Any new grants?

Bulls Notion

With this money they got, do you lads think there will be any grants coming out?
Particularly for a slurry tanker!
As I remember a grant for an adgitator and a slurry tank years ago!
Thanks lads!!

tomwaterford

Bulls Notion wrote: »

With this money they got, do you lads think there will be any grants coming out?
Particularly for a slurry tanker!
As I remember a grant for an adgitator and a slurry tank years ago!
Thanks lads!!

would severly doubt it....would be hard to expect taxpayer to pay for farmers to buy new equipment

Greengrass1

Yes. Tams two starting in 2015

stop thelights

Bulls Notion wrote: »

With this money they got, do you lads think there will be any grants coming out?
Particularly for a slurry tanker!
As I remember a grant for an adgitator and a slurry tank years ago!
Thanks lads!!

Yes there coming in for the start of next year but I think it includes slurry storage, milking parlours and trailing shoes to mention a few that I know of. I don't see them giving grants for slurry tanks. It would be pure madness if they did it again though!!

freedominacup

Any chance of changing the thread title to something less likely to annoy other posters every time it pops up on the home page. "Any new grants" flashing up as a thread tite on the boards home page in the F&F forum, not a plan.

Bulls Notion

This is what annoys me about this site, users like this who comment in a negative attitude towards everything when a user cannot post something he is enquiring about..

colrow

Plus the reality is, that it is the machinery manufacturers, that are being supported. Who no doubt are making expensive kit, and charging top dollar for it, persuading governments to make new laws farmers have to adhere to, and they need support to pay for their nice cars, and keep the shareholders happy.

farmerjj

Take it easy lads he only asked a simple question!!:o I,m not sure is there any new grants coming for machinery but heard ppl say there might be one on the way for sheds.

ABlur

Grant for trailing shoe slurry equipment:

https://www.agriland.ie/news/dairy-a-priority-for-new-tams/

exercise is the antidote

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Yes. Tams two starting in 2015

What's tams greengrass..?

ABlur

exercise is the antidote wrote: »

What's tams greengrass..?

See link in my email above

Greengrass1

exercise is the antidote wrote: »

What's tams greengrass..?

Targeted agricultural modernisation scheme

Ah, the poor, poor farmers. Now they've sold all their road frontage to support the bungalow blitz, they want the hard working tax payer to supply him/her the equipment to run his/her business. Lads, it ye can't make it pay, get out. Thats what other private business have to do.

Greengrass1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah, the poor, poor farmers. Now they've sold all their road frontage to support the bungalow blitz, they want the hard working tax payer to supply him/her the equipment to run his/her business. Lads, it ye can't make it pay, get out. Thats what other private business have to do.

Get your facts right before you start talking about something you don't understand.
The grants are to help modernise farms so they can meet the future food require ments of the growing world population.
They are also there to help young farmers get into farming which there is a complete lack of at the minute.
The grant covers 40% of the cost and the farmer pays the rest (60%).
Its no gravey train.

cristeoir

And why not ? Farmers are taxpayers same as everyone else, actually I would think they are as much entitled to help from the state as those who are getting dole and living in council houses;)

Sam Kade

This is slowly turning into a farmer bashing thread :mad:

munkus

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah, the poor, poor farmers. Now they've sold all their road frontage to support the bungalow blitz, they want the hard working tax payer to supply him/her the equipment to run his/her business. Lads, it ye can't make it pay, get out. Thats what other private business have to do.

Ah poor Maryanne! You must have got bored on the Coronation Street thread. Came on here of a little soap opera of your own?

Milked out

The funding from the eu for grants is given for work which is carried out generally by local builders, electricians, equipment manufacturers, etc so goes straight in to the local economy, giving the majority of sectors a boost. It is not like it is given to farmers to do a they please. Would you give out if your neighbour bought a car using a scrappage scheme funded by government?

cristeoir

Sam Kade wrote: »

This is slowly turning into a farmer bashing thread :mad:

It makes me so annoyed that farmers always seem so apologetic for any grants we get from the state which we are fully entitled to and you have the likes of that Maryanne one , whose biggest claim to fame is her in depth knowledge of television programmes and claiming social welfare , come on here and tell us about how to run our business .

