Simon Coveny on about shatter

blue5000

Did anyone else hear simon coveny on the radio this morning defending Alan Shatter, minister for justice? I heard the few first minute of it where he was saying 'ironically enough' that the first hour and a half in the dail was going to be agricultural question time and the rest of the day will be debating Shatter and all the whistle blowing etc. etc.

Why is coveney on the radio instead of Shatter?

If I was a beef farmer from Cork losing 2-300 on every animal going to a meat factory this week I'd be damn slow about voting for this td next time round.

Reggie.

Talk around the breakfast table is that this could bring down the government or seriously weaken it anyways

biddy2013

so whats the alternative to the current government?

Kristopherus

Reggie. wrote: »

Talk around the breakfast table is that this could bring down the government or seriously weaken it anyways

How could all this bring down the govt? Did'nt all this stuff originate in Feel & Fail's watch?

Reggie.

Kristopherus wrote: »

How could all this bring down the govt? Did'nt all this stuff originate in Feel & Fail's watch?

If you noticed that the government is turning in on itself with different ministers backing the whistle blowers where shatter and the enda were backing the commissioner.

Reggie.

biddy2013 wrote: »

so whats the alternative to the current government?

God knows

reilig

biddy2013 wrote: »

so whats the alternative to the current government?

Ming, Claire and Mick!

Round Bale

biddy2013 wrote: »

so whats the alternative to the current government?

IFA! Silly you for not realising that.
Rancher for Taoiseach!
Farmer Pudsey (even though he might not an IFA'er) for Minister for Finance.

I'll throw you a bone, and make you Minister for Agriculture. -;)
All those lively trips to Brussels.

Kristopherus

Reggie. wrote: »

If you noticed that the government is turning in on itself with different ministers backing the whistle blowers where shatter and the enda were backing the commissioner.

But that stuff is miniscule compared to what FF did:mad:. Storm in a teacup to me by comparision:pac:.

biddy2013

Kristopherus wrote: »

But that stuff is miniscule compared to what FF did:mad:. Storm in a teacup to me by comparision:pac:.

Yes and Bertie and co at still walking around while we pay for it

Reggie.

Kristopherus wrote: »

But that stuff is miniscule compared to what FF did:mad:. Storm in a teacup to me by comparision:pac:.

Yes but shatter is the most hated minister in a long time. From what I seen yesterday a lot of TDs are after him. He's hated in both the army and guards for a long time

Reggie.

Round Bale wrote: »

IFA! Silly you for not realising that.
Rancher for Taoiseach!
Farmer Pudsey (even though he might not an IFA'er) for Minister for Finance.

I'll throw you a bone, and make you Minister for Agriculture. -;)
All those lively trips to Brussels.

Ministeress of agriculture

Reggie.

reilig wrote: »

Ming, Claire and Mick!

Could you imagine mick with the earring and Ming, first order of business is to legalise weed

Reggie.

biddy2013 wrote: »

Yes and Bertie and co at still walking around while we pay for it

That's the joys of our little republic

micraX

Reggie. wrote: »

Could you imagine mick with the earring and Ming, first order of business is to legalise weed

Think you'd get grants to build glasshouses if that was passed?

Ash.J.Williams

biddy2013 wrote: »

so whats the alternative to the current government?

taking the mindset of the Irish electorate? Fianna fail

Reggie.

micraX wrote: »

Think you'd get grants to build glasshouses if that was passed?

Any amount of them

biddy2013

Reggie. wrote: »

Ministeress of agriculture

hopefully i would do better than the last ministeress, i would bring in a grant for powerwashers:D

Reggie.

biddy2013 wrote: »

hopefully i would do better than the last ministeress, i would bring in a grant for powerwashers:D

Thata girl and grants for massey tractors only as well. The countryside will be red once again

Conmaicne Mara

Reggie. wrote: »

Could you imagine mick with the earring and Ming, first order of business is to legalise weed

Hm, better get my tunnel up pronto.

whitebriar

Governments are always unpopular at times but this over blown nonsense on penalty points sure takes the biscuit.
Die hard FF people who still can't get over the drumming they got for their mess.
You'd see it in them when they grasped onto the ECB letter saying it's them what made us go to the troika not us.
You'd swear we were all eejits.
Then there's the Media, mainly the papers with nothing better to write about.
As for the tax cheat,brink of bankruptcy td with the unkempt hair,there's loads who protest voted for him down here who now can't wait to get rid of him.
Ironically his seat will go back to FF probably or possibly to Mick Darcy..

