Temporary Closure of Section of Lough Atalia Road from 23rd March to May, 2015

Iwannahurl

Iwannahurl wrote: »

As John McEnroe might say, you can not be serious, Mrs OB. Merchants Road is a major thoroughfare for pedestrians and cyclists. There is only one pelican crossing, iirc, and there are numerous shops and offices along both sides. There are also two car parks and several other vehicular entrances/exits. It is also in the city centre, an environment more suited to 30 km/h than 60 km/h.

Ah come in 30kmh, it's bad enough you are complaining about the crazy low limit of 50kmh on the QCB being broken (twice that feels slow on the QCB) but now looking for a 30kmh limit in merchants road. 30kmh is hardly moving, pedestrians would be better not walking in front of cars if they don't want to be hit rather than trying to force cars to go at silly slow sleeps.

Iwannahurl

GalwayMagpie wrote: »

Maybe we should just execute people for road traffic offenses so all the cyclist can gaily go about doing as they please.

gordongekko wrote: »

Close all commercial activities so.

Laviski wrote: »

Don't like change? stay inside a 4x4, as everything around will need to adapt.

gordongekko wrote: »

Once again you are suggesting we close down all commercial activities in the city centre.

GalwayMagpie wrote: »

If the Luddites do ever come to power all motorised vehicular transport will be banned.

Lea Limited Schoolwork wrote: »

crazy low limit of 50kmh on the QCB being broken (twice than feels slow on the QCB) but now looking for a 30kmh limit in merchants road. 30kmh is hardly moving, pedestrians would be better not walking in front of cars if they don't want to be hit rather than trying to force cars to go at silly slow sleeps.

Mother Boards is rearing them yet.

GalwayMagpie wrote: »

All you are doing is getting your knickers in a twist because I did 60 in a 50 on Lough Atalia, and somehow that makes me greedy, selfish and various other pejorative adjectives.

No, by your own admission you drove at an average speed of 60 km/h along a loop which included Lough Atalia Road, the "hectic" Docks area, College Road and a number of junctions. The Traffic Corps were pulling speeders on LAR last night. Please tell me you were one of those ticketed.

Storm 10 wrote: »

New shipment of wind turbines just arrived in last night. more commercial traffic try to bring these from Foynes.

http://galwayships.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=2&pos=2

http://galwayships.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=2&pos=1

Thanks. Any idea when those are to be transported by road?

Storm 10

Iwannahurl;
Thanks. Any idea when those are to be transported by road?

Passed while ago and they are loading them onto very long trucks so I guess like the last time it will be during the night

More pictures here:
http://galwayships.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2

Mrs OBumble

Storm 10 wrote: »

Passed while ago and they are loading them onto very long trucks so I guess like the last time it will be during the night

Interestingly, at least one of the previous lots got taken the wrong way up Forster St (with a serious amount of Garda escort) at midnight-ish. Something to do with not being able to make a turn on LAR.

Iwannahurl wrote: »

As John McEnroe might say, you can not be serious, Mrs OB. Merchants Road is a major thoroughfare for pedestrians and cyclists. There is only one pelican crossing, iirc, and there are numerous shops and offices along both sides. There are also two car parks and several other vehicular entrances/exits. It is also in the city centre, an environment more suited to 30 km/h than 60 km/h.

Did you notice I said "in appropriate low-traffic conditions"? That includes low numbers of parked cars, so good visibility of what might do wrong. These conditions don't occur that often, and not when the shops/offices are open. And not in the lower part of the road either. But there are times. Whereas I would never feel comfortable doing that speed on College Rd.

GalwayMagpie

Iwannahurl wrote: »

The Traffic Corps were pulling speeders on LAR last night. Please tell me you were one of those ticketed.




Thanks. Any idea when those are to be transported by road?

I know this will come as great disappointment you that, but after 10 years of driving, I have no points on my license. If you go fast enough they can't catch you (that is a joke, just in-case the humorless among you get your knickers all knotted up )

Zzippy

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Interestingly, at least one of the previous lots got taken the wrong way up Forster St (with a serious amount of Garda escort) at midnight-ish. Something to do with not being able to make a turn on LAR.

I'm struggling to see how they could get to the Eyre Sq end of Forster St without having to negotiate some very tight turns that would be much tighter than getting on to LAR...

galwaycyclist

Storm 10 wrote: »

Some of you guys against HGV traffic in the City should visit Barcelona, one of the biggest commercial and cruise ports in Spain and its bang in the City. I know they have good roads over there but the amount of trucks and buses going into and out of the port was unreal.

