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Autism cure published in the Irish Times

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  • #32
    Aspiring
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    Smidge wrote: »
    Nobody "recovers" from Autism.
    He either learned tricks and coping mechanisms and was given skills to "manage" his Autism or else he didnt have it in the first place.

    He did have it, and I don't see how tricks or coping mechanisms can result in a complete change of personality and learning abilities. He struggled to learn anything for years throughout primary school, now he's doing all honours at secondary school, is that a 'trick'?


  • #33
    ballsymchugh
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    Aspiring wrote: »
    He did have it, and I don't see how tricks or coping mechanisms can result in a complete change of personality and learning abilities. He struggled to learn anything for years throughout primary school, now he's doing all honours at secondary school, is that a 'trick'?

    i deal with plenty of autistic kids where i work, and noticed a complete change in temperament as they get older. it's a case of learning to deal with it. once they are accustomed to their surroundings and the goings on, then it can be taken in their stride.


  • #34
    Smidge
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    Aspiring wrote: »
    He did have it, and I don't see how tricks or coping mechanisms can result in a complete change of personality and learning abilities. He struggled to learn anything for years throughout primary school, now he's doing all honours at secondary school, is that a 'trick'?

    You said he had severe autism.
    That may just have been your opinion of him, not his actual diagnosis as someone with severe autism may not be able to talk, would function very poorly in social situations(tbh I could go on and on).
    People with autism cannot have a "complete change of personality".
    It just doesn't happen, I'm afraid.

    So either he was mild to moderately Autistic and through therapies(ot/slt/pt as well as techniques used by a lot of asd people "tricks" if you will)now appears to be higher functioning.


  • #35
    Aspiring
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    Well whatever the case may be, I'm just happy he seems to enjoy life now more, was just shocked at the time to see such a sudden (apparent) change in a small space of time, so I thought I'd enquire as to what the story was.

    Thanks for the responses.


  • #36
    rob316
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    Aspiring wrote: »
    He did have it, and I don't see how tricks or coping mechanisms can result in a complete change of personality and learning abilities. He struggled to learn anything for years throughout primary school, now he's doing all honours at secondary school, is that a 'trick'?

    Every child is different, some children will respond differently to teaching.
    A child diagnosed with autism at 3 (generally the earliest age it can be diagnosed) has a much greater chance of adapting to mainstream society than a child diagnosed at 7. The age 3 to 6 are the most important in a childs development especially that of an autistic child.

    I suppose the tough thing for a parent of an autistic child is wondering about the future, you hear about stories of children no longer been on the spectrum in the later years but it so rare.

    You could put 10 autistic children in a room and everyone would be different, some could have perfect speech, some not. Some could have really poor social skills, some might not.


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  • #37
    joe swanson
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    Have a look at the freeman thread in legal discussion. There is a group of freemen/wacko's staging a comedy night to raise funds for the unfortunate child.

    Its very sad what the parents have to deal with and i can understand they will look for answers where they can but the stuff espoused by the freemen/wackos is dangerous particularly there views on vaccination.

    Its views like this that have caused outbreaks (fatal) of measles etc in the uk because of these views.


  • #38
    Annasopra
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    More flouride nonsense..

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #39
    Capt'n Midnight
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    ballsymchugh wrote: »
    a GP who is also a homeopath?? how can that work? it's completely incompatible. it's time that 'Bad Science' became a book that first year med students should read.
    people also need to be wary on the use of the word 'nutritionist' too.
    The weird thing is that a doctor can't prescribe placebos. Even though they have been proven to work.


  • #40
    Adamantium
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    rob316 wrote: »
    I have a son with autism and I hate this cure word. There is no cure its not a disease or sickness, these kids are just wired differently and there is no one to blame, they are just born with it.
    Amazing children who just see the world a bit different.


    I agree and there are many brilliant people who haven't been diagonosed with Autism and Asperger's alike, who manage quite well and you wouldn't even necessarily know it at first glance.

    Example:

    It's well speculated that George Lucas has some low level form of Asperger's or Autism, but that didn't stop him from making his films.

    In fact it's probably the reason he didn't stop and why his work was unique, the very thing that him made look differently at the world in ways others couldn't understand and others would sit in awe and gawk at his work, at what seemed obvious and normal to him.

    You can see it in how he handles people, they guy's mind is working at levels beyond him and he often has trouble relating his ideas to other people


  • #41
    Akrasia
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    Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride is promoted throughout the article, she invented a syndrome 'GAPS' syndrome as 'the cause of what ails ya' and then invented a treatment as 'the cure for what ails ya'

    She has done no clinical trials to show either that GAPS is a real condition, or that the GAPS diet is either safe or effective

    She is yet another charlatan and woo merchant that is blindly trumpeted in the 'health and lifestyle' section of a newspaper.

