Partridge

TriggerPL

landkeeper2 wrote: »

very simple either buy your poults or rear them yourself , release them properly using partridge pens to let them establish a home range with drinkers and feeders and cover crops , do plenty of legal vermin control and do the job properly as many others do in this country it's not rocket science it is hard work though and the returns can be varied

Nope been there tryed that on my own land over a period of 5 years out side of the club , pens feeders drinkers , forestry with cover different variety of fields , 5 Larsen traps , lamped twice / three times a week , released adults reared poults realised them at all times of the years spring summers ,

Greys and red

The weather fooks them every time , the harsh reality of North Connaught land , pheasants are going well but partridge never survived . Cheers for the advice tho mayb down round the the sunny southeast or up the east coast , I've read of a few places .

And this is the reason nearly no driven shoot using them in ireland

Stonehall9

I was asking for advise , help and a bit of knowledge in relation to the partridge shoot, trigger , gave me a great deal of information in his post and very knowledgeable in relation to the keeping of the birds, if ye want to engage in a bit of keyboard boxing ye might get yere own thread folks , thanks for all the replays so far in relation to the partridge and keep them coming.
S9

TriggerPL

Dian Cecht wrote: »

As you stated above it doesn't work nor will it work as vast amounts of the landscape does not and never will be able to support them. Agricultural methods are making it harder & harder for wild game to survive. Ditches are being cut/removed, wetlands are being drained at an alarming rate, tillage in lots of areas is disappearing.........................

Clubs I'm in release adult pheasants in early March. Feeders are put out & topped up. Come Nov. 1st you take your chances. Duck are released on a few "protected" ponds with feeders and they either stay there & breed or move off. Come September 1st you take your chances. Snipe habitat is all but gone in my area in the last few years (mainly due to land drainage).

In my opinion, in our lifetime, game shooting as we know it will not exist.

Well there is something we agree on !

But I'd suggest breeding boxes for ur ducks more so then just realising them on to a pond like this I've 4 going and there a great success .

http://youtu.be/zmmB4TomIM8

http://youtu.be/CuS9fCf1Eug

Dian Cecht

Stonehall9 wrote: »

I was asking for advise , help and a bit of knowledge in relation to the partridge shoot, trigger , gave me a great deal of information in his post and very knowledgeable in relation to the keeping of the birds, if ye want to engage in a bit of keyboard boxing ye might get yere own thread folks , thanks for all the replays so far in relation to the partridge and keep them coming.
S9

:pac:

It's called debate, what the forum is about

Dian Cecht

TriggerPL wrote: »

Well there is something we agree on !

But I'd suggest breeding boxes for ur ducks more so then just realising them on to a pond like this I've 4 going and there a great success .

http://youtu.be/zmmB4TomIM8

http://youtu.be/CuS9fCf1Eug

To be honest they do very well but I'll look into those boxes

TriggerPL

Dian Cecht wrote: »

:pac:

It's called debate, what the forum is about

Yes but a debate is normally different suggesting to a question where this was just pushing of ur opinion and morals with out suggesting alternatives . So not really a debate , and it pretty much ruin a thread asking for advice and you seem to have a habit of doing that!

landkeeper2

in your opinion trigger
your system is not what's needed if anyone wants to release partridge properly for shooting it's not a functional working solution and is questionable that is why i voice my objection and will continue to do so. If you can't see the potential damage in what you are advocating the there is something wrong .


There are recognised methods of partridge release all based on much the same system all rely on the fact that they are a covey bird and have a home territory
that instinct is the key to successful release , the matter of holding them on the ground is another thing , feed cover and shelter are the most important aspects there closely followed by vermin control

Stonehall9

landkeeper2 wrote: »

in your opinion trigger
your system is not what's needed if anyone wants to release partridge properly for shooting it's not a functional working solution and is questionable that is why i voice my objection and will continue to do so. If you can't see the potential damage in what you are advocating the there is something wrong .


There are recognised methods of partridge release all based on much the same system all rely on the fact that they are a covey bird and have a home territory
that instinct is the key to successful release , the matter of holding them on the ground is another thing , feed cover and shelter are the most important aspects there closely followed by vermin control

From a lot of replies I've had the most common aspect seems to be that the partridge do not like to be spooked or have much commotion like traffic other animals and such around them, this apparently leads to a high mortality rate in the birds, it seems like a very hard thing to create an environment that can offer all those qualities in the wild. Not to mention the unpredictability of our weather.

landkeeper2

they are very flighty best description i can think of is a hand grenade with feathers on their first instinct is to fly if there is a wwall or netting in the way then it's good night

where do you want to release them , what sort of ground , tillage crops ? or just grassland

Dian Cecht

TriggerPL wrote: »

Yes but a debate is normally different suggesting to a question where this was just pushing of ur opinion and morals with out suggesting alternatives . So not really a debate , and it pretty much ruin a thread asking for advice and you seem to have a habit of doing that!

You have a few habits yourself

You have your ways & I have mine. You won't change my mind no more than I'll try & change yours. So, we'll just have to agree to disagree, most of the time

Birdnuts

Stonehall9 wrote: »

From a lot of replies I've had the most common aspect seems to be that the partridge do not like to be spooked or have much commotion like traffic other animals and such around them, this apparently leads to a high mortality rate in the birds, it seems like a very hard thing to create an environment that can offer all those qualities in the wild. Not to mention the unpredictability of our weather.

Might be worth a trip to the Partridge project at Boora to give yourself a first hand idea of the amount of habitat work and keepering required for these birds. I've been to a few talks over the years by the team there and its eye-opening the amount of man-hours and other resources required

Capercaille

Red-legged partridge are native to West/South West Europe. Their preferred habitat are rocky hillsides, dry grasslands and cultivated land (preferably extensive tillage agriculture with plenty of grassy verges for insects). They are a bird of warmer climates and don't do well in bad wet weather. They will not do well released into areas of bogs, forestry or monoculture of ryegrass.

dodderangler

Capercaille wrote: »

Red-legged partridge are native to West/South West Europe. Their preferred habitat are rocky hillsides, dry grasslands and cultivated land (preferably extensive tillage agriculture with plenty of grassy verges for insects). They are a bird of warmer climates and don't do well in bad wet weather. They will not do well released into areas of bogs, forestry or monoculture of ryegrass.

Would the same apply to quail?
At least one thread pops up every so often about quail being released.

Capercaille

dodderangler wrote: »

Would the same apply to quail?
At least one thread pops up every so often about quail being released.

Quail would prefer tillage like barley, wheat but not maize. They do well in warmer years. The tillage around Athy, Kildare is the last refuge for quail in Ireland. Releasing common quail into area with wild quail would not be recommended as the released birds can interbreed with the wild birds and the resulting offspring will often lose their migrating instincts.