I'm no fan boy of this current government but they're very far from the worst we ever had,that was the last one.

Conmaicne Mara

whitebriar wrote: »

Governments are always unpopular at times but this over blown nonsense on penalty points sure takes the biscuit.

I don't agree. We've a very corrupt little country here and stuff like penalty points need to be sorted out properly - out in the light, not in dark rooms or privately at the cabinet table.

Gardai, lawyers etc investigating themselves just isn't on, it's neither just nor fair. Leads to all sorts of abuses.

And I've voted FG since I was able.

frazzledhome

++++1 complete sense. This is a nothing story stirred by the media. Only thing to do is ditch Labour who are trying to be popular by showing they care about a non event such ad penalty points

whitebriar

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

I don't agree. We've a very corrupt little country here and stuff like penalty points need to be sorted out properly - out in the light, not in dark rooms or privately at the cabinet table.

Gardai, lawyers etc investigating themselves just isn't on, it's neither just nor fair. Leads to all sorts of abuses.i

And I've voted FG since I was able.

Yeah but gardai have been calling other gards to get them to drop speeding fines since the state began,it's nothing new and nothing to do with Shatter specifically.
So all the hoo Haas there is just bladdering nonsense.
I do agree Gardai should be investigated by an independent body where there's cause.

Conmaicne Mara

whitebriar wrote: »

Yeah but gardai have been calling other gards to get them to drop speeding fines since the state began,it's nothing new and nothing to do with Shatter specifically.
So all the hoo Haas there is just bladdering nonsense.
I do agree Gardai should be investigated by an independent body where there's cause.

But in a society such as ours, often a large hoo haa is necessary to bring reform (I didn't say necessary nor effective reform) into effect. The whistleblowers got no where until they went to the press, then we say Callinans reaction to that "disgusting".

Shatter, I've not much of an opinion on him one way or another. Ministers come, ministers go, it's the culture that's the problem. But if it takes others giving heat to Shatter to get something done then I say more power to their bellows.

bogman_bass

It wont bring down the government but it could well bring down Shatter

towzer2010

bogman_bass wrote: »

It wont bring down the government but it could well bring down Shatter

I think his attitude towards everyone else will bring down Shatter. He seems like a very pompous arrogant man. Varadkar's intervention in the whole thing smacks of retribution for past slights.

I also think Coveney is a climber and will back anyone that can further his career or knife in the back anyone that can limit his career.

yellow50HX

towzer2010 wrote: »

I think his attitude towards everyone else will bring down Shatter. He seems like a very pompous arrogant man. Varadkar's intervention in the whole thing smacks of retribution for past slights.

I also think Coveney is a climber and will back anyone that can further his career or knife in the back anyone that can limit his career.

Yeah back pretty much sums up covney alright and Leo isn't much better, they ll try anything to make them selves look good in the public eye and will climb over anyone to get up the ladder. I remember when they tried to heave against Enda and when he manged to get the councils to back him they were straight over to feed at his feet again.

I remember convey rolling out the ted crilly excuse about the money just resting in the account when his late father was exposed as an ansbacker account holder despite his statements to the contrary.

As for shatter why are people surprised that he is trying to weasel his why out of any responsibility. This kind of blame everyone but me and as sure 'twas like from the FF days is a fairly fimilar one from FG and lab. Phil hogan did it on the irish water fiasco and James Reilly even tried to say it all Mary harneys fault, and Tom Barry & pj sheahan would have been fired from a job in the real world for what they got up to. Uncle Enda still backed his buddies the and he ll back his buddy now again.

As we have seen over the last couple of years stupidity, deception and incompetence are highly regarded quailties in endas eyes and he will make no change no matter how bad things are. The only difference between FG and FF are the colours on their election posters.

As for bringing down the government it's highly unlikely as to do so the back benches and labour would have to revolt and that's highly unlikely to happen, life away from the gravey train might be too much for them so they hang on as long as they can. Besides have we a credible alternative???

mf240

This government is far from perfect but there a long ways ahead of what went before them.

