Robots will take our jobs

The Antigay

I can't believe no-one's talking about this here. Bill Gates has predicted that many workers will be replaced by software and robots over the next few decades.

This could be the beginning of a new age in which all the labour needed to run civilisation is done by machines and the government provides us all with a basic income leaving us free to pursue our interests like in Star Trek or something. Or it could lead to a new era of mass unemployment and people struggling to survive. Let's hope politicians make the right decisions and adapt our economy before too many people suffer.

http://bgr.com/2014/03/14/bill-gates-interview-robots/

darkpagandeath

The Antigay wrote: »

I can't believe no-one's talking about this here. Bill Gates has predicted that many workers will be replaced by software and robots over the next few decades.

This could be the beginning of a new age in which all the labour needed to run civilisation is done by machines and the government provides us all with a basic income leaving us free to pursue our interests like in Star Trek or something. Or it could lead to a new era of mass unemployment and people struggling to survive. Let's hope politicians make the right decisions and adapt our economy before too many people suffer.

http://bgr.com/2014/03/14/bill-gates-interview-robots/

Sure if that decision lines their own pockets and their golden circle with cash.

Birneybau

What if they make robot politicians?!?!

The Antigay

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Sure if that decision lines their own pockets and their golden circle with cash.

Greed might become a thing of the past.

Banjo String

So I can sit on my hairy backside on a Monday morning, drinking coke and eating donuts and chips watching telly while C3P0 does my 9-5 job?



There's a problem here how?

Stavros Murphy

They can have it. Here's me shovel, If ye need me, I'll be on the beach.

Sulla Felix

They can fscking have mine.

Birneybau

Banjo String wrote: »

So I can sit on my hairy backside on a Monday morning, drinking coke and eating donuts and chips watching telly while C3P0 does my 9-5 job?



There's a problem here how?

You work in the protocol sector?

Well, you won't be paid for his work...

Banjo String

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

They can have it. Here's me shovel, If ye need me, I'll be on the beach.

Dont forget it if you want to go to work. :pac:

Banjo String

Birneybau wrote: »

You work in the protocol sector?

Well, you won't be paid for his work...

I will. I'm gonna be a lord of the robots kinda Slave master.

Donkey Oaty

Can't remember which futurologist said it or the exact wording, but it was something like this:

We wanted flying cars by now, and instead they gave us 140 characters.

123balltv

Bloody robots Joe I got served by one the other day very rude

Why did the robot go back to robot school?
Granny: Tell me.
Joe: Because his skills were getting a little rusty!

Starscream25

I for one will welcome our new robotic overlords

The Antigay

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Can't remember which futurologist said it or the exact wording, but it was something like this:

The thing is that we will eventually have flying cars and it's looking like we're getting close now.

sillyoulfool

I suppose they will be forrin robots, dey tuk r jobs!:rolleyes:

Birneybau

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Can't remember which futurologist said it or the exact wording, but it was something like this:

But WHAT characters!

Starscream25

The Antigay wrote: »

The thing is that we will eventually have flying cars and it's looking like we're getting close now.

Lol

Slutmonkey57b

What jobs?

The Antigay

Starscream25 wrote: »

Lol

The metaphor went right over your head LOL.

yawhat!

zenno

Now that would be a dream come through. The robots can all plod off to jobsbridge or TUS, and we can live happily ever after in peace. 1 pint of Guinness there please mister robot, thanks.

Soon. It's coming soon I hope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S4ZPvr6ry4

doolox

There will probably be a greater emphasis on personal services, entertainments etc.
Initially the conditions of employment in these will be substandard, some very substandard until people organise and fight back in some yet unknown way but eventually most people will be sorted out into a way of life and living we cannot imagine today.
The era of the standard 40hr week,48 week year and 40 yr employment with one sector or one boss is long gone.

People will have to have several jobs and maybe even several concurrent engagements with several different bosses in order to make a decent living.

Pensions, health insurance etc will become a thing of the past unless enforced and handled by the state. People may not be able to earn enough money to supply them out of their own resources and may have to work in some part-time capacity until or very near death. The days of a long term retirement
and high wages for the middle class as we knew it are over. People will either be very rich or relatively poor.