    I feckin hate this ****e, 90% of the readers of the lifestyle section are not equipped to properly critically assess the claims in this article and they will believe it because they trust that the Irish times has done some basic fact checking and verification before it was published.
    Here's a sceptical view of the GAPS diet from Science based medicine
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/gaps-diet/

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • #42
    seamus
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    This kind of nonsense really is on the rise, fuelled by "nutritionists" and other quacks.

    It's the modern version of the moonshine elixir, the cure for all ills.

    My wife came home worried last night because a colleague had been talking to a nutritionist who told her about all these various foods that "cause cancer", that "milk isn't really milk anymore, it's all processed", and other various forms of nonsense. The woman's poor toddler now gets kale, avocado and wheatgrass smoothies for breakfast, but thankfully he appears to like it.

    So I actually got to use the word "toothiologist" when explaining to my wife why this woman had been filled full of nonsense by this quack and to watch out for red flags - anyone who claims that "food X causes major illness Y" is a quack and should be disregarded out of hand unless they can provide proper evidence.


  • #43
    strandroad
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    Here's an earlier article (printed a year and a half ago) in which the parents explain the boy's turnaround with behavioural therapy and getting an assistant dog for him. Not a word about fluoride, homeopathy or diet.
    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/health/a-boys-best-friend-26652957.html

    I'm amazed the Irish Times printed it, with all the pseudoscience attached. It will only mess with other parents' heads now.


  • #44
    [Deleted User]
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    From the letters section..

    http://www.irishtimes.com/debate/letters/autism-and-genetics-1.1731004


  • #45
    Wotsername
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    I'd like to recommend a book. I really don't want to step on any ones toes here, So let me be clear from the outset. I know very, very little about autism.
    I'm sure you've all probably read more than you can remember on the subject. However, I would still recommend, that anyone who hasn't already read "The reason I jump" by Naoki Higashida, do so, or get it for a friend. A very simple but insightful book, written by a lovely, bright, artistic, intelligent, 13yr old Japanese boy who has autism. Having read it, I feel as though I have a chink more understanding.:)


  • #46
    D1stant
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride is promoted throughout the article, she invented a syndrome 'GAPS' syndrome as 'the cause of what ails ya' and then invented a treatment as 'the cure for what ails ya'

    She has done no clinical trials to show either that GAPS is a real condition, or that the GAPS diet is either safe or effective

    She is yet another charlatan and woo merchant that is blindly trumpeted in the 'health and lifestyle' section of a newspaper.

    I feckin hate this ****e, 90% of the readers of the lifestyle section are not equipped to properly critically assess the claims in this article and they will believe it because they trust that the Irish times has done some basic fact checking and verification before it was published.
    Here's a sceptical view of the GAPS diet from Science based medicine
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/gaps-diet/

    Bang on.

    "Autism" + "cure" = Lots of money * parental guilt


  • #47
    kunst nugget
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    Wotsername wrote: »
    I'd like to recommend a book. I really don't want to step on any ones toes here, So let me be clear from the outset. I know very, very little about autism.
    I'm sure you've all probably read more than you can remember on the subject. However, I would still recommend, that anyone who hasn't already read "The reason I jump" by Naoki Higashida, do so, or get it for a friend. A very simple but insightful book, written by a lovely, bright, artistic, intelligent, 13yr old Japanese boy who has autism. Having read it, I feel as though I have a chink more understanding.:)

    Are chinks not Chinese? I think the word you were looking for was Jap…


  • #48
    Muise...
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Are chinks not Chinese? I think the word you were looking for was Jap…

    easy mistake to make - the Japs' eyes look very similar.


  • #49
    kunst nugget
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    mhge wrote: »
    Here's an earlier article (printed a year and a half ago) in which the parents explain the boy's turnaround with behavioural therapy and getting an assistant dog for him. Not a word about fluoride, homeopathy or diet.
    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/health/a-boys-best-friend-26652957.html

    I'm amazed the Irish Times printed it, with all the pseudoscience attached. It will only mess with other parents' heads now.

    I wonder what she'll trot out next year…


  • #50
    Muise...
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    I wonder what she'll trot out next year…

    has she had a good go at vaccinations yet?


  • #51
    Wotsername
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Are chinks not Chinese? I think the word you were looking for was Jap…

    Yes, Chink was an unfortunate choice of word, Perhaps 'a modicum of understanding' would have been better?
    Still, a good book for someone who knows nothing about it. I'd like to see stuff like this on the syllabus, Then again, I'd also like to win the lotto.