Port of Barcelona
http://www.portdebarcelona.cat/en/web/el-port/transportes-y-accesos1

Land accesses

The Port of Barcelona is located right next to a node of land transport infrastructures. This node comprises a network of railways and motorways connecting the port to its hinterland.

The Barcelona ring road, or 'Ronda', passes right next to the port, providing immediate access to the road network.

Clearly HGV Traffic accessing the port of Barcelona has no need to use city centre roads with mixed traffic.

So your Barcelona example proves the point - a port handling heavy goods requires roads suitable for that traffic. Roads like Lough Atalia and College Rd and the other city roads that they link into - are clearly not appropriate routes for HGVs.

There is a large controversy at the moment about the Galway Outer Bypass proposals. Where in these proposals is there anything about providing an appropriate road link to the Galway harbour lands?

dilallio

Zzippy wrote: »

I'm struggling to see how they could get to the Eyre Sq end of Forster St without having to negotiate some very tight turns that would be much tighter than getting on to LAR...

From another thread from last year courtesy of poster ching:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88142813&postcount=17

Route from docks..
The trucks left the harbour hotel area, out under the railway bridge, out to the junction at college road, through them traffic lights on the right side of the road, staight through the junction at huntsman, continued up the monivea road, left at thermo king and over to the junction at the tuam road(trappers inn) right there to the lights at flemmings( tuam road junction). down the eastern bypass(bothar na threabh) in by terryland dunnes to the new junction at galway shopping centre, right here across the bridge to the roundabout at the back of the hospital, right here to the traffic lights at the westwood, out the n59 to the turn off for Barna, straight up that road down as far as the turn off just before Barna village, they then done a 3 point turn there and back upto the junction at barna golf club(paddys cross) where they turned left and on to the windfarm..

O.A.P

dilallio wrote: »

From another thread from last year courtesy of poster ching:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88142813&postcount=17

The last ones arrived when Lough Atalia road was closed at the bridge though,
So they must have had to get out of the docks via Dock rd , Merchants rd and Eyre square ?

Zzippy

O.A.P wrote: »

The last ones arrived when Lough Atalia road was closed at the bridge though,
So they must have had to get out of the docks via Dock rd , Merchants rd and Eyre square ?

I've seen them being transported and taking the whole of the junction at the Quincentenary Bridge/Headford Rd to get around the turn. I just can't see them getting around either of these corners here or here

ching

O.A.P wrote: »

The last ones arrived when Lough Atalia road was closed at the bridge though,
So they must have had to get out of the docks via Dock rd , Merchants rd and Eyre square ?

Regarding The wind turbines that were moved between December 2013 and April 2014, the blades were all moved through lough Atalia road, the tower sections were moved up around Merchants road, Eyre square, Forster street as these would not fit under the bridge..
This shipments of wind turbines for Galway wind Park are larger and will possibly be transported using a different type of trailer and now that the bridge problem is sorted out they will go by lough Atalia although I don't think they will be leaving the docks too soon as there is a lot of work still to be done on site..

Hope this helps :-)

O.A.P

Zzippy wrote: »

I've seen them being transported and taking the whole of the junction at the Quincentenary Bridge/Headford Rd to get around the turn. I just can't see them getting around either of these corners here or here

Ching has already explained what happened so I deleted my post

what_traffic

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Thanks. Any idea when those are to be transported by road?

Believe it will be during the night next week. At 04h00 - 06h00 in the morning, against the current flow of traffic on the Lough Atalia road!

what_traffic

dloob wrote: »

I've seen a date of June 24th for the port expansion decision.
I wonder what impact this one way system would have on the decision.

While I think the one way system isn't a bad idea overall, I think parts of college road are two narrow and twisty for frequent HGV traffic.

The Planning application for the Harbour Port Development was NOT based on the roads been one way. All the traffic models presented at the An Bord Plenala Oral Hearing showed the Lough Atalia was to be the main route. Not that that in itself is ideal as already pointed out.

ching

what_traffic wrote: »

Believe it will be during the night next week. At 04h00 - 06h00 in the morning, against the current flow of traffic on the Lough Atalia road!

Are you sure about this? These blades do not look like they will be going up the side road to this windfarm any time soon.. No foundations or bases in yet either..

snubbleste

Residents from the Lough Atalia area will stage a protest this afternoon outside City Hall over the Council’s failure to consult with them over the one-way system.
http://connachttribune.ie/residents-to-protest-at-city-hall-over-lough-atalia-203/

Wonder if City Hall workers will be there given the location? :cool:

what_traffic

ching wrote: »

Are you sure about this? These blades do not look like they will be going up the side road to this windfarm any time soon.. No foundations or bases in yet either..