Sam Kade

Maryanne remember the woman on the radio about 12 years ago? She was a Dub that rang into Pat Kenny's show complaining about farmers paying no tax and all those other myths that non farming folk believe about farmers. Anyway a farmer up the country invited her onto his farm for a few days to give her a taste of farming and showed her what profit he was making out of it, she changed her tune about farmers after those few days. Maryanne maybe we can arrange something similar for you

cristeoir

cristeoir wrote: »

It makes me so annoyed that farmers always seem so apologetic for any grants we get from the state which we are fully entitled to and you have the likes of that Maryanne one , whose biggest claim to fame is her in depth knowledge of television programmes and claiming social welfare , come on here and tell us about how to run our business .

Touched a nerve, did I? You said it's a business, so run it like one. If you can't make a living from a business, you close it down. If you can't make a living on a farm, what do you do? Look for help from the state, aka the taxpayer, either in grants of the farmers dole.
Now what soaps are on today?

Sam Kade

Deleted User wrote: »

Touched a nerve, did I? You said it's a business, so run it like one. If you can't make a living from a business, you close it down. If you can't make a living on a farm, what do you do? Look for help from the state, aka the taxpayer, either in grants of the farmers dole.
Now what soaps are on today?

Maryanne take off them blinkers, now what about that proposition I gave you?

Conmaicne Mara

cristeoir wrote: »

It makes me so annoyed that farmers always seem so apologetic for any grants we get from the state which we are fully entitled to and you have the likes of that Maryanne one , whose biggest claim to fame is her in depth knowledge of television programmes and claiming social welfare , come on here and tell us about how to run our business .

I for one am not a bit apologetic. I suggested before credit cards should have the owners views on farmers entered into the chip. Those that moan on about things they don't understand would be disallowed from buying Irish food.

An empty belly is a great leveller.

Now, what will I spend my €20/ha SFP on, a (matchbox) Ferrari maybe :cool:

Conmaicne Mara

Sam Kade wrote: »

Maryanne remember the woman on the radio about 12 years ago? She was a Dub that rang into Pat Kenny's show complaining about farmers paying no tax and all those other myths that non farming folk believe about farmers. Anyway a farmer up the country invited her onto his farm for a few days to give her a taste of farming and showed her what profit he was making out of it, she changed her tune about farmers after those few days. Maryanne maybe we can arrange something similar for you

Farm camp!

Damo810

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Touched a nerve, did I? You said it's a business, so run it like one. If you can't make a living from a business, you close it down. If you can't make a living on a farm, what do you do? Look for help from the state, aka the taxpayer, either in grants of the farmers dole.
Now what soaps are on today?

Have you eaten any food today, or drank any milk? How much did it cost you Maryanne? These grants are there so the likes of you, and every other misinformed troll can have a regular supply of CHEAP food. We will happily give up any grant which we receive when we start getting a FAIR price for our produce.

I grew up on a farm. I know only too well the long hours and scarce money that is in farming. Which is why I say, if it's not paying, get out. For the sake of the family, if nothing else. Wheres the point in working all the hours God sends, if you are struggling to feed yourself and a family? It makes no sense at all to me. My Dad died a young man, due to the hardships of his efforts.

moy83

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I grew up on a farm. I know only too well the long hours and scarce money that is in farming. Which is why I say, if it's not paying, get out. For the sake of the family, if nothing else. Wheres the point in working all the hours God sends, if you are struggling to feed yourself and a family? It makes no sense at all to me. My Dad died a young man, due to the hardships of his efforts.

The people that are giving out the grants want farmers to stay on the land because it generates the money around smaller areas that would have shag all without it . That money also keeps the food in the supermakets way more affordable for everyone .
What do you propose farmers to do if they give up farming because of the small money ? Would you mind price rises in the supermarket if the SFP support was taken away from the producers ?