The Antigay

doolox wrote: »

People will move to where they are needed.

But eventually there won't be enough places that need people any more. When most of the work to run society is done by machines what will people do to earn a living? The economic system will have to change into something very different to what it is now. Instead of having to fight to acquire money to survive the government could provide everyone with a basic guaranteed income and anything you manage to earn on top of that will be a bonus.

Basically, we could all become welfare recipients of the wealth created by the machines.

ScumLord

Robots are expensive and difficult to make do what you want to do. It can take years to develop a robotic system, which is a factory floor full of machines programed to perform specific actions.

Robots still need us to build them and tell them what to do and correct them when they go wrong (which is often a lot). They need constant maintenance from humans, if they go off by a thousands of a millimeter in one place they can ruin an entire production run without any clue that their even doing something wrong.

Then of course once you have your robotic factory setup if anything changes you have to start at square one designing a new system.

Robots have their place but they're no replacement for a human. Humans are still the most advanced machine on the factory floor. Really it's a waste of resources having them do work a robot can do more than a travesty that they lose their mundane jobs to a robot.

kneemos

Going on about this since the sixties.Still not a robot worth a Shoite.

The Antigay

ScumLord wrote: »

Robots are expensive and difficult to make do what you want to do...

No, no, no. It might not be long before robots can do most of the things people can do and much more cheaply too. So what are we to do with the millions of unemployed they create???

Stavros Murphy

I'll be the lad in the grubby overalls, in to service the robot...I smell dorrar..

shruikan2553

As an engineer I approve. I wonder how much one can be paid for taking care of the robots.

secman

Hope the one replacing me is a good looking
Ride

The Backwards Man

Bring it on, Johnny5.

Lando Griffin

If they make a Robot that can go collect my dole, a 6 pack of Dutchie and put a tenner on the GGs leaving me free to lye in bed a little later then how can that be bad?

Ruu

Leave us alone! :mad:

REXER

Birneybau wrote: »

What if they make robot politicians?!?!

No more corruption and buying votes then!

Davarus Walrus

Andrew McAfee, a director at MIT speaks about this quite a bit. Very interesting. He's here at a TED talk giving an overview. Yes, but don't worry is the crux of his argument.

Senecio

I spent 8 hours yesterday getting from Dublin to Lyon via Geneva because of French ATC strikes. Spent 9 Hrs in a pointless meeting today. Tomorrow I have to spend 6+ hrs coming home after getting out of bed at 4am and I have conference calls through to 11pm once I get back.

When can the robots start?

Mr. G

I don't approve.

For the sake of humanity and physiological reasons I think robots should not replace human workers. I am all for the use of IT, but robots is a step too far.

For instance, if my passport application in the passport office in Cork gets lost, I don't want to speak to a robot.

The use of controlled robots in key-hole surgery I approve of.

Where they replace workers in ordinary jobs, that's a no no. Just no.

There would not be as much to do. You can get bored pretty quickly after a few years out of a job.

I prefer it the way it is. That's my 2c anyway

The Antigay

Mr. G wrote: »

I don't approve.

I prefer it the way it is. That's my 2c anyway

It's gonna change and we can't prevent it.

zenno

Mr. G wrote: »

I don't approve.

For the sake of humanity and physiological reasons I think robots should not replace human workers. I am all for the use of IT, but robots is a step too far.

For instance, if my passport application in the passport office in Cork gets lost, I don't want to speak to a robot.

The use of controlled robots in key-hole surgery I approve of.

Where they replace workers in ordinary jobs, that's a no no. Just no.

There would not be as much to do. You can get bored pretty quickly after a few years out of a job.

I prefer it the way it is. That's my 2c anyway

Many folk have tons of hobbies they love doing, so I'd say they would be very happy to spend all their free time doing what they really love doing, as most people now can't find enough time to do the things they love because of so many hours working.

If a person is just put on this earth to work till they die, then that's a very boring thing to think about. More time for myself is way better without doubt.

The Antigay

zenno wrote: »

Many folk have tons of hobbies they love doing, so I'd say they would be very happy to spend all their free time doing what they really love doing, as most people now can't find enough time to do the things they love because of so many hours working.

