party man myself but that description of labour is ill informed im afraid.

biddy2013

never liked alan shatter, i often wonder how people like that do so well in the polls, he is a very arrogant man

blue5000

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Shatter will have to go. Callinan retired yesterday (much like M was told that she was retiring in Skyfall (Bond film)) because of it and Shatter backed him up to that. If it's serious enough for the first man to go the second has to follow.
The next question is if Shatter goes there has to be a replacement. That may mean a reshuffle and who's going to do a better job than Coveney.
In other words if Coveney isn't the minister who do you want. Looking at the cabinet I don't see a better option. At least he's young and ambitious some of the ministers look like they're there to get ministerial top up on their pension.
I think most of the labour ministers were ministers back in the 90s when labour was last in government so not much fresh thinking there not to mention I see it (perhaps unfairly) as a mainly urban party. As such I think you have to look at fine gael and I think you would struggle to find a minister who would do a better job in the portfolio.I know that in a reshuffle you could get a backbencher being promoted or more likely a junior minister but at the moment Coveney is probably the best of a bad lot.

+1 was thinking perhaps that's why he did the interview yesterday, big question now is who will get ag?

munkus

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Think your description of the labour party is way off. Im not a any party man myself but that description of labour is ill informed im afraid.

He's not that far off actually. Champagne socialism from those boys. An absolute joke in government, not a word out of them and they all went for hand ministries, foreign affairs, education etc. Compared to the roaring out of them when they were in opposition.

TITANIUM.

munkus wrote: »

He's not that far off actually. Champagne socialism from those boys. An absolute joke in government, not a word out of them and they all went for hand ministries, foreign affairs, education etc. Compared to the roaring out of them when they were in opposition.

Im not disagreeing with allot your saying but the labour party is a (supposed to be anyway) workers party.
"Labours cause is the people's cause and the people's cause is labour's cause" and all that.
Your right tho. Allot of pre election big talk and extremely poor almost non effective in power, as the junior party in a coalition tends to be.
Anyway back on track. Coveney and shatter, I won't miss um when there gone.

towzer2010

blue5000 wrote: »

+1 was thinking perhaps that's why he did the interview yesterday, big question now is who will get ag?

Michelle Mulherin ....... though you'll have to make sure all your cows are married because fornication is a sin.:D