Sam Kade

No point asking Maryanne questions as she is only interested in giving her blinkered view and refuses to answer questions in case she might have to enter a debate :mad:

cristeoir

Deleted User wrote: »

I grew up on a farm. I know only too well the long hours and scarce money that is in farming. Which is why I say, if it's not paying, get out. For the sake of the family, if nothing else. Wheres the point in working all the hours God sends, if you are struggling to feed yourself and a family? It makes no sense at all to me. My Dad died a young man, due to the hardships of his efforts.

Ok maryanne suppose we all take your advice ,seeing as you are such a business guru, and get out surely it will cost the state more in dole and such like in the long run with absolutely zero return

micraX

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Touched a nerve, did I? You said it's a business, so run it like one. If you can't make a living from a business, you close it down. If you can't make a living on a farm, what do you do? Look for help from the state, aka the taxpayer, either in grants of the farmers dole.
Now what soaps are on today?

Fair city is on this evening, their acting is as believable as your arguments.

Conmaicne Mara

moy83 wrote: »

The people that are giving out the grants want farmers to stay on the land because it generates the money around smaller areas that would have shag all without it . That money also keeps the food in the supermakets way more affordable for everyone .
What do you propose farmers to do if they give up farming because of the small money ? Would you mind price rises in the supermarket if the SFP support was taken away from the producers ?
Dont worry too much

I am considering selling my farm to the closest dairy farmers by auction, I expect huge interest and heated bidding :cool:

blackplum123

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Get your facts right before you start talking about something you don't understand.
The grants are to help modernise farms so they can meet the future food require ments of the growing world population.
They are also there to help young farmers get into farming which there is a complete lack of at the minute.
The grant covers 40% of the cost and the farmer pays the rest (60%).
Its no gravey train.

very little grown in this country any more. just look where the basic veg; spuds carrots onions originate from....not Ireland thats for sure...

The ordinary worker in Ireland needs a break - Financially .
I am tired of being screwed by this government to support everybody else.

Greengrass1

blackplum123 wrote: »

very little grown in this country any more. just look where the basic veg; spuds carrots onions originate from....not Ireland thats for sure...

The ordinary worker in Ireland needs a break - Financially .
I am tired of being screwed by this government to support everybody else.

There is plenty grown in this country but you don't see it.
Supermarkets just import it because its cheaper and the consumers don't care where there produce cones from aslong as its cheap.

stop thelights

blackplum123 wrote: »

very little grown in this country any more. just look where the basic veg; spuds carrots onions originate from....not Ireland thats for sure...

The ordinary worker in Ireland needs a break - Financially .
I am tired of being screwed by this government to support everybody else.

The Agri industry was worth 10bn to the Irish economy last year. These grants are only for farmers expanding going forward to 2020, therefore it's the PROFITABLE farms who get a little helping hand but in the long terms the government will have the money back through increase in tax take as these farms will have increase in turn over.

Farmers spend money locally so everyone benefits!! Unlike paying someone to sit on the hole for lives!!

micraX

blackplum123 wrote: »

very little grown in this country any more. just look where the basic veg; spuds carrots onions originate from....not Ireland thats for sure...

The ordinary worker in Ireland needs a break - Financially .
I am tired of being screwed by this government to support everybody else.

Excuse me? There is plenty of vegetables been grown in this country.
Most spuds and carrots are produced here in this country.
Supermarkets reject onions grown here a lot of the time because their skin isn't golden enough.

epfff

blackplum123 wrote: »

very little grown in this country any more. just look where the basic veg; spuds carrots onions originate from....not Ireland thats for sure...

The ordinary worker in Ireland needs a break - Financially .
I am tired of being screwed by this government to support everybody else.

You really know your stuff
We produce enough food to feed 35 million people
suppose that's not that much
You also fail to mention the grants aids breaks that multinationals get to employ people with all profits leaving the country with them if anyone offers better

Conmaicne Mara

blackplum123 wrote: »

The ordinary worker in Ireland

Doesn't work 7 days a week all year round.

Conmaicne Mara

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Doesn't work 7 days a week all year round.

No. The ordinary man works up to 5 days a week to support his/her own family and those of the unemployed and to prop up failed business'. I'm sure no farmers wives shop in Lidl, Aldi, Tesco, etc.....

micraX

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No. The ordinary man works up to 5 days a week to support his/her own family and those of the unemployed and to prop up failed business'. I'm sure no farmers wives shop in Lidl, Aldi, Tesco, etc.....