Yeah, it wouldn't be like being unemployed but like being a carefree kid.

bur

I just hope when i get hooked up to the Marix it's the one that lets me learn kung-fu.

Sir Arthur Daley

A Factory i do maintenance in bought in 4 Robot welders, 8 people lost their jobs, Robots dont have any sick head on a monday morning, dont take 20 fag breaks in the day or dont take offence to being called a Scab.

ScumLord

The Antigay wrote: »

No, no, no. It might not be long before robots can do most of the things people can do and much more cheaply too. So what are we to do with the millions of unemployed they create???

It's a bit off yet. Even if they build a robot that could physically move like a human building in human intuition which is what our big advantage is is much more difficult.

Mr. G wrote: »

For instance, if my passport application in the passport office in Cork gets lost, I don't want to speak to a robot.

The use of controlled robots in key-hole surgery I approve of.

You don't trust a robot to file your passport papers correctly but you do trust them to open you up? Robots would be ideal for managing the kind of paper work that takes place at passport office, they wouldn't get bored, they'd have a personal record of what they did, you could monitor what they do and make improvements at a national level. Doctors need to have experience and can make jumps of logic that computers can't. If a computer ran into a problem during your surgery it could freeze, or worse, it could could chose the wrong pre-programed procedure to attempt to fix the mistake.

Where they replace workers in ordinary jobs, that's a no no. Just no.

Why? Robots are ideal for mundane work. We have companies that pay it's CEO €5,000 a week and a guy sweeping the floors on €300 but they're essentially the same machine. It's like using a tractor to do everything from working the fields to bringing sick people to the hospital.

There would not be as much to do. You can get bored pretty quickly after a few years out of a job.

There's plenty people could be doing if free from mundane jobs that serve no purpose. We have people manufacturing useless and erelivant products to fill up a market place. Our need for everyone to have a job means we're producing so much pointless crap.

I prefer it the way it is. That's my 2c anyway

It's hard to say that when you don't know what it would really be like.

The Antigay

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

Yes, but don't worry is the crux of his argument.

Great video but he doesn't say anything about what we're gioing to do with all those unemployed. Do we throw them on the scrapheap and chuck them a few crumbs to eat or do we share the wealth and provide them with a decent income. The latter is clearly the right thing to do but with people's current attitudes towards the unemployed the former is most likely to happen.

When machines take over much of the labour market we'll need to get rid of this idea that everybody has to pay their way. We should all be able to benefit from the wealth generated by technology.

biko

I hear they use foreign robots too.

ScumLord

The Antigay wrote: »

Great video but he doesn't say anything about what we're gioing to do with all those unemployed.

The only way the human species has a future is by moving into space. There's a limit to what we can do here.

zenno

The Antigay wrote: »

But eventually there won't be enough places that need people any more. When most of the work to run society is done by machines what will people do to earn a living? The economic system will have to change into something very different to what it is now. Instead of having to fight to acquire money to survive the government could provide everyone with a basic guaranteed income and anything you manage to earn on top of that will be a bonus.

Basically, we could all become welfare recipients of the wealth created by the machines.

In this scenario as you mentioned, That could work.
the money saved from not having to pay wages to robots would be enormous. More money in the economy.

The Antigay

ScumLord wrote: »

...building in human intuition which is what our big advantage is is much more difficult.

It's getting closer everyday and might be here sooner than you'd think. Pattern recognition software is getting more and more powerful at a exponential rate.

SilverScreen

shruikan2553 wrote: »

As an engineer I approve. I wonder how much one can be paid for taking care of the robots.

They'll develop robots to look after the robots.

I reckon in the future a lot of large companies will only consist of an expensive super-computer in a room, and a man and his dog. Who can guess what the man and his dog is for?

Joe prim

SilverScreen wrote: »

They'll develop robots to look after the robots.

I reckon in the future a lot of large companies will only consist of an expensive super-computer in a room, and a man and his dog. Who can guess what the man and his dog is for?

The crack?

The Antigay

The man fukks the dog, amirite?

SilverScreen

Joe prim wrote: »

The crack?

The dog will be there to guard the computer and to stop people from stealing it. The man will be there to feed the dog,