Autism cure published in the Irish Times

Stavros Murphy

Jernal wrote: »

Gleaning arsenic from water is a big problem in some third world countries. No idea how aluminium causes autism or dementia.

Au is gold btw.

Merlot moment.. Meant Al.

And the periodic chart was a few years back for me.

Stavros Murphy

Tordelback wrote: »

A marked improvement to... what? 50% less dementia by next Monday, that sort of thing?

Behaviour in children with autism, one of which I have, thankfully, mild. Not that you'd know, as he was sent to a private therapist who worked wonders and has a waiting list stretching to years and works extensively for the HSE and in Schools. He was also badly injured at birth and came within a whisker of dying, but there you go.

But regardless, You focus on the negatives - go you!

Tordelback

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

But regardless, You focus on the negatives - go you!

Not trying to be negative, just incredulous. Change mineral intake and marked improvements in autism and dementia within a week? You can see why I might be sceptical.

Stavros Murphy

Tordelback wrote: »

Not trying to be negative, just incredulous. Change mineral intake and marked improvements in autism and dementia within a week? You can see why I might be sceptical.

For sh1ts and giggles, start taking a Zinc supplement. If you don't feel calmer and steadier after a week, Lever brothers will give you your money back.

I'm going to guess you know why people take Iodine tablets if there is a risk of being exposed to certain types of radioactivity - it is absorbed by the same receptors in the Thyroid as radioactive iodine isotopes would be, so they block, to an extent, the uptake of radioactive isotopes by "being there first". Zinc and magnesium similarly block the uptake of Al and Pb by "being there already" - our bodies can't differentiate between the toxic metal compounds and the non-toxic. In the case of Dementia, it is too late once the damage from toxic heavy metals has occurred, hence the need to take precautions earlier in life. This one you avoid rather than cure. Aluminium cooking utensils are a cheap, but very dumb idea. I reckon in years to come, they will be regarded as being as dumb as using lead to make water pipes.

As another example, have a goo at some studies on juvenile behaviour since the elimination of lead from petrol - the reduction in airborn lead has brought about marked behavioural improvements. They banned it for a reason. If you disagree, would you be comfortable if I presented you with a glass of water for your child, and you have a list of ingredients running from soluble aluminium sulphate, Chlorine(a nerve toxin), Fluoride(a nerve toxin) and other equally delicious metal sulphates, sulphites and surfactants? Which is what we drink, day in and day out.

Wibbs

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Aluminium cooking utensils are a cheap, but very dumb idea. I reckon in years to come, they will be regarded as being as dumb as using lead to make water pipes.

I have to say I'm with you on this point SM.

The One Doctor

That journalist clearly hasn't done her homework or her duty to her son. Autistic symptoms can be dramatically reduced with synthetic oxytocin, not magic water!

Stavros Murphy

Wibbs wrote: »

I have to say I'm with you on this point SM.

Lead was used to make pipes for the same reason aluminium is used to make pots etc - it is ductile at low temperatures and pressures and so is cheap and easy to form, and it's a fantastic conductor of heat.. Cast iron used to be used, which is a much better option as flaking results in people absorbing harmless/beneficial iron. Flaking aluminium cooking pots result in us eating moreish aluminium, all nicely mashed up in our spuds. Aluminium is only a step up the "not too good for you Sue" tree from lead. How'd ya fancy a lead saucepan? I prefer stainless steel myself.

Stavros Murphy

The One Doctor wrote: »

That journalist clearly hasn't done her homework or her duty to her son. Autistic symptoms can be dramatically reduced masked with synthetic oxytocin, not magic water!

FYP

DublinWriter

Smidge wrote: »

Nobody "recovers" from Autism.
He either learned tricks and coping mechanisms and was given skills to "manage" his Autism or else he didnt have it in the first place.

Not correct.

Google Raun Kaufmann.

He suffered from extreme autism as a young child. He's now the CEO of the Son-Rise programme in America that his father founded.

I read somewhere that about 10% of children on the spectrum stop displaying symptoms by the time they hit puberty.

FullblownRose

It's possible (I think it's likely) that the boy would have gotten to the stage where he could sleep well at night and his challenging behaviours decreased during the day with or without the gaps diet. I don't think the improvements should be entirely attributed to the dietary changes.