Michael martin makes my skin crawl the way he uses every little thing to cynically score points at every opportunity. Shamelessly populous. grrrr..

coolshannagh28

bogman_bass wrote: »

It wont bring down the government but it could well bring down Shatter

I think Shatter will hold out unless someone comes up with another misdemeanour directly relating to him ,to be fair to him, although arrogant and dislikeable he is an excellent hardworking minister in the main with a clear vision of the reforms he wants to implement and also going about doing it very effectively .
Would not be a fan of Coveney, extremely ambitious and will walk over bodies to get to the top but somehow lacking in real talent,Varadkar also extremely ambitious but has the talent to match maybe too much for the old guard so too close to call between them.

yellow50HX

mf240 wrote: »

This government is far from perfect but there a long ways ahead of what went before them.

Michael martin makes my skin crawl the way he uses every little thing to cynically score points at every opportunity. Shamelessly populous. grrrr..

Sure he is no different from the rest, they all play the same game to use every situation to big up themselves. After 2 year FG/lab are still using the excuse that it was like that when we got here, yet they still manage to make it worse. As for FF trying to take the moral high ground really grates.

george_w_brush

whitebriar wrote: »

Governments are always unpopular at times but this over blown nonsense on penalty points sure takes the biscuit.
Die hard FF people who still can't get over the drumming they got for their mess.
You'd see it in them when they grasped onto the ECB letter saying it's them what made us go to the troika not us.
You'd swear we were all eejits.
Then there's the Media, mainly the papers with nothing better to write about.
As for the tax cheat,brink of bankruptcy td with the unkempt hair,there's loads who protest voted for him down here who now can't wait to get rid of him.
Ironically his seat will go back to FF probably or possibly to Mick Darcy..

I'm no fan boy of this current government but they're very far from the worst we ever had,that was the last one.

" overblown nonsense about penalty points "

this is just the tip of the iceberg my friend , the days of " sure tis only a few bad apples " etc are over , the genie is out of the bottle

as for mick Wallace , he will walk back into dail eireann , he has played a blinder on this issue , as has clare daly who the guards tried to stitch up with a bogus drink driving rap

george_w_brush

frazzledhome wrote: »

++++1 complete sense. This is a nothing story stirred by the media. Only thing to do is ditch Labour who are trying to be popular by showing they care about a non event such ad penalty points

only an unthinking FG drone would claim that this is purely a media created storm

the media in Ireland are almost unconditionally pro guard in this country , endlessly eulogising the men and women in uniform is the default position , the media has covered the story with a huge reluctance until around two days ago when the smell became too bad and the commissioner walked

george_w_brush

towzer2010 wrote: »

I think his attitude towards everyone else will bring down Shatter. He seems like a very pompous arrogant man. Varadkar's intervention in the whole thing smacks of retribution for past slights.

I also think Coveney is a climber and will back anyone that can further his career or knife in the back anyone that can limit his career.

I don't rate coveney much and he,s a minnow compared to varadkar , coveney is a bland , gormless , tim - nice but dim charechter

whitebriar

george_w_brush wrote: »

I don't rate coveney much and he,s a minnow compared to varadkar , coveney is a bland , gormless , tim - nice but dim charechter

I don't rate people who've just registered today but I'd agree on Vradkar vs coveney.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the long haired fellah's future.

george_w_brush

whitebriar wrote: »

I don't rate people who've just registered today but I'd agree on Vradkar vs coveney.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the long haired fellah's future.

its no laughing matter , raising difficult questions about the guards , Wallace made this remark on marian finucances show a month ago , very few TD,s who don't pay endless tribute to AGS regardless of their obvious shortcomings

Wallace is to be commended for this despite his bankruptcy etc

J.O. Farmer

Shatter will have to go. Callinan retired yesterday (much like M was told that she was retiring in Skyfall (Bond film)) because of it and Shatter backed him up to that. If it's serious enough for the first man to go the second has to follow.
The next question is if Shatter goes there has to be a replacement. That may mean a reshuffle and who's going to do a better job than Coveney.
In other words if Coveney isn't the minister who do you want. Looking at the cabinet I don't see a better option. At least he's young and ambitious some of the ministers look like they're there to get ministerial top up on their pension.
I think most of the labour ministers were ministers back in the 90s when labour was last in government so not much fresh thinking there not to mention I see it (perhaps unfairly) as a mainly urban party. As such I think you have to look at fine gael and I think you would struggle to find a minister who would do a better job in the portfolio.I know that in a reshuffle you could get a backbencher being promoted or more likely a junior minister but at the moment Coveney is probably the best of a bad lot.