Is there a point to that statement? If there is, I must be missing it.

Greengrass1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No. The ordinary man works up to 5 days a week to support his/her own family and those of the unemployed and to prop up failed business'. I'm sure no farmers wives shop in Lidl, Aldi, Tesco, etc.....

Please enlightin us all as to how you think the Irish farmers are rolling in it?
If you pay attention to any news or papers you will see the suckler farmers in this country are having a tough time making money. As the factory's won't take the cattle farmers were asked to supply?
If all these farmers left the land what would happen the land and how would the farmer and his family survive?
Thus grants are there to give farmers a helping hand so they can carry more stock and produce it cheaper so it keeps you the consumer happy.
Farmers are the only thing keeping this country going at the minute.
Please educate yourself before you make remarks on an industry you don't fully understand only what you think you know

cristeoir

So how many days a week do you work Maryanne? And I can tell you if your attitude here is anything to go by its not a bit of wonder your poor father is in his grave!!!

blackplum123

epfff wrote: »

You really know your stuff
We produce enough food to feed 35 million people
suppose that's not that much
You also fail to mention the grants aids breaks that multinationals get to employ people with all profits leaving the country with them if anyone offers better

If you are producing that much food, surely your income off that much food production would keep you going without grants of 40%

Damo810

blackplum123 wrote: »

If you are producing that much food, surely your income off that much food production would keep you going without grants of 40%

No, because we get **** all for what we produce so you can have cheap food..

SuperTortoise

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Please enlightin us all as to how you think the Irish farmers are rolling in it?
If you pay attention to any news or papers you will see the suckler farmers in this country are having a tough time making money. As the factory's won't take the cattle farmers were asked to supply?
If all these farmers left the land what would happen the land and how would the farmer and his family survive?
Thus grants are there to give farmers a helping hand so they can carry more stock and produce it cheaper so it keeps you the consumer happy.
Farmers are the only thing keeping this country going at the minute.
Please educate yourself before you make remarks on an industry you don't fully understand only what you think you know

+1 Well said.

Conmaicne Mara

Deleted User wrote: »

No. The ordinary man works up to 5 days a week to support his/her own family and those of the unemployed and to prop up failed business'. I'm sure no farmers wives shop in Lidl, Aldi, Tesco, etc.....

Saying you come from a farming background doesn't really mean much. A local farmer asked me to control some vermin which would have an effect on his sheep, which I duly did. During that process his daughter gave out reams to me for it.

I sent her home to her parents, told her to ask where the money came from to send her to school, feed, and clothe her, and who asked me to do the job in the first place.

She got lit at home, didn't have the nerve to apologise to my face, went to my parents house instead.

She comes from a farm too.

exercise is the antidote

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No. The ordinary man works up to 5 days a week to support his/her own family and those of the unemployed and to prop up failed business'. I'm sure no farmers wives shop in Lidl, Aldi, Tesco, etc.....

Why not??What a silly comment... Most farmers partners also are in full time employment because even with SFP it isn't enough to keep there family going.

Damo810

Damo810 wrote: »

No, because we get **** all for what we produce so you can have cheap food..

Then WHY grow it?

rancher

Deleted User wrote: »

Then WHY grow it?

To draw the grants I suppose

Greengrass1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Then WHY grow it?

Because people like you don't understand how hard it is to make cheap food.
If you want to go on a rant about grants get onto all the people on the dole. There will be even more if all the farmers went on it and food will be a hell of a lot dearer too.

Greengrass1

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Because people like you don't understand how hard it is to make cheap food.
If you want to go on a rant about grants get onto all the people on the dole. There will be even more if all the farmers went on it and food will be a hell of a lot dearer too.

Is it possible to grow a crop and make a profit from it? This is a genuine question. How many acres of any crop would you need to grow to reach a break even point, taking potatoes and wheat as examples?

Greengrass1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is it possible to grow a crop and make a profit from it? This is a genuine question. How many acres of any crop would you need to grow to reach a break even point, taking potatoes and wheat as examples?

Not my area of expertise. I'm a dairy man