MS.ing

Dave! wrote: »

We can't really take anything from her article, which is an anecdote given from one perspective and without any way to objectively verify anything that she said. For all we know the child has or had some other condition in addition to autism. She says of GPs, a paediatrician, a paediatric neurologist, a dietitian, a psychologist and behaviour analysts: "Some of them don’t seem to believe me when I say that Caoimh is in pain". Seems strange to me that a whole string of healthcare professionals would assess the child and come to a different conclusion to the mother. It's possible that they're all incompetent, or maybe there's something else at play and we're not getting the full picture. Is she (absent-mindedly) omitting some other relevant information, like maybe she has also continued with some other (conventional) treatment or therapy for the child, but did not factor that in when coming to the conclusion that her child has made a miraculous recovery? There are all sorts of biases that can skew people's perspectives and results, which is why anecdotal evidence is worth very little.

Anyway the article doesn't exactly ooze credibility when it makes reference to discredited ideas about a sudden explosion in autism, treatment from homeopaths, and fluoride toxicity from drinking water.

agreed but unfortunately there is a tendancy in science to mix up causeation and correlation (something which happened at the same TIME as something else but is not necessarily connected) this creates a chinese whisper sort of situation where if the new idea is taken as the way things should be now and are taken as gospel then most future related ideas will be built on false evidence* theories and treatments.



* because it was evidence at the time but has since been proven to be wrong by someone who came later and could prove their own different theory. a good example of this would be einsteins theories realising that the laws of physics he had been thought dont apply in space and explained why and more importantly prooved why (proofed)

I should point out at this point that I dont believe flouride in water as it is is bad, or that 9/11 was an inside job or autism is related to immunisations!

but fundamentally science has become the new god as in no argueing with it and a self regulating system is not going to throw out beliefs which have stood for centuries when a new guy comes along and says "no a tually youre wrong and heres why" like einstein did

even the subleties of the language their priests use is telling

"we know that....."

no you dont know, you believe that not know, you believe that based on your statistical analysis that something is true, very big difference Im afraid

occasionally you will hear one of them say "we believe that" , and that is refreshing to hear. it shows they are not stuck in that belief and are open to new information and being proved wrong (again proofed) . its the difference between having a god complex and being open to new changes of ideas and proofs should they arise and make their own proofs almost worthless.

Its great to read about or see someone who has spent even decades in the belief he had about his idea being adopted as 'the way things are and everyone act on the proofs I have found as if its gospel' realise they were wrong and be so humble open and excepting of the new idea proofed as now adapted as fact and which everything will be related to if new ideas are to challenge it

one thing we do know however is that science is a paradigme which changes over time

lou2015

As the mother of a child with ASD I have been reading about biomedical intervention and thought it was a brilliant article. At no point was the word 'cure' used in the article. It merely outlined improvements in the symptoms ie behaviours of the child. Therefore I am astounded to read the ignorance and negativity in some of the comments in this old thread and I truly feel sorry for people with so little hope they they would criticise it and dismiss it from such an ignorant perspective

rob316

lou2015 wrote: »

As the mother of a child with ASD I have been reading about and negativity in some of the comments in this old thread and I truly feel sorrybiomedical intervention and thought it was a brilliant article. At no point was the word 'cure' used in the article. It merely outlined improvements in the symptoms ie behaviours of the child. Therefore I am astounded to read the ignorance for people with so little hope they they would criticise it and dismiss it from such an ignorant perspective

Our kids are what they are, you just accept it. I'm not going to spend my years trying to change who he is to fit into a world his brain isn't programmed for.
My son can do things neuro typical kids around his age could only dream of but falls at some basic stuff and I will continue to help him everyway I can.

Dravokivich

lou2015 wrote: »

As the mother of a child with ASD I have been reading about biomedical intervention and thought it was a brilliant article. At no point was the word 'cure' used in the article. It merely outlined improvements in the symptoms ie behaviours of the child. Therefore I am astounded to read the ignorance and negativity in some of the comments in this old thread and I truly feel sorry for people with so little hope they they would criticise it and dismiss it from such an ignorant perspective

It sounds to me, like you need to keep focused on your child for who they are, more so then trying to find the ultimate answer for them.

The article cited in the OP is all just wishy washy stuff. Just because the "intentions" of the wishy washy stuff may be well meaning and "hopefully" beneficial to your child, doesn't mean the foolishness of the wishy washy stuff is excused from the criticism it so rightly deserves.