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  • #52
    kunst nugget
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    Just seen this post in the freeman megamerge thread. She seems to be deep in with a lot of flaky people:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89473355&postcount=2437
    STAND UP FOR HUMANITY!
    All proceeds go to The Caoimh Connolly Trust

    The participants are:

    Adrienne Murphy: Hot Press journalist and autism activist
    Thomas Sheridan: artist and author of Puzzling People: The Labyrinth of the Psychopath
    Aisling C FitzGibbon: aka The Girl Against Fluoride
    Kevin Flanagan / Tír Na Saor: Land of the Free: law + freedom
    Tony Rochford: hunger strike
    Cathie Doherty: pro-choice activist
    Gerry Bourke: Corrib local farmer
    Uisce: police brutality


  • #53
    ballsymchugh
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Just seen this post in the freeman megamerge thread. She seems to be deep in with a lot of flaky people

    uisce doesn't have a surname. it's how she rolls. kinda like cher.


  • #54
    Muise...
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Just seen this post in the freeman megamerge thread. She seems to be deep in with a lot of flaky people:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89473355&postcount=2437

    I'd nearly go to hear a reprise of this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iRCD54tWBQ


  • #55
    WilyCoyote
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/05/19/medco-children-idUSN1924289520100519

    TBH at this stage you have to admit that a large section of US "healthcare" is very for profit with insane costs and a fondness of diagnosing

    Over diagnosis is rampant here as the three culprits - Pharmas, Insurers and Hospital bean counters - conspire to collect the dollars and the kudos. Quite a lot of it is about the bottom line. A recent case highlights this. An elderly woman was deemed fit by the doctor and was to be discharged on a Tuesday ........ the Hospital Manager instructed that a few more procedures should be carried out and the discharge date shifted to Friday.


  • #56
    Lucyfur
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    rob316 wrote: »
    I have a son with autism and I hate this cure word. There is no cure its not a disease or sickness, these kids are just wired differently and there is no one to blame, they are just born with it.
    Amazing children who just see the world a bit different.

    Couldn't agree more. I love the way my lad sees things :)

    Now, I'll admit, I did the dairy/wheat/gluten free diet. I was at my wits end and anything was worth a try. Didn't make a jot of difference. But, zinc and magnesium supplements did. Not miraculously, but after maybe 3 months on them, he was calmer, happier, more focused.

    I don't believe in a cure either and to be honest, if there was one, I doubt I'd put my son forward for it. He's pretty amazing just the way he is. We've done lots to help him, therapeutic listening, therapeutic horse riding, left brain/right brain computer programs, endless SLT, OT, physio...all of it has helped him massively, but as for a cure? Nah, we're great as we are :D


  • #57
    Mam of 4
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    Lucyfur wrote: »
    Couldn't agree more. I love the way my lad sees things :)

    Now, I'll admit, I did the dairy/wheat/gluten free diet. I was at my wits end and anything was worth a try. Didn't make a jot of difference. But, zinc and magnesium supplements did. Not miraculously, but after maybe 3 months on them, he was calmer, happier, more focused.

    I don't believe in a cure either and to be honest, if there was one, I doubt I'd put my son forward for it. He's pretty amazing just the way he is. We've done lots to help him, therapeutic listening, therapeutic horse riding, left brain/right brain computer programs, endless SLT, OT, physio...all of it has helped him massively, but as for a cure? Nah, we're great as we are :D


    +100 !!

    My son who is 20, has autism, high functioning as they call it , told me if they had a cure for autism he wouldn't go for it as it be denying who he is and that he would be a totally different person and would have to relearn the way he sees things in life again..

    I wouldn't change him for anything in the world, and like you and other parents, our kids can teach us a lot about the way we see things in life :)


  • #58
    D1stant
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    Muise... wrote: »
    I'd nearly go to hear a reprise of this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iRCD54tWBQ

    That guy sets a new level of Bull****. He is too good for politics


  • #59
    Stavros Murphy
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    They add aluminium sulphate into the water by the tanker-full to improve clarity. That ruins peoples health. I have a mate who does the haulage for this - he was actually embarrassed when I asked him WTF he was at. Even he knows its a shyte thing to be doing. Aluminum is severely detrimental to mental capacity and normality, it causes autism in the young and dementia in the old. Bite me if you care to disagree. I was sickened when I discovered this, but no-one gives two hoots. I paid out thousands to have a well drilled and a pump installed after I realised this.

    Anyone inclined to say "conspiracy forum ====>" - I say V. And as for Mg and Zn supplements, they're the good stuff, they counteract both Pb and Au absorption in the body as they interface with the same receptors. But, if the Au wasn't there to be absorbed in the first place, you wouldn't need the Zn or Mg, so you're playing catch up really. Eliminate the Au intake and increase the Mg and Zn and you'll see a marked improvement within a week. But then, why mind me, I'm a window licker.


  • #60
    Turtwig
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    Gleaning arsenic from water is a big problem in some third world countries. No idea how aluminium causes autism or dementia.

    Au is gold btw.


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  • #61
    Tordelback
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    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    Eliminate the Au intake and increase the Mg and Zn and you'll see a marked improvement within a week.

    A marked improvement to... what? 50% less dementia by next Monday, that sort of thing?


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