No not sure at all. Was heard on the grapevine.

Iwannahurl

snubbleste wrote: »

Residents from the Lough Atalia area will stage a protest this afternoon outside City Hall over the Council’s failure to consult with them over the one-way system.
http://connachttribune.ie/residents-...gh-atalia-203/

Wonder if City Hall workers will be there given the location? :cool:

They look like they mean business. Printed placards and all.



https://twitter.com/CTribune/status/607925527631040512/photo/1

kippy

Iwannahurl wrote: »

They look like they mean business. Printed placards and all.



https://twitter.com/CTribune/status/607925527631040512/photo/1

They have a point to be fair.
I doubt there was any consultation done on the three week extension at all and it's not the first or the last time that the council don't take into account the impact on residents.

what_traffic

Was a piece about this on the local radio this morning? Heard at work that it will revert back? Cllr announced it on the airwaves. Is this true?
Looks like the local residents protest at City Hall yesterday at City Hall had the required effect!

kippy

what_traffic wrote: »

Was a piece about this on the local radio this morning? Heard at work that it will revert back? Cllr announced it on the airwaves. Is this true?
Looks like the local residents protest at City Hall yesterday at City Hall had the required effect!

If you read a few pages back in this thread you'll see that the only reason for the three week "extension" was in case there were issues found with the new road. It would be much easier to fix them if the one ways systems were still in place.
I don't think there was ever a "trial" of this that would have led to something changing permanently.

Mrs OBumble

Nice piece of political maneuvering:

Council extends one-way period for snagging, residents complain, council removes the one-way system (as originally planned),

Councillors get to look like they got the council to respond.
Council gets to look responsive.
Residents get safer streets
BnB owners get their customers back
Traffic planners get three weeks data to research a permanent one-way system on
Road-workers / engineers get snagging time.
Motorists return to the pre-project traffic conditions for this time of year.

Win / win / win / win / win / win / neutral. Not bad going, really.

Zzippy

Good few "suits" in hi-viz there yesterday doing what looked like a snag list inspection, would say they'll revert soon enough if it was given the all clear.

snubbleste

snubbleste wrote: »

There was a traffic corps bike at LoughAtalia/Fairgreen junction at 1000 this morning.

A garda car with the hairdryer at 1530 today

kippy

snubbleste wrote: »

A garda car with the hairdryer at 1530 today

There was a motorbolike there round 9.00 this morning also.

snubbleste

Most of the removed traffic islands are being re-instated.
Meanwhile businesses call for one-way traffic system on Lough Atalia & College Road to be retained

Iwannahurl

Perhaps they were lobbying the Council in recent weeks, hence City Hall's declaration that the one-way system had "merit".

Delicia

snubbleste wrote: »

Most of the removed traffic islands are being re-instated.
Meanwhile businesses call for one-way traffic system on Lough Atalia & College Road to be retained

Won't this be interesting? Who'll win this one - people or business/votes or money?

Iwannahurl

Seeing as how it's WB's 150th anniversary:

What need you, being come to sense,
But fumble in a greasy till
And add the halfpence to the pence...

As long as the tills are ringing, some people don't care. There was a Galway City Business Association rep on GBFM this morning, pushing for the gyratory to be retained, to speed even more traffic into a city centre which they have already said is congested.

I'd say the LAR/College Road residents are well able for them. They'd make any Councillor think twice about supporting it, which is perhaps why the GCBA had one of their own reps do the talking, for a change.

what_traffic

Latest update
http://www.galwaycity.ie/news/227/59/Lough-Atalia-Road-Traffic-Management-Plan-Update---Retaining-Right-Turn-Ban-at-Moneenageisha-Junction/
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On Friday night 19th June, Galway City Council shall be reinstating the two-way system on Lough Atalia Road, Fairgreen Road and College Road. The two-way system will be fully operational by 7am on Saturday morning and further works on the junction traffic islands will be completed during the following week.
However, it is proposed by Galway City Council to keep in place the ban on the two right turns at the Moneenageisha Junction for a further trial period for the duration of the Summer Months.
The two right turns that are currently banned are the right turn from the Dublin Road onto the Wellpark Road and the right turn from Moneenageisha Road onto College Road. This shall allow Galway City Council to further assess the impact of the banning of these right turns while the two-way system is in operation.
Galway City Council would like to thank everybody for their support and apologise for any inconvenience caused.
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