george_w_brush

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Shatter will have to go. Callinan retired yesterday (much like M was told that she was retiring in Skyfall (Bond film)) because of it and Shatter backed him up to that. If it's serious enough for the first man to go the second has to follow.
The next question is if Shatter goes there has to be a replacement. That may mean a reshuffle and who's going to do a better job than Coveney.
In other words if Coveney isn't the minister who do you want. Looking at the cabinet I don't see a better option. At least he's young and ambitious some of the ministers look like they're there to get ministerial top up on their pension.
I think most of the labour ministers were ministers back in the 90s when labour was last in government so not much fresh thinking there not to mention I see it (perhaps unfairly) as a mainly urban party. As such I think you have to look at fine gael and I think you would struggle to find a minister who would do a better job in the portfolio.I know that in a reshuffle you could get a backbencher being promoted or more likely a junior minister but at the moment Coveney is probably the best of a bad lot.

of course labour are an urban party , they are also in the main a middle class urban party , concerned with issues like " marriage equality " etc

that's why they are backing shatter , they view him as their liberal in FG , the truth on the ground is that average folk in Dublin are more concerned with getting a job than whether their uncle can marry his boyfriend , labour are a well off liberals party , id vote SF before id vote labour , I only avoid sinn fein because they would want the state owning every farm in the country along with other private enterprise

TITANIUM.

george_w_brush wrote: »

of course labour are an urban party , they are also in the main a middle class urban party , concerned with issues like " marriage equality " etc

that's why they are backing shatter , they view him as their liberal in FG , the truth on the ground is that average folk in Dublin are more concerned with getting a job than whether their uncle can marry his boyfriend , labour are a well off liberals party , id vote SF before id vote labour , I only avoid sinn fein because they would want the state owning every farm in the country along with other private enterprise

Think your description of the labour party is way off. Im not a any party man myself but that description of labour is ill informed im afraid.

biddy2013

never liked alan shatter, i often wonder how people like that do so well in the polls, he is a very arrogant man

blue5000

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Shatter will have to go. Callinan retired yesterday (much like M was told that she was retiring in Skyfall (Bond film)) because of it and Shatter backed him up to that. If it's serious enough for the first man to go the second has to follow.
The next question is if Shatter goes there has to be a replacement. That may mean a reshuffle and who's going to do a better job than Coveney.
In other words if Coveney isn't the minister who do you want. Looking at the cabinet I don't see a better option. At least he's young and ambitious some of the ministers look like they're there to get ministerial top up on their pension.
I think most of the labour ministers were ministers back in the 90s when labour was last in government so not much fresh thinking there not to mention I see it (perhaps unfairly) as a mainly urban party. As such I think you have to look at fine gael and I think you would struggle to find a minister who would do a better job in the portfolio.I know that in a reshuffle you could get a backbencher being promoted or more likely a junior minister but at the moment Coveney is probably the best of a bad lot.

+1 was thinking perhaps that's why he did the interview yesterday, big question now is who will get ag?

munkus

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Think your description of the labour party is way off. Im not a any party man myself but that description of labour is ill informed im afraid.

He's not that far off actually. Champagne socialism from those boys. An absolute joke in government, not a word out of them and they all went for hand ministries, foreign affairs, education etc. Compared to the roaring out of them when they were in opposition.

TITANIUM.

munkus wrote: »

He's not that far off actually. Champagne socialism from those boys. An absolute joke in government, not a word out of them and they all went for hand ministries, foreign affairs, education etc. Compared to the roaring out of them when they were in opposition.

Im not disagreeing with allot your saying but the labour party is a (supposed to be anyway) workers party.
"Labours cause is the people's cause and the people's cause is labour's cause" and all that.
Your right tho. Allot of pre election big talk and extremely poor almost non effective in power, as the junior party in a coalition tends to be.
Anyway back on track. Coveney and shatter, I won't miss um when there gone.

towzer2010

blue5000 wrote: »

+1 was thinking perhaps that's why he did the interview yesterday, big question now is who will get ag?

Michelle Mulherin ....... though you'll have to make sure all your cows are married because fornication is